Becoming a Union steward in my store

[Kevin Rudd]

No such thing as a free lunch of course.

In the Mayberry, Nonsense said something along the lines of "I'm not worried about what happens, my health care is covered."

Which is funny for a Canadian to say as if their taxes aren't substantially more to cover it. I pay $110 a month for my health insurance, which I'm willing to bet is less than what my monthly tax liability would be to pay for single payer health insurance up there.

it depends on your income. Am not Canadian am from Australia and we have a 1% level on taxable income to pay for our UHC so you would need to do the numbers. Based on your $110 a month your taxable income would need to be more than $132K before your premium was cheaper than the taxation.

But do your premiums increase as well?

 

[TeTe]

it depends on your income. Am not Canadian am from Australia and we have a 1% level on taxable income to pay for our UHC so you would need to do the numbers. Based on your $110 a month your taxable income would need to be more than $132K before your premium was cheaper than the taxation.

But do your premiums increase as well?

They haven't in a while.

 

[TeTe]

Actually, you pay more for healthcare than Canadians do in taxes alone. And that's not even including private spending.

I'm well aware of the disparity in GDP spending when it comes to health care in the U.S. compared to Canada.

I do know that Canadians on average pay slightly higher taxes than Americans do. Of course it's difficult to really compare how it breaks downs and determine what goes where. Obviously they get more bang for their buck, but to me all that tells me is we pay too much in taxes.

 

[wandiswar]

^Single payer is better than our crap system deal with it.

 

[elmo_1968]

Lol at those who think putting cans of corn on the shelf or super sizing a value meal at Burger World is meant to be a lucrative lifelong career.

No blue collar career is ever "meant" to pay a living wage as long as big business is the only one whose opinion matters. Sectors like coal mining and manufacturing were once incredibly dangerous and paid starvation wages and employed large #s of children. I think we all know what changed that trajectory.

 

[elmo_1968]

So much anger and a potty mouth to boot. With regards to the "worth" of your labor it's only value is what someone is willing to pay for it.

And historically the best way to change what someone is willing to pay for it is unionization. I don't know if unions will ever come back, but the idea that they played no role in the living wage blue collar era is out-and-out revisionism.

 

[Calmete]

Paper or plastic.


You can't even handle that?

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

and that ACL surgery will put your ass on the street.

You're aware that hospitals will allow you to make payments on any debt you owe them? I had several medical care requiring injuries during my three years in MMA, not one of them "put my ass out on the street".

Even a friend of mine who only made $11,000 a year (at that time) broke his arm in several places (motor cross accident), and the bills didn't break him, he would simply pay the minimum payments until he got a better job.


Since I'm asking questions, allow me to ask another to you:

Dose an employee have the right to impose a union upon an employer who dose not want his company unionized?

 

[JuliaB4GSP]

Up into the late 80s grocery store baggers and clerks could make a living wage, there were a ton of full-timers at every store with health benefits. A major reason so many grocery chains failed at the same time, the late 80s, early 90s is because they all attacked their workers wages to compete with Walmart's revolutionary move of squeezing their trade partners. Walmart wasn't the first to destroy their workforce, it was their competition trying to stay afloat that pushed wages down at first. A grocery's employees are the store's best customers, pay them less they spend less and your store's profit will spiral no matter what.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

it depends on your income. Am not Canadian am from Australia and we have a 1% level on taxable income to pay for our UHC so you would need to do the numbers. Based on your $110 a month your taxable income would need to be more than $132K before your premium was cheaper than the taxation.

But do your premiums increase as well?

Our system is shit. We pay high taxes to cover the exorbanant charges physicians/hospitals deem fit to charge and unless you're old ( Medicare eligible) or extremely poor....youve got shit to show for it. 190k for an appendectomy and 3 days in the hospital , $2500 bucks for the privelage of letting your infant sit in a room whilst monitoring her temp and a dose of Tylenol , 2 k for a 20 minute MRI. All shit that has happened in my family in the past couple of years. I have decent insurance, an HSA with a 5k deductible through my wife's company and out premiums have been going up exponentially every year...of course there us always a good reason ,its Fat people or old people or poor people , just don't dare look at the fucking podiatrist making 500k a year!


Nobody can explain how having a third party that does nothing outside of shuffle papers around ( looking at you insurance industry) does anything but drive cost up. The majority of us have to pay a lot more for the same care than we would otherwise or they'd be out of business. They are very powerful , well funded and organized , and have pushed a lot of legislation through to legitimize themselves. I say fuck em , let them rot , mixing the quest for huge profits with peoples absolute and non discretionary need for healthcare is a recipe for disaster.....exhibit A) the current state of healthcare in the US

 

[bobob]

Why don't you start your own grocery store. Make sure you only hire union workers and be sure to provide health care, maternity leave and all the other liberal entitlements.

Then come back here in, oh, about 3 days and tell us how you did.

 

[saugeye killah]

Will do, El Rushbo!!

Why don't you start your own grocery store. Make sure you only hire union workers and be sure to provide health care, maternity leave and all the other liberal entitlements.

Then come back here in, oh, about 3 days and tell us how you did.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Dose an employee have the right to impose a union upon an employer who dose not want his company unionized?

No, I'm pretty sure an employee needs to get a majority of his co-workers to sign union cards, or get a majority of votes in an election, to "impose" a union on an employer.

 

[Snackbar]

God unions make me cringe. Whats with all the war room union love lately? Do people really not realize the damage unions do these days?
Bash your corporate execs all you want, but i guarantee they are half the crooks your union heads are. And you pay the fuckers to be a member!!

 

[MisterT]

That's what unions are for. It's no secret that the laborers want to be fairly compensated, and no secret that people like you would rather they were not. So there's no trickery here. It's all about which side can impose their will on the other. I look forward to imposing my will on these guys.

What, in your opinion, constitutes "fairly compensated"?

If I'm managing a grocery store and I want to replace workers with newer ones that will do the job for less (assuming there's no major adverse impact on the overall business), why should I not be able to do so?

 

[ABACA]

No, I'm pretty sure an employee needs to get a majority of his co-workers to sign union cards, or get a majority of votes in an election, to "impose" a union on an employer.

Fucking neo-liberals who can't seem to understand how collective bargaining fits into a "free market".

"Dem evil unions made the job-creators sign a contract that says they can only higher union workers! Mah jerbs!"

 

[Killswitch91]

Dose an employee have the right to impose a union upon an employer who dose not want his company unionized?

If an employee can convince his coworkers to unite and vote to unionize, then yes.

The hard part comes in places like Walmart, where management has done a VERY good job of spreading fear amongst their employees regarding unions.

 

[Perfidious]

Why don't you start your own grocery store. Make sure you only hire union workers and be sure to provide health care, maternity leave and all the other liberal entitlements.

Then come back here in, oh, about 3 days and tell us how you did.

Epic. Simply epic. :^)

 

[Deleted member 159002]

What, in your opinion, constitutes "fairly compensated"?

If I'm managing a grocery store and I want to replace workers with newer ones that will do the job for less (assuming there's no major adverse impact on the overall business), why should I not be able to do so?

Depends. Have you signed a contract that prohibits you from replacing your workers?

 

[MisterT]

Depends. Have you signed a contract that prohibits you from replacing your workers?

Judging by the TS's posts it seems like they signed a bad contract that let's the company get rid of the older workers without significant legal backlash.

I'm also curious to know exactly what the TS and some of these older workers do. I've worked in a retail/grocery setting. I've done everything from handle the cartrail to cashier to assistant grocery manager. I want to know what job TS feels is not fairly compensated.