Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR v.11

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Magooglie said:
I hope GOTG3 is filled with jokes about Peter #2 not saving the universe.
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I just rewatched GOTG vol. 2, and I enjoyed it even more than the first time. I think I underrated it initially because the first one was so incredibly good.
 
JosephDredd said:
This is what happened: heroes about to win, hero gets angry and does something stupid, he fails and the stakes are ratcheted up because they would have succeeded if he didn't sabotage them with stupidity.

Even if the reasons behind this are more thought out than in most movies that use this trope, it's still a trope that we've seen a million times before and right now very few things pull me out of a movie quicker than seeing heroes do something totally goddamned stupid because the plot needs him to in order to ratched up the stakes. Just like in Logan, when they decide to visit the family. I would have absolutely loved the movie if they did not do that. Or, at least find a way to put them in the family's house that was the result of sensible decision-making and not completely fucking stupid and inexplicable.

The actions we see on screen, step by step, are completely indistinguishable from movies that phone it in with shitty tropes. I would have like to have seen something fresh, such as... Quill doesn't succumb to his emotions, doesn't do anything stupid, and they actually get the gauntlet off Thanos. Then Thanos frees himself as Strange powers up an extremely powerful spell, Quill sees that Thanos could regain the gauntlet and charges him with his guns while screaming about Gamorrah, Tony yells for Quill to keep his distance, Strange yells that Quill is going to get hit with the spell, and that split second is what Thanos needs to grab Quill, turn his blasters against whoever has the gauntlet and somehow regain the gauntlet in the wild scramble that follows. Someone yells at Quill: "Why would you do that? We had it!"

I actually really like the idea of Quill having the self-control to avoid creating the situation we see in the movie, only to have his emotions overrule his logic minutes later.
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I like that, using more action to prolong the turn. There's also amping it up with emotion. Speaking of retread tropes, I think that would have been a good spot to off Loki in the following way (just like Carina the Collector's assistant in GOTG1): the Avengers and the Guardians get the gauntlet off Thanos and some Red Shirt hero picks it up only to be destroyed by its overwhelming power. If it was Loki, you can play the scene like he's going for his own selfish gain; or you could play it more nobly, and have a character who looks as though he or she could wield the gauntlet but dies in vain.
 
JosephDredd said:
Nutshell the video: in every Marvel movie, making the right moral choices results in the hero winning the day. In the GOTG movies, the right moral choice has always been for Peter to act impulsively, following his instincts, but in this instance it fails him. In contributes to a larger overall theme in the movie of the characters making the correct moral choices, but still failing, which is a reversal of the rules that the previous Marvel movies were built on. It contributes to audience's sense of Thanos shattering their expectations through sheer force of will.

How I would have liked it distinguished:

This is what happened: heroes about to win, hero gets angry and does something stupid, he fails and the stakes are ratcheted up because they would have succeeded if he didn't sabotage them with stupidity.

Even if the reasons behind this are more thought out than in most movies that use this trope, it's still a trope that we've seen a million times before and right now very few things pull me out of a movie quicker than seeing heroes do something totally goddamned stupid because the plot needs him to in order to ratched up the stakes. Just like in Logan, when they decide to visit the family. I would have absolutely loved the movie if they did not do that. Or, at least find a way to put them in the family's house that was the result of sensible decision-making and not completely fucking stupid and inexplicable.

The actions we see on screen, step by step, are completely indistinguishable from movies that phone it in with shitty tropes. I would have like to have seen something fresh, such as... Quill doesn't succumb to his emotions, doesn't do anything stupid, and they actually get the gauntlet off Thanos. Then Thanos frees himself as Strange powers up an extremely powerful spell, Quill sees that Thanos could regain the gauntlet and charges him with his guns while screaming about Gamorrah, Tony yells for Quill to keep his distance, Strange yells that Quill is going to get hit with the spell, and that split second is what Thanos needs to grab Quill, turn his blasters against whoever has the gauntlet and somehow regain the gauntlet in the wild scramble that follows. Someone yells at Quill: "Why would you do that? We had it!"

I actually really like the idea of Quill having the self-control to avoid creating the situation we see in the movie, only to have his emotions overrule his logic minutes later.

That's just a suggestion, but at least then it would be different than the exact same trope we see every single fucking time.
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My suggestion would have been that Peter #2 gets control of his emotions, taunts Thanos, and it prods Thanos' emotions about killing Gamora causing him to rage out and break out of the hold Mantis had on him. It would be like Thanos' denial stage of grief and that's why he just crushes the heroes afterwards, knocking out the Guardians in 1 shot, pulling the moon down, doing all the cool stuff. So it would be similar to what was shown on screen, except Peter #2 doesn't explicitly cause it. He just sort of causes it unintentionally but that's only known to the audience because we've been watching Thanos' journey.

In the original scenario with Peter not pulling the trigger on Gamora I think Peter lame pistol whipping Thanos does make some sense. This is a guy who betrayed his word on his mother's name and now everything caught up to him and he also couldn't save Gamora. He wasn't ready to save the Universe then and he's not ready to save it now. He's angry not just at Thanos but doubly angry at himself. And he's not going to punch himself so he punches Thanos.
 
Secret Agent said:
I like that, using more action to prolong the turn. There's also amping it up with emotion. Speaking of retread tropes, I think that would have been a good spot to off Loki in the following way (just like Carina the Collector's assistant in GOTG1): the Avengers and the Guardians get the gauntlet off Thanos and some Red Shirt hero picks it up only to be destroyed by its overwhelming power. If it was Loki, you can play the scene like he's going for his own selfish gain; or you could play it more nobly, and have a character who looks as though he or she could wield the gauntlet but dies in vain.
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God damn do I like that idea.
 
Magooglie said:
My suggestion would have been that Peter #2 gets control of his emotions, taunts Thanos, and it prods Thanos' emotions about killing Gamora causing him to rage out and break out of the hold Mantis had on him. It would be like Thanos' denial stage of grief and that's why he just crushes the heroes afterwards, knocking out the Guardians in 1 shot, pulling the moon down, doing all the cool stuff. So it would be similar to what was shown on screen, except Peter #2 doesn't explicitly cause it. He just sort of causes it unintentionally but that's only known to the audience because we've been watching Thanos' journey.

In the original scenario with Peter not pulling the trigger on Gamora I think Peter lame pistol whipping Thanos does make some sense. This is a guy who betrayed his word on his mother's name and now everything caught up to him and he also couldn't save Gamora. He wasn't ready to save the Universe then and he's not ready to save it now. He's angry not just at Thanos but doubly angry at himself. And he's not going to punch himself so he punches Thanos.
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I like your idea a lot.
 
Magooglie said:
My suggestion would have been that Peter #2 gets control of his emotions, taunts Thanos...
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Hey, Thanos! I'm not just a long-term booty call!
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No Time Gem unsees this, you big purple dope!

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chickenluver said:
No one really knows until her solo movie is released in March of next year. It takes place 20 years or more in the past, and will have Nick Fury, Agent Coulson, and Ronan the Accuser in it, as well as introduce the Kree / Skrull wars (Ronan is a Kree). In the comics the original Captain Marvel was a Kree warrior named Mar-Vell. Somehow the lady Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) got her DNA infused with his (giggity) and that's how she got her powers. Mar-Vell is in the upcoming movie played by Jude Law.

Mar-Vell has past conflict with Thanos in the comics, so I assume they will use some of that. I think what Carol will bring to the table will be Kree power / tech that can control or counter the gems somehow.
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She has energy absorption powers so that might be her ace card against the stones rather than just being female superman.
 
MikeMcMann said:
While Dr Strange is awesome, he actually picked the singular path that gives him (and the others) a chance at life and winning in the end.
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You're right. As you say, though, he's awesome. His (hopefully)sequel is actually the single character movie I'm by far the most excited about. Also, I love those entities like Dormammu, Shuma Gorath, Cytorrak and who else is in the Strange universe. Still need to read up on those badasses.
 
chickenluver said:
It'll beat Wonder Woman imo. Could even be a $billion earner.
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Yeah I think it’s probably going to be a damn good movie which will help it but you factor in that it can be promoted in terms of women’s empowerment angle PLUS it will be the first MCU movie in eight months, and will be the beneficiary of insane hype for Avengers 4.
 
Magooglie said:
I hope GOTG3 is filled with jokes about Peter #2 not saving the universe.
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Hahah I was thinking the same- maybe there’s tension between Gamora and Quill over something and drax tries to smooth things over by saying something like- “Gamora, he truly loves you. I know this because he was so inconsolable when hearing of your death that he ruined any chance of our stopping Thanos and saving trillions.”
 
Caught BACK TO SCHOOL recently and I'd forgotten Robert Downey Jr's teef were a mess.

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It's funny how there aren't many clear images of dat grill so you might have to look closely:

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Secret Agent said:
Caught BACK TO SCHOOL recently and I'd forgotten Robert Downey Jr's teef were a mess.

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It's funny how there aren't many clear images of dat grill so you might have to look closely:

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“Get up would you? You look like the poster child for birth control...”


Back to School is hilarious. Classic.

Better than Caddyshack in my opinion. There I said it.

And to be honest as much as the bill Murray/gopher stuff is loved, I think the Dangerfield/Ted Knight stuff is the funniest aspect of Caddyshack. Murray is great too though. The plot with the teens bores me...
 
Secret Agent said:
Caught BACK TO SCHOOL recently and I'd forgotten Robert Downey Jr's teef were a mess.

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It's funny how there aren't many clear images of dat grill so you might have to look closely:

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When tom holland was a sperm
 
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