Bare knuckles vs gloves

[Hitdepruns]

Im not an expert, but i read that with gloves, fighters target the head more than previously did and can go full power without getting the hands injured.

 

[SandisLL]

Some people have misunderstood the valid seemingly paradoxical concept that glove fights can lead to more overall brain trauma than bareknuckle fights because of the reasons discussed...with a false paradox that padded gloves magically cause you to punch with equal or even more force by themselves.

People could look at studies clearly showing that bareknuckle strikes are capable of landing with more force than when you put a layer of padding around them - or they could even just ask a random child who will probably be able to tell them the same thing because it's basic common sense.

And that means that while there is some element of truth in the 'head trauma' vs 'face trauma' dynamic, it's a lot more complicated than that because of the high impact bareknuckle guys can deliver.

There is also reality that not glove or no glove creates punching power....
It is done by body mechanic chain.... not just some so called " fists "....

I'm a bit surprised about years xxxxxx ppl had spent in internet to theoretize....
Instead for example long ago might had compared what stuff is to hit with full power punch some guy's forehead and the same with " puffy " 16 oz sparring gloves and ofc normal hands wraps....
Maybe to hit some wall too or someone's elbow in moment when he moves it down and hits upper part of your fist in moment when you are attempting to punch guy with full force etc....
Etc etc etc...

Btw your and oppoent's fist might collide and then....

Barehands are super effective while there are nuances....especially on the street...

A lot of ppl even doesn't commit with 100% possible power and carefully watches where to aim .....
Especially on daTech streetz....

Power chaining for power punches is done from ground, starting with foot, akles and knees, hips and core movement .....
Not by waving hands in air....

It really might be fun to compare it in real life.

 

[SandisLL]

Im not an expert, but i read that with gloves, fighters target the head more than previously did and can go full power without getting the hands injured.

Yeah, especially with these " puffy " sparring gloves and decent wrappings is more safe to punch guy's head...
Especially lesser you will fear accidentally to hit guy's forehead..... etc stuff...

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Bone on bone favours the stronger bone, so fist on skull will usually damage the hand and wrist if you punch too hard and try to punch through your opponent. Bone on bone also leaves more external damage like cuts and scarring.

Glove on bone will allow for a lot harder punches as the recoil gets absorbed by the padding in the glove instead of the knuckles. There won't be as much external scarring but glove on bone leaves more internal damage. You can still damage your hands and wrist with gloves though.


Shorter version - Bareknuckles hurt the face, gloves hurt the brain.

I think that sums it up well. Bare Knuckle is not great to watch aesthetically because of all the blood but probably actually safer.

Also bare knuckle you don't have the big gloves to allow you to parry punches a lot easier, changes the defensive game a lot

 

[Streeter]

4oz Gloves would be interesting in boxing.

 

[jm0b]

Blows to the head will cause trauma to the brain, gloves or no.

Getting hit by a car and a truck will cause trauma to the brain, gloves or no.

 

[Hung Like a Hamster]

Watch bkfc, injuries looks gruesome at times. Hands and face. I remember Joe Rigg fracturing Melvin Guillard face with a punch.

 

[Seano]

Getting hit by a car and a truck will cause trauma to the brain, gloves or no.

What does the Nevada State Car Crash Commission say about this?

 

[mozfonky]

I remember Angelo Dundee lamenting that "maybe they should let them fight barenuckle" after the duk koo kim death. The idea was that gloves allow a lot more punishment to accrue overall, that barenuckle would just accellerate the damage and get it over. It's probably true that fights would end much quicker because of superficial damage but it would still be brutal and would look more brutal which is a part of the reason gloves were used, to make it look more civilized. There is really no way to make the sport civilized, either have it or don't have it.

The idea of using some sort of headgear in the pros, bigger gloves, etc.., all bad ideas. Either have the sport or don't.

 

[mozfonky]

Watch bkfc, injuries looks gruesome at times. Hands and face. I remember Joe Rigg fracturing Melvin Guillard face with a punch.

certainly, it looks horrible, but the real, lasting, damage can very well occur to guys who used gloves, never been cut, never had a broken nose, just look at Ali, a man that never looked like a fighter and was only cut once or twice as a pro.

 

[mozfonky]

I think that sums it up well. Bare Knuckle is not great to watch aesthetically because of all the blood but probably actually safer.

Also bare knuckle you don't have the big gloves to allow you to parry punches a lot easier, changes the defensive game a lot

or just turtle up on the ropes, imagine ali trying to rope a dope with george hitting with both not wearing gloves, it wouldn't be pretty no matter how great ali was. It wouldn't work.

 

[Dr Fong]

The sad truth that some people seem to be realizing is that bigger gloves suck donkey testicles, there's just nothing we can do about them.

They increase the overall brain damage in the sport and they distort boxing as a form of realistic unarmed combat by allowing for certain defensive techniques that would get you murdered in an unarmed situation.

Boxing would be a better sport if it went back to just accepting more broken bones and cuts as part of the game.

But that would require change and change scares both low IQ reactionaries by definition and high IQ powerbrokers who do not benefit from a disruption to the status quo.

 

[MT5]

The sad truth that some people seem to be realizing is that bigger gloves suck donkey testicles, there's just nothing we can do about them.

They increase the overall brain damage in the sport and they distort boxing as a form of realistic unarmed combat by allowing for certain defensive techniques that would get you murdered in an unarmed situation.

Boxing would be a better sport if it went back to just accepting more broken bones and cuts as part of the game.

But that would require change and change scares both low IQ reactionaries by definition and high IQ powerbrokers who do not benefit from a disruption to the status quo.

As a low IQ reactionary, I agree I prefer gloves. If boxing was bareknuckle only I would probably mainly only watch MMA and kickboxing, maybe occasionally throwing on a bareknuckle match if nothing else was on. I reserve the right to change my mind but bareknuckle, imho, is not very interesting. The blood and whatnot doesn't turn me off. In fact that tough guy "broootality, bro" is all it's got going for it. Because absent the gloves, with only punches to work with, the strategy melts away and it's just two dudes roughing each other up. Which is fine enough, I suppose. But I ain't getting a PPV for that.
I guess I could imagine bareknuckle evolving into something more elegant that might interest me. But what's out there now is a novelty act.

 

[Dr Fong]

As a low IQ reactionary, I agree I prefer gloves. If boxing was bareknuckle only I would probably mainly only watch MMA and kickboxing, maybe occasionally throwing on a bareknuckle match if nothing else was on. I reserve the right to change my mind but bareknuckle, imho, is not very interesting. The blood and whatnot doesn't turn me off. In fact that tough guy "broootality, bro" is all it's got going for it. Because absent the gloves, with only punches to work with, the strategy melts away and it's just two dudes roughing each other up. Which is fine enough, I suppose. But I ain't getting a PPV for that.
I guess I could imagine bareknuckle evolving into something more elegant that might interest me. But what's out there now is a novelty act.

I am really just advocating boxing return to smaller gloves, not bareknuckle. With modern padding, a return to 6 ounce gloves seems like a good compromise to me.

Considering the gloves got bigger, you could argue that us anti-big glove folks are the real low IQ reactionaries, raging against a degenerate modern system and longing for the traditional gloves of the 'good old days'

 

[MT5]

I am really just advocating boxing return to smaller gloves, not bareknuckle. With modern padding, a return to 6 ounce gloves seems like a good compromise to me.

Considering the gloves got bigger, you could argue that us anti-big glove folks are the real low IQ reactionaries, raging against a degenerate modern system and longing for the traditional gloves of the 'good old days'

I gotcha. I don't feel knowledgeable enough about the brain or fighting or glove construction to have strong enough feelings to argue about 6 oz vz 10 oz or whatever. All I'm saying is that as a fan (and extreeeeeeemely amateur participant) I think gloved boxing is a much more interesting sport than bareknuckle. At least from what I've seen.

I will note that ONE Championship's Muay Thai with MMA gloves, which sorta seems like what your advocating, seems inferior to regular Muay Thai to me. Again, totally subjective. I dunno if Muay Thai interests you. But if it does, have you watched ONE and what did you think?

 

[Dr Fong]

I gotcha. I don't feel knowledgeable enough about the brain or fighting or glove construction to have strong enough feelings to argue about 6 oz vz 10 oz or whatever. All I'm saying is that as a fan (and extreeeeeeemely amateur participant) I think gloved boxing is a much more interesting sport than bareknuckle. At least from what I've seen.

I will note that ONE Championship's Muay Thai with MMA gloves, which sorta seems like what your advocating, seems inferior to regular Muay Thai to me. Again, totally subjective. I dunno if Muay Thai interests you. But if it does, have you watched ONE and what did you think?

I used to watch Muay Thai a lot but haven't watched hardly any of the hybrid One stuff, but I believe you.

I always thought prime K1 was way better to watch than MT, even though MT is the more complete striking form, so there's another example of the more 'pure combat' art being less fun to watch.

I have seen some bareknuckle fights that I actually enjoyed and most of it has been underground stuff or shot, bum MMA fighters. We would need to see an actual talent pool of elite boxers to truly compare it to gloved boxing.

But I do agree that, aesthetically, gloves make for a better sport. With the big exception, as others have pointed out, being the greater ability to just cover up. Combined with some guys pulling their foul protectors up near their tits, it creates too much of the available surface area that can be covered up by extra padding (obviously with the skill to use that padding).

Boxing at its absolute best is the most entertaining of all combat sports in my opinion, so I can understand the resistance. But I just have a feeling 6 ounces is the compromise that would work.

 

[Sanserif]

I suspect the number or boxers killed because of boxing or suffering from head trauma would have been greatly increased by the advent of gloves...

 

[Minowafanatic]

Boxing would be a better sport if it went back to just accepting more broken bones and cuts as part of the game.

It'd make boxing economically weaker which in turn is going to affect skill and talent etc - if everyone's getting cuts and breaks then low level pros will be out less often which would have a ripple effect