Bas Rutten on JRE: "Takada vs Coleman was fixed"

[ThunderL1ps]

Kickboxing.

Apparently he denied those rumors, Bill Goldberg said he was offered del Rio in glory too.


And I think del rio said he was offered a ufc contact too

I hadn't read that or I forgot I read it.

I figured Del Rio would have been offered a contract by that new USA Spanish MMA promotion. I don't know if they have the funds to do that , if Del Rio would want to do that or if it makes sense at all at this point for them.

 

[Pyreen]

Everything PRIDE did is now under suspicion because the SAME people that fixed the Takada fight were also responsible for ALL THE OTHER FIGHTS



Takeda and Sakakibara who Fixed fights in PRIDE are now in charge of RIZIN

This is actually completely false, and very important.

PRIDE (or more correctly, DSE) president Naoto Morishita (the guy with the baseball cap fighters would shake hands with after their fights) was killed Januar 9th 2003 in a power struggle between Yakuza (specifically, Yamaguchi gumi) factions. He was replaced by Nobuyuki Sakakibara. This engendered many substantial changes in the organization:

1. Takada never set foot in a PRIDE ring as a fighter again. His last fight was in November 2002, 6 weeks before Morishita died.
2. The number of pro wrestlers competing in PRIDE dwindled significantly.
3. Sakakibara's executive involvement in PRIDE started in 1/2003.

Takada never had executive power in PRIDE. It is correct that PRIDE exists "because of him" in the sense of his pro wrestling superstardom being responsible for the interest in his fight with Rickson. However, pro wrestling, and therefor Takada's star power, is also entirely owned and controlled by the Yakuza.

The Takada/pro wrestling affiliated Yakuza branch lost the war with the faction Sakakibara was a member of. The new owners led PRIDE from 2003 to its collapse and had a fight booking/business model much closer to K-1.

 

[Skarr]

There is a pretty good write-up in the book Shooters: The Toughest Men in Professional Wrestling about the Pancrase organization. Rutten claimed that he would never throw a fight, but it doesn't mean that opponents weren't asked to drop bouts to him or stay away from his weaknesses.

How come these fighters never go on JRE and talk about fixes in the UFC?

I would think there could be a couple of reasons for that, for one there wasnt alot of fighters that talked about fixed fights in pride while pride was still up and running as far as I know it wasnt until pride was a sinking ship that stories started to emerge, even now there are numerous fights that were largely assumed to be fixed in pride that people havent come clean about, Leko vs Ogawa comes to mind.
Zuffa and now WME have very strong legal teams, outside of the fighters that have thrown fights((if there have been in the UFC)) who else can say so affirmatively that for sure there has been, coming out and blabbing to the media about something that is very slanderous on the strength of word of mouth is grounds to be sued

we all know how Zuffa were not very fond of releasing big name fighters they had under contract out of the goodness of their heart....now look to what happened with Wand...he came out and it looked very much like he was going to be talking about fight fixing and immediately the UFC sued him which put a gag order on him I believe....instead of the suit actually going thru they came to an agreement and he was released from his contract without another word towards what he had been alluding that he was going to come out and talk about

I dont like to think of the UFC fixing fights and Im definately not a guy that jumps all over screaming fixed fight at the first thing that isnt the norm. but that situation with Wand was very very suspicious/telling IMO

also IMO I would think that over time there have been some fixes in the UFC with the majority of those being in the earlier stages of the UFC's history, possibly even involving Wand ((during his first run)) I think after the UFC gained more and more popularity it would become both harder and more dangerous to do

 

[LORDTENSAIMMA]

I hadn't read that or I forgot I read it.

I figured Del Rio would have been offered a contract by that new USA Spanish MMA promotion. I don't know if they have the funds to do that , if Del Rio would want to do that or if it makes sense at all at this point for them.

He actually is a ambassador or something for the new Mexican mma org, where he just had a backstage fist fight with his real brother. Then he fought the cops and turned the police station into a blood bath

 

[LORDTENSAIMMA]

Actually that might have been at a Mexican pro wrestling event. But he is involved in a Mexican mma org

 

[CrimsonFan]

People are ignorant if they don't think the ufc has had fixed fights too. Its just part of the fight game.

You can't honestly believe nobody has ever laid down money on their opponent.

 

[WallyBear]

I hadn't read that or I forgot I read it.

I figured Del Rio would have been offered a contract by that new USA Spanish MMA promotion. I don't know if they have the funds to do that , if Del Rio would want to do that or if it makes sense at all at this point for them.

Combate Americas?

He is actually their president.

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/...mpion-mma-fighter-alberto-rodriguez-president

 

[ThunderL1ps]

Combate Americas?

He is actually their president.

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/...mpion-mma-fighter-alberto-rodriguez-president

That's it. Thanks.

 

[MilesAbove]

No shit. Pride was full of fixed fights. Or they would pay guys extra to not stand or go to the ground with someone.

Pride fanboys always get butthurt when you mention how shady it was.

And Zuffa Zombies always forget the UFC was bought by a Mafia family who owned a series of Casinos.

 

[Amerikuracana]

People are ignorant if they don't think the ufc has had fixed fights too. Its just part of the fight game.

You can't honestly believe nobody has ever laid down money on their opponent.

Shhhhhhhhhh...

Nobody has ANY connections, and nobody making 10/10 would EEEEVER take a fall for 150k. That's just not how the world works.

 

[ThunderL1ps]

And Zuffa Zombies always forget the UFC was bought by a Mafia family who owned a series of Casinos.

Also, the UFC was not going to be able to fight in Nevada which led to the sale by the previous owners as the only place they were going to be able to stage events was New Jersey. Then by some miracle --- A Fertitta that was a part of the NSAC -- the UFC was then allowed to do shows in Nevada.

 

[ThunderL1ps]

I would think there could be a couple of reasons for that, for one there wasnt alot of fighters that talked about fixed fights in pride while pride was still up and running as far as I know it wasnt until pride was a sinking ship that stories started to emerge, even now there are numerous fights that were largely assumed to be fixed in pride that people havent come clean about, Leko vs Ogawa comes to mind.
Zuffa and now WME have very strong legal teams, outside of the fighters that have thrown fights((if there have been in the UFC)) who else can say so affirmatively that for sure there has been, coming out and blabbing to the media about something that is very slanderous on the strength of word of mouth is grounds to be sued

we all know how Zuffa were not very fond of releasing big name fighters they had under contract out of the goodness of their heart....now look to what happened with Wand...he came out and it looked very much like he was going to be talking about fight fixing and immediately the UFC sued him which put a gag order on him I believe....instead of the suit actually going thru they came to an agreement and he was released from his contract without another word towards what he had been alluding that he was going to come out and talk about

I dont like to think of the UFC fixing fights and Im definately not a guy that jumps all over screaming fixed fight at the first thing that isnt the norm. but that situation with Wand was very very suspicious/telling IMO

also IMO I would think that over time there have been some fixes in the UFC with the majority of those being in the earlier stages of the UFC's history, possibly even involving Wand ((during his first run)) I think after the UFC gained more and more popularity it would become both harder and more dangerous to do

It was a rhetorical question

That first Anderson Silva/Chris Wiedman bout looked highly suspect to the point where one of the MMA media asked Dana White about it at the post fight. Props to whoever did that as those punches looked pulled.

 

[Necrocrawler]

It has long been questioned whether Takada vs Coleman was a legit fight or not, with Coleman's answer being that it was what he needed to do to support his family without outright admitting the fight was fixed.On the JRE Rogan asked Bas about fixed fights in PRIDE and Bas answered:

"Coleman was fighting Takada and they told me he was gonna get finished in 6 minutes by way of heel hook. So now the press comes to me and they ask me "What do you think is going to happen in this fight?" I say "O, it's easy. Takada is gonna win, 6 minutes, heel hook" and everybody froze, because it was before the fight and they had to change their whole gimmick."

So, there you have it. Confirmed fake. Maybe Sherdog can remove it from both fighters' record.

Thx for confirming this pal... Like in 2017... Coleman said a long time ago he accept to fix the fight because at the time he worked in a pro wrestling org where Takada was a bookmaker... Even brazilian narrators used to say that when the Takada`s fights were fixed, he used to show up all happy with smiles and stuff... When not, he looked quite serious and a little afraid...

 

[Edwin]

This is a fight were really didn't need any type of confirmation for. This was a know fixed fight.

Another way Pride used to influence fights were to change a fighters opponent last minute with the new opponent knowing for weeks/months in advance who they were fighting.

This is a comun trend elsewhere and happens in other countries such as Brazil. Promoters will book their fighters against lesser experiencied fighters or they would change their opponents at last minute.

There was an event in Peru that promoted Valentina Schevchenko vs. Ediane Gomes. Ediane was never contacted by the promoter and of course she wasn't at the weigh ins. However they still excused her from the weigh ins and said she would be there to fight Valentina. In the end, come fight night and Valentina ended up fighting Helen Bastos.

If Bas knew it was fixed then why did he act so suprised and say "something is wrong here" and stuff like that during the fight?

Because it was his job to call the fight.

To foreign fans, he had to keep the mystique that all PRIDE fights were shoots and that was what he was paid for and what he did.

And why would they allow him to spill the secret and not fire him

PRIDE closed years ago and he just said this not to recently. How could they possibly fire him now?

 

[Agent Mulder]

Well, it was always suspected, but I think this is the first time someone in the know came out and blatantly admitted it.

Nah Bas has said this a while ago.

 

[d3vil0ck]

Well, it was always suspected, but I think this is the first time someone in the know came out and blatantly admitted it.

I've heard Bas say it over 10 years ago

 

[d3vil0ck]

If Bas knew it was fixed then why did he act so suprised and say "something is wrong here" and stuff like that during the fight? I feel like Bas is lying here and people just believe him because there is a cult of personality around this guy

Besides why would they tell him ? And why would they allow him to spill the secret and not fire him? Seems fake IMO

Lol, how dumb can you be? The entire reason he spoke like that during the commentary (which BTW, was done months after the event, since until PRIDE 10 there was no live English commentary) was because he knew it was fixed and knew how it was ending. It was not even possible for him to commentate over that fight in a straight way.

 

[d3vil0ck]

And BTW, for everyone on here who claims PRIDE was FULL of fixed fights

List ten of them, and make sure they are ten fights that happened after PRIDE 10. Since up to that point PRIDE was nearly half pro wrestling. Go ahead, name 10 fixed PRIDE fights post PRIDE 10. They had literally hundreds of fights, should be easy enough to name 10 fixed ones since clearly everything was a work, right guyz?

 

[kingcillo24]

Lol, how dumb can you be? The entire reason he spoke like that during the commentary (which BTW, was done months after the event, since until PRIDE 10 there was no live English commentary) was because he knew it was fixed and knew how it was ending. It was not even possible for him to commentate over that fight in a straight way.

If the commentaries were recorded so long (months) after the fight, doesn't that bring up an inconsistency in Bas Rutten's story about telling the media the finish before the fight?

 

[d3vil0ck]

If the commentaries were recorded so long (months) after the fight, doesn't that bring up an inconsistency in Bas Rutten's story about telling the media the finish before the fight?

I don't think so. That's why he was feigning surprise on the commentary. He knew it was a work long in advance but he still had to do his job when it was time to do commentary. He couldn't just say "this is a work" on the DVD. that's why his voice sounds like a robot during commentary, he literally says "what is he doing" about Coleman because he gives Takada the leg for no apparent reason, and since Bas has to call it as a shoot, doing this makes no sense. I don't think he was proud of having to commentate on that fight and act like it was legit, when he knew it wasn't.

It's pretty obvious Bas is telling the truth about this.