Bellator 193 averages 470k

[AGEZ909]

MMA’s shitty numbers continue.

 

[CC27]

MMA has def lost viewers the last year, everything is down. Bellator's big events are down, small events are lower, UFC on Fox shows are lowest they've been, PPV prelims are down, FN etc.

 

[CC27]

Hard to even offer an answer of what they can do.

 

[AGEZ909]

Hard to even offer an answer of what they can do.

Hate to constantly repeat myself, but I feel like streaming is taking a more and more prominent toll on cable. More and more people are electing to stream content as opposed to good old fashioned cable. I mean Netflix announced a block buster 4th quarter for 2017 from what I’ve read. Added something like 8m new subscribers.

Also, Bellator launched their new app where you could stream through there as well. Not say a ton of people are streaming through the app, but it can only hurt tv numbers.

 

[AGEZ909]

Don’t think this is just an mma things though. I’ve been reading that tv numbers are down across the board with few exceptions. Grammys were down 24% this year.

NFLs numbers are down.

One could cry backlash due to the sjw and kneeling shit, but there is still a concerning trend for cable imo.

Just throwing it out there, but it could be that mma(at least in North America) still lives and dies by the ufc. If ufc does bad, mma does bad. If ufc does well, mma does well.

 

[Falconkick]

Is the push of womans MMA a factor would you guys say?

 

[Bubba32]

Is the push of womans MMA a factor would you guys say?

I would say Coker has made bellator irrelevant.

Before with the tournaments the product was atleast relevant but now who wants to spend their friday nights watching joe shmo vs joe shmo.

besides the few cricus and novelty fights whats the point of watching bellator?

 

[Bubba32]

all these shows doing under 500k has to be concerning.

Why are they doing these shitty events? nobody wins. The network, the promotion, the fans. nobody wins.

cut it down to 7 or 8 events and bellator could become must see.

 

[Hardcore MMA]

Hate to constantly repeat myself, but I feel like streaming is taking a more and more prominent toll on cable. More and more people are electing to stream content as opposed to good old fashioned cable. I mean Netflix announced a block buster 4th quarter for 2017 from what I’ve read. Added something like 8m new subscribers.

Also, Bellator launched their new app where you could stream through there as well. Not say a ton of people are streaming through the app, but it can only hurt tv numbers.

Yup, that's the big issue. TV is being relaced by streaming. Also, illegal stream numbers aren't traceable, so it's hard to tell how those numbers look.

 

[mime]

Hate to constantly repeat myself, but I feel like streaming is taking a more and more prominent toll on cable. More and more people are electing to stream content as opposed to good old fashioned cable. I mean Netflix announced a block buster 4th quarter for 2017 from what I’ve read. Added something like 8m new subscribers.

Also, Bellator launched their new app where you could stream through there as well. Not say a ton of people are streaming through the app, but it can only hurt tv numbers.

yeah i streamed it through paramount. what the tv ratings still can be used for while misleading, is as a comparison to other tv ratings like against the UFC or against other sports. as a whole though they shouldn't have as much weight as they used to.

 

[Phrozenspite]

Yup, that's the big issue. TV is being relaced by streaming. Also, illegal stream numbers aren't traceable, so it's hard to tell how those numbers look.

yeah. I'm curious what the numbers would look like if they had a way to factor in legal and illegal streams rather than the standard cable estimates based on sample households

 

[skylolow]

It's just the evolution of any sport and your seeing it in MMA right now.

The shock and awe of MMA has worn off. Two guys fighting in a cage doesn't just draw in people regardless. The fans of the sport and even fringe fans have been educated over the years to what they are watching. Simply put, fans aren't tuning in to crap cards anymore like they may have in the past just because its the UFC or whatever. They become educated enough to know what the quality/name value of what they are watching. Put on a so-so card on paper and it will fail just like the last UFC FOX event or just like the last Bellator card. The NFL see's this weekly with its match ups.

Hopefully with the new UFC TV deal it changes the quality of cards we have been getting. Hopefully, Bellator figures out they don't need to try to run 20 shows a year just because. In Bellator's case if they want that many cards then reorganize yourself and give the fans 10 to 12 good stacked events and run other 10 to 12 events or whatever as like a Bellator Challengers series. Separate the two products on some level.

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Hate to constantly repeat myself, but I feel like streaming is taking a more and more prominent toll on cable. More and more people are electing to stream content as opposed to good old fashioned cable. I mean Netflix announced a block buster 4th quarter for 2017 from what I’ve read. Added something like 8m new subscribers.

Also, Bellator launched their new app where you could stream through there as well. Not say a ton of people are streaming through the app, but it can only hurt tv numbers.

I also would like to see an MMA org go on Netflix or Amazon Prime. The future is in a product like Sling TV, Sony, or Direct TV streaming. When they offer smaller, more selectable packages cable will be cut as we know it. And once fiber optic and 5G is available to all, its the final nail in cable's coffin. They can go join Blockbuster.

 

[AGEZ909]

It's just the evolution of any sport and your seeing it in MMA right now.

The shock and awe of MMA has worn off. Two guys fighting in a cage doesn't just draw in people regardless. The fans of the sport and even fringe fans have been educated over the years to what they are watching. Simply put, fans aren't tuning in to crap cards anymore like they may have in the past just because its the UFC or whatever. They become educated enough to know what the quality/name value of what they are watching. Put on a so-so card on paper and it will fail just like the last UFC FOX event or just like the last Bellator card. The NFL see's this weekly with its match ups.

Hopefully with the new UFC TV deal it changes the quality of cards we have been getting. Hopefully, Bellator figures out they don't need to try to run 20 shows a year just because. In Bellator's case if they want that many cards then reorganize yourself and give the fans 10 to 12 good stacked events and run other 10 to 12 events or whatever as like a Bellator Challengers series. Separate the two products on some level.

I may be in the minority, but i dont mind smaller cards with names an org attempts an org attempts to build up. think you are partially right. Streaming is gaining on on tv. people arent slaves to their tv they way it was in the past. a couple of decades ago if you missed your favorite show, sorry, you missed it. now, people could watch anything and everything on demand. you dont even need to be at home anymore. this is one of many things streams have over cable. if youre watching content through youtube tv, sling, netflix,you could be watching on your phone from where ever you are. you dont have this luxury, if you are watching through cable.

this is the story i keep mentioning

record breaking numbers from netflix. adding a total of 8.33m new subscribers in spite of the fact that they raised prices on nearly all of their packages.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/danafe...-in-2017-exceeds-11b-in-revenue/#46a8df9288eb

 

[AGEZ909]

I also would like to see an MMA org go on Netflix or Amazon Prime. The future is in a product like Sling TV, Sony, or Direct TV streaming. When they offer smaller, more selectable packages cable will be cut as we know it. And once fiber optic and 5G is available to all, its the final nail in cable's coffin. They can go join Blockbuster.

YUP, cant deny Streaming presence anymore.

i was actually looking into youtube tv, but they didnt seem to have paramount on there. i would love to buy a package that included fox and paramount, but idk if that will happen.

 

[Treeloy]

I would say Coker has made bellator irrelevant.

Before with the tournaments the product was atleast relevant but now who wants to spend their friday nights watching joe shmo vs joe shmo.

besides the few cricus and novelty fights whats the point of watching bellator?

Huh? Bellator is better than ever.

Bringing in old farts like Rampage/Sonnen/Fedor etc is good for business. You have recognizable names that can attract attention.

You need these old guys to bring attention while you build up young stars like Pico and sign current stars like Rory and Moose etc.

After they build up the roster they wont have to rely on these old guys anymore.

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

YUP, cant deny Streaming presence anymore.

i was actually looking into youtube tv, but they didnt seem to have paramount on there. i would love to buy a package that included fox and paramount, but idk if that will happen.

Sling TV has Paramount. You can pay $20 or $25 for their base packages then another $5 for Paramount which comes with some bullshit channels like MTV and some other junk. I watched Sonnen vs Paige the other night.

 

[chrisdiaz]

Tape delaying is the most rediculous things ever, even worse they offer a live stream through the app if you have a cable sub. Makes no sense. Also, do those streams count towards viewership? I actually had to illegal stream it cause the app doesnt work on PC.

I have two suggestions for better viewership

A) No more friday night cards, its death for TV

B) Make a weekday show to showcase some regional talent like dana whites contender series to bring more attention to bellator brand and hype some up and coming fighters.

 

[skylolow]

I may be in the minority, but i dont mind smaller cards with names an org attempts an org attempts to build up. think you are partially right. Streaming is gaining on on tv. people arent slaves to their tv they way it was in the past. a couple of decades ago if you missed your favorite show, sorry, you missed it. now, people could watch anything and everything on demand. you dont even need to be at home anymore. this is one of many things streams have over cable. if youre watching content through youtube tv, sling, netflix,you could be watching on your phone from where ever you are. you dont have this luxury, if you are watching through cable.

this is the story i keep mentioning

record breaking numbers from netflix. adding a total of 8.33m new subscribers in spite of the fact that they raised prices on nearly all of their packages.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/danafe...-in-2017-exceeds-11b-in-revenue/#46a8df9288eb

No doubt it takes a hit.

Which is why live sports has been more lucrative to media outlets since you usually can't just go watch it later unless you DVR the event or wait months to see it on streaming service. Sure some services your able to stream the event live and I have no idea how the UFC or Bellator track that or if they add it into viewership or separate it out.

 

[560ti]

YUP, cant deny Streaming presence anymore.

i was actually looking into youtube tv, but they didnt seem to have paramount on there. i would love to buy a package that included fox and paramount, but idk if that will happen.

Direct TV Now's $35 package is basically the go to for MMA fans.

It has local fox(UFC on Fox events) , Fox sports 1 (UFC fight nights) , AXS TV (Legacy fighting alliance, lion fight muay thai, and CES) , NBC Sports (PFL) , and Spike (Bellator MMA)