Bautista Aldo and Brown Battle are the exact same fight

[RonDante]

brown clearly won the third round. Don’t tell me about clinch control cause it’s not a factor in the scoring

Aldo got pushed against the fence but landed more and better strikes than Bautista = robbery and everyone freaks out

Randy brown gets pushed against the fence and clearly lands more and the cleanest most impactful strikes = who cares, clinch control definitely won it for battle

No one gives a shit about Randy brown so barely anyone sticks up for him. Everyone loves aldo so the internet goes crazy



And what this made super apparent to me is that the majority of fans still have no fucking clue what the scoring criteria is

And don’t get me started on joe rogan and his “well the judges gotta go with battle cause he pushed brown against the fence” pound for pound worst commentator

Sick of this shit

 

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You do know clinch control is considered effective grappling right? Pushing and trapping someone against their will against the cage is effective grappling.

 

[RonDante]

You do know clinch control is considered effective grappling right? Pushing and trapping someone against their will against the cage is effective grappling.

Effective grappling is execution of takedowns, submission attempts, dominant positions and reversals. Explain to me what advantage is achieved by using all your energy to get stuck in a 50/50 position that doesn’t stop your opponent from hitting you basically as much as you can hit them

 

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Effective grappling is execution of takedowns, submission attempts, dominant positions and reversals. Explain to me what advantage is achieved by using all your energy to get stuck in a 50/50 position that doesn’t stop your opponent from hitting you basically as much as you can hit them

It's not 50/50 if you want to be in that position and your opponent doesn't. You're enforcing your will on your opponent making him do something he doesn't want to do.

 

[RonDante]

It's not 50/50 if you want to be in that position and your opponent doesn't. You're enforcing your will on your opponent making him do something he doesn't want to do.

So korn Gracie was winning against Bryce Mitchell the entire time they fought because he wanted to be on bottom?

 

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So korn Gracie was winning against Bryce Mitchell the entire time they fought because he wanted to be on bottom?

No. Being on the bottom is not a dominant position. But it is a chance to finish the fight. It's just like a counter striker. If they don't finish a fight they're going to lose a decision. Kron knee that if he didn't get a finish he was going to lose a decision.

And pulling guard ended up getting him smashed and finished. He intentionally put himself in a disadvantageous position trying to pull off a sub

 

[RonDante]

No. Being on the bottom is not a dominant position. But it is a chance to finish the fight. It's just like a counter striker. If they don't finish a fight they're going to lose a decision. Kron knee that if he didn't get a finish he was going to lose a decision.

And pulling guard ended up getting him smashed and finished. He intentionally put himself in a disadvantageous position trying to pull off a sub

So just because he wanted to be on bottom doesn’t mean it was an advantageous position. So just becuase battle wanted t be in a 50/50 position against the fence doesn’t mean it was an advantageous position

 

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So just because he wanted to be on bottom doesn’t mean it was an advantageous position. So just becuase battle wanted t be in a 50/50 position against the fence doesn’t mean it was an advantageous position

You're trying to equate the 2 different positions as the same. They aren't.
Being on top is considered being in a dominant position. Not the bottom
Pushing someone against the cage is considered being in the dominant position. Getting pushed around and trapped against the cage isn't 50/50. It's you bring controlled by your opponent.

 

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So just because he wanted to be on bottom doesn’t mean it was an advantageous position. So just becuase battle wanted t be in a 50/50 position against the fence doesn’t mean it was an advantageous position

Look at 2 male deers fight with antlers. The one pushing the other one around is winning. That's the equivalent of pushing someone against the cage. If there was no cage the other guy would keep pushing forward and the other guy would continuously go backwards.

 

[RonDante]

Look at 2 male deers fight with antlers. The one pushing the other one around is winning. That's the equivalent of pushing someone against the cage. If there was no cage the other guy would keep pushing forward and the other guy would continuously go backwards.

If the scoring criteria was about pushing your opponent backwards you’d have a point but it isn’t so you don’t. And if there wasn’t a cage you would have a point but there is so you dont. What advantage does being in a 50/50 position give a fighter? Tell me what battle is doing that is giving him an advantage over brown. Don’t tell me that brown doesn’t want to be there. Just tell me the benefits that using your energy to keep someone against the fence provides you with

 

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If the scoring criteria was about pushing your opponent backwards you’d have a point but it isn’t so you don’t. And if there wasn’t a cage you would have a point but there is so you dont. What advantage does being in a 50/50 position give a fighter? Tell me what battle is doing that is giving him an advantage over brown. Don’t tell me that brown doesn’t want to be there. Just tell me the benefits that using your energy to keep someone against the fence provides you with

Once again it's not 50/50. Every time you say is 50/50 you're being intellectually disingenuous.
Look at the Alvarez vs Pettis fight.
Pettis learned more strikes but spent a significant amount of time trapped against his will against the cage by Eddie so Eddie got the win based off control.

A person who forces another person to do something they don't want by definition is CONTROLLING that other person.

 

[RonDante]

Once again it's not 50/50. Every time you say is 50/50 you're being intellectually disingenuous.
Look at the Alvarez vs Pettis fight.
Pettis learned more strikes but spent a significant amount of time trapped against his will against the cage by Eddie so Eddie got the win based off control.

A person who forces another person to do something they don't want by definition is CONTROLLING that other person.

“Control” is not the scoring criteria unless everything else is equal. “Control” is completely irrelevant to who won this fight. “Control” has nothing to do with advantageous position, because there is no advantage achieved in the grappling by battle when he pushes brown into yes a 50/50 position

 

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“Control” is not the scoring criteria unless everything else is equal. “Control” is completely irrelevant to who won this fight. “Control” has nothing to do with advantageous position, because there is no advantage achieved in the grappling by battle when he pushes brown into yes a 50/50 position

You're literally saying that being hemmed up against a wall by someone against your will is a neutral position......

Yeah I'm done. Have a nice day

 

[Pequeño Corey]

There will never be a consensus here on the dog, but I'd say that the majority agrees with you and scored it for Rude Boy. Don't be mad at us, man, blame it on the shit judging.

 

[RonDante]

Yeah I'm done. Have a nice day.

I will, thanks buddy

 

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There will never be a consensus here on the dog, but I'd say that the majority agrees with you and scored it for Rude Boy. Don't be mad at us, man, blame it on the shit judging.

What's crazy is I literally bet on Randy Brown and lost.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

What's crazy is I literally bet on Randy Brown and lost.

I didn't have any scharole on it, but I'm a fan of both guys. Or at least, I was before this. Battle really showed his ass about the whole weight miss thing. Even still, I wasn't rooting for him to lose or anything. Was very surprised when the judges gave it to him. I thought Rude Boy took it 2-1. I don't even recall which rounds, either. I was pretty toasty on Saturday. No matter. Rude Boy will be back. It's not like he got KO'd or anything. Just lost a competitive decision. Es normal.

 

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I didn't have any scharole on it, but I'm a fan of both guys. Or at least, I was before this. Battle really showed his ass about the whole weight miss thing. Even still, I wasn't rooting for him to lose or anything. Was very surprised when the judges gave it to him. I thought Rude Boy took it 2-1. I don't even recall which rounds, either. I was pretty toasty on Saturday. No matter. Rude Boy will be back. It's not like he got KO'd or anything. Just lost a competitive decision. Es normal.

Hell I did too but I felt going into the cards it could go either way.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

You're trying to equate the 2 different positions as the same. They aren't.
Being on top is considered being in a dominant position. Not the bottom
Pushing someone against the cage is considered being in the dominant position. Getting pushed around and trapped against the cage isn't 50/50. It's you bring controlled by your opponent.

You are correct in regard to position however that only wins a round in the event all things are equal. Striking in an attempt to finish the fight > holding someone against the fence. There has never been a standing TKO because a guy was held in place has there?

The 3rd roud was the deciding factor and while the striking numbers were close I recall Randy being the one who landed much more effective strikes.

 

[ZCrz]

Had Randy Brown winning that fight but I guess the ufc hype machine is behind Battle atm.