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AVENGERS: ENDGAME (Dragonlord's Review)

If you have seen AVENGERS: ENDGAME, how would you rate it?

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MikeMcMann said:
Surprised?

It's fine to have a minority opinion. its fine if someone thinks The GodFather Movie suck, The Wire Sucks and The Beetles sucked. We all are entitled to our own views and opinions. But when we exist in the absolute tiniest of minorities of opinions (which again is fine) we should step back and realize our tastes are no where near the norm and not shared by others.

I guess what I am trying to say is

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That was a long winded way of saying people have differing opinions. The reason I was surprised by the results of the poll is because everyone I know or have seen/heard discuss this movie has strongly disliked it. I have met nobody that liked this movie, then I found this thread and naturally the results of the poll were unexpected. Sorry if I hurt your feelings by not liking this dumpster fire of a film.
 
Fatality said:
That was a long winded way of saying people have differing opinions. The reason I was surprised by the results of the poll is because everyone I know or have seen/heard discuss this movie has strongly disliked it. I have met nobody that liked this movie, then I found this thread and naturally the results of the poll were unexpected. Sorry if I hurt your feelings by not liking this dumpster fire of a film.
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Sure people have different opinions. That is true if 99.9% say the godfather is great and 0.01 say is sucked.

It is just weird to see the 0.01% claim surprise when they know the results are 99.9% in favour. I have no issue with you holding to your view, so that is not what I am saying. I am surprised that you can be surprised now seeing the results. At a certain point I think the 'surprise' would be replaced with a realization that you an outlier. And there is nothing wrong with that. No hurt feelings because I get 'surprised' sometimes by myopic individuals.
 
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Fatality said:
That was a long winded way of saying people have differing opinions. The reason I was surprised by the results of the poll is because everyone I know or have seen/heard discuss this movie has strongly disliked it. I have met nobody that liked this movie, then I found this thread and naturally the results of the poll were unexpected. Sorry if I hurt your feelings by not liking this dumpster fire of a film.
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Well...you're obviously meeting the wrong people then.
 
In the case of End Game I spose you could argue it has a bit more of a divide than something like the Godfather because it exposes that the Marvel franchise appeals to people in somewhat different fashions.

If the main appeal is as an action spectacle then I can understand disappointment in End Game relative to Infinity War, you really only have one big action section in a three hours film. Rather it obviously aims at focusing on the character drama its built up previously in a more extended fashion.
 
Fatality said:
That was a long winded way of saying people have differing opinions. The reason I was surprised by the results of the poll is because everyone I know or have seen/heard discuss this movie has strongly disliked it. I have met nobody that liked this movie, then I found this thread and naturally the results of the poll were unexpected. Sorry if I hurt your feelings by not liking this dumpster fire of a film.
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Lol okay all 3 people you know disliked it
 
FyrFytr998 said:
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Well...you're obviously meeting the wrong people then.
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Beyond that is strains credulity.

Again fine if you don't like it. But this is one of the most popular movies of all time. Soon to maybe be the singular most popular and yet he has not met a single person who liked it. that leads one to think he seeks out confirmation bias or tunes out anyone who thinks otherwise.
 
MikeMcMann said:
Beyond that is strains credulity.

Again fine if you don't like it. But this is one of the most popular movies of all time. Soon to maybe be the singular most popular and yet he has not met a single person who liked it. that leads one to think he seeks out confirmation bias or tunes out anyone who thinks otherwise.
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MikeMcMann said:
Beyond that is strains credulity.

Again fine if you don't like it. But this is one of the most popular movies of all time. Soon to maybe be the singular most popular and yet he has not met a single person who liked it. that leads one to think he seeks out confirmation bias or tunes out anyone who thinks otherwise.
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I can't argue with "one of the most popular movies of all time" as you could get to that stance reasonably by a variety of metrics. What is a bit odd is that you seem to be saying that it will become possibly the most popular movie of all time as soon as it makes more money than the previous top earner movie out there... Are you sure about that? If we adopted that metric for "most popular movie of all time" then I guess Avatar has held that title for the past ten years, and after it gets beaten by Avengers, Avatar will be the second most popular movie of all time. Does that seem right to you?

What I will say as a general observation is that this thread, and the hopes for the movie's earnings expressed within it, has shown a genuine and fairly motivated form of tribalism forming around a movie series. It's a bit disturbing.
 
Not A Theist said:
I can't argue with "one of the most popular movies of all time" as you could get to that stance reasonably by a variety of metrics. What is a bit odd is that you seem to be saying that it will become possibly the most popular movie of all time as soon as it makes more money than the previous top earner movie out there... Are you sure about that? If we adopted that metric for "most popular movie of all time" then I guess Avatar has held that title for the past ten years, and after it gets beaten by Avengers, Avatar will be the second most popular movie of all time. Does that seem right to you?

What I will say as a general observation is that this thread, and the hopes for the movie's earnings expressed within it, has shown a genuine and fairly motivated form of tribalism forming around a movie series. It's a bit disturbing.
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yes, in that context 'popular' is measured by popularity. "Supported by many or masses of people'. Not 'quality'. Not 'best', but I think 'popular' is the word to use for something that draws the most masses. And yes re your Avatar questions.

And FWIW i could care less if someone does or does not like the movie.

My comment is directed at his surprise. How can you still be surprised today that others like it? At some point, a self aware person realizes y view is the outlier (and that is OK) and should accept that others think differently and not like it. The movies done over $2B, so accept that others like it. That does not mean you have to.

It would be like walking into a room of Beatles fans and arguing with them that you are shocked they like them simply because they are not your taste.
 
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MikeMcMann said:
yes, in that context 'popular' is measured by popularity. "Supported by many or masses of people'. Not 'quality'. Not 'best', but I think 'popular' is the word to use for something that draws the most masses. And yes re your Avatar questions.

And FWIW i could care less if someone does or does not like the movie.

My comment is directed at his surprise. How can you still be surprised today that others like it? At some point, a self aware person realizes y view is the outlier (and that is OK) and should accept that others think differently and not like it. The movies done over $2B, so accept that others like it. That does not mean you have to.

It would be like walking into a room of Beatles fans and arguing with them that you are shocked they like them simply because they are not your taste.
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Honestly not at all concerned with your previous discussion and rather this standard you're pushing for popularity. I just have trouble swallowing the "movie X made more money than movie Y in theaters, therefore movie X is more popular." I mean, does this mean that Avatar is more popular than any of the original Star Wars trilogy? That's funny, because I would bet my next paycheque that if you walk down almost any street in the world almost anyone you meet will tell you differently.

Aside from that, it's just such a narrow metric that it comically misses so much of what has proven to make a movie popular. Based on that metric, "Four Weddings and a Funeral" ($240'ish mil gross - https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fourweddingsandafuneral.htm ) is a drastically more popular movie than "The Shawshank Redemption" ($28 mil gross), both released in the same year.

Ironically Avatar is an ideal example of why a "it sold the most tickets" metric doesn't really capture popularity. I mean, it obviously did incredibly, but was forgotten quite quickly after the fact. Its popularity simply didn't last, whereas many other movies that sold fewer tickets have pretty obviously proven more popular in the long run.

Popularity has a lot to do with cultural impact and longevity. "Sold the most tickets" doesn't seem like it captures that, and it seems stupid and simplistic way to capture even the lower bar of "supported by the masses". There are plenty of high-grossing movies that are forgotten the very next year.

I think Endgame has a very good chance of going down as a truly popular movie that stands the test of time - that I don't disagree with. I just don't believe that "sold the most tickets" is a great way to gauge that. It wasn't that long ago that the new Chris Pratt Jurassic Park had record breaking box office numbers, followed by The Force Awakens. The former in particular was quickly forgotten after it was "supported by the masses." Ticket sales seems like a very shallow way of judging popularity.
 
Not A Theist said:
Honestly not at all concerned with your previous discussion and rather this standard you're pushing for popularity. I just have trouble swallowing the "movie X made more money than movie Y in theaters, therefore movie X is more popular." I mean, does this mean that Avatar is more popular than any of the original Star Wars trilogy? That's funny, because I would bet my next paycheque that if you walk down almost any street in the world almost anyone you meet will tell you differently.

Aside from that, it's just such a narrow metric that it comically misses so much of what has proven to make a movie popular. Based on that metric, "Four Weddings and a Funeral" ($240'ish mil gross - https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fourweddingsandafuneral.htm ) is a drastically more popular movie than "The Shawshank Redemption" ($28 mil gross), both released in the same year.

Avatar is an ideal example of why a "it sold the most tickets" metric doesn't really capture popularity ironically. I mean, it obviously did incredibly, but was forgotten quite quickly after the fact. Its popularity simply didn't last, whereas many other movies that sold fewer tickets have pretty obviously proven more popular in the long run.

Popularity has a lot to do with cultural impact and longevity. "Sold the most tickets" doesn't seem like it captures that, and it seems stupid and simplistic way to capture even the lower bar of "supported by the masses". There are plenty of high-grossing movies that are forgotten the very next year.

I think Endgame has a very good chance of going down as a truly popular movie that stands the test of time - that I don't disagree with. I just don't believe that "sold the most tickets" is a great way to gauge that. It wasn't that long ago that the new Chris Pratt Jurassic Park had record breaking box office numbers, followed by The Force Awakens. The former in particular was quickly forgotten after it was "supported by the masses." Ticket sales seems like a very shallow way of judging popularity.
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Well lets agree that 'popularity' will always be a subjective word.

But lets also agree that 'total attendance' and 'total dollars' made will be two criteria which weigh heavily into that discussion.

I would certainly be open to someone putting forth other factors for popularity and them saying 'I value these other criteria more than total attendance or dollars made'. that is fine as there is some subjectivity to it. But I don't think we can argue against AEG or Avatar or the Star Wars movies being popular. you would likely get different answers from different people. Its kind of like the GOAT debate in MMA. Depending on what criteria you value the most you may have different GOAT than someone else does. And that is fine.

i would never agree with you though if you stated Avatar was not a popular movie, not under the metrics you use or under the metrics anyone should use.
 
MikeMcMann said:
Well lets agree that 'popularity' will always be a subjective word.

But lets also agree that 'total attendance' and 'total dollars' made will be two criteria which weigh heavily into that discussion.

I would certainly be open to someone putting forth other factors for popularity and them saying 'I value these other criteria more than total attendance or dollars made'. that is fine as there is some subjectivity to it. But I don't think we can argue against AEG or Avatar or the Star Wars movies being popular. you would likely get different answers from different people. Its kind of like the GOAT debate in MMA. Depending on what criteria you value the most you may have different GOAT than someone else does. And that is fine.

i would never agree with you though if you stated Avatar was not a popular movie, not under the metrics you use or under the metrics anyone should use.
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If you want to niggle on bullshit technicalities - and I notice that that's pretty much what you do, ad nauseam - yep, popularity is subjective. The problem is, it's subjective like something like beauty, and right now I feel like I'm talking to some guy with a foot fetish who is insisting that a 4 with awesome feet is more beautiful than Bree Larson because she has cryptkeeper feet. Yes, beauty is subjective, but you're arguing along very specifically, and artificially, focused lines here and, as usual with you, it feels like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

At this point, you're nitpicking details and exceptional circumstances so you don't have to admit outright that a movie like Star Wars: A New Hope, a virtual cultural icon, household name, beloved by people decades after its release, and the cause of a literal paradigm shift in movies, isn't necessarily more popular than Avatar because Avatar grossed more in the box office. If you did that you'd have to admit the whole premise that ticket sales is definitive for popularity isn't a good one. And yes, I fully expect a "I didn't say that!" with all sorts of weaseling around for as long as I care to continue the discussion but, as per usual, you're pussyfooting around trying not to say it and leave it like there is some sort of give and take agreement here. There isn't. If you say Avatar is more popular than one of the original Star Wars trilogy because it sold more, you're being stupid - full stop. If you don't say that, you have to modify your original premise - but I don't expect you will.

This whole discussion, on your end, is stupid because, yes, it is a bit like the GOAT thing in MMA. Even if there is wiggle room though what we can say for sure is that it's simply not Conor McGregor or Brock Lesnar however many asses they put in the seats. That's pretty similar to the argument you're making now. I get it that you almost had whatever high you get from your endless arguing in here when you feel like you've almost put some guy down - but your premise was crap. If IW is the most popular movie because of ticket sales, then Avatar was the most popular movie because of ticket sales - and that just flies in the face of common sense given what movies have actually proven to be incredibly popular over time. You could easily modify your original premise more to make it less strong, or add something to make it a more focused claim, but that's not your style - you pick a hill to die on and rarely, if ever, let it go.
 
Not A Theist said:
If you want to niggle on bullshit technicalities - and I notice that that's pretty much what you do, ad nauseam - yep, popularity is subjective. The problem is, it's subjective like something like beauty, and right now I feel like I'm talking to some guy with a foot fetish who is insisting that a 4 with awesome feet is more beautiful than Bree Larson because she has cryptkeeper feet. Yes, beauty is subjective, but you're arguing along very specifically, and artificially, focused lines here and, as usual with you, it feels like you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

At this point, you're nitpicking details and exceptional circumstances so you don't have to admit outright that a movie like Star Wars: A New Hope, a virtual cultural icon, household name, beloved by people decades after its release, and the cause of a literal paradigm shift in movies, isn't necessarily more popular than Avatar because Avatar grossed more in the box office. If you did that you'd have to admit the whole premise that ticket sales is definitive for popularity isn't a good one. And yes, I fully expect a "I didn't say that!" with all sorts of weaseling around for as long as I care to continue the discussion but, as per usual, you're pussyfooting around trying not to say it and leave it like there is some sort of give and take agreement here. There isn't. If you say Avatar is more popular than one of the original Star Wars trilogy because it sold more, you're being stupid - full stop. If you don't say that, you have to modify your original premise - but I don't expect you will.

This whole discussion, on your end, is stupid because, yes, it is a bit like the GOAT thing in MMA. Even if there is wiggle room though what we can say for sure is that it's simply not Conor McGregor or Brock Lesnar however many asses they put in the seats. That's pretty similar to the argument you're making now. I get it that you almost had whatever high you get from your endless arguing in here when you feel like you've almost put some guy down - but your premise was crap. If IW is the most popular movie because of ticket sales, then Avatar was the most popular movie because of ticket sales - and that just flies in the face of common sense given what movies have actually proven to be incredibly popular over time. You could easily modify your original premise more to make it less strong, or add something to make it a more focused claim, but that's not your style - you pick a hill to die on and rarely, if ever, let it go.
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i don't think its niggling. I see no other way to describe it than subjective.

Certainly you do not think you can proclaim for all or any one else the meaning of popular and proclaim them wrong if they not adopt your view, right?

And I am not arguing what you think at all. Not sure why you are triggered by this. I have actually not put one ounce of thought to whether in this discussion or outside, Star Wars was more popular than Avatar. My point was never to create a rank list. I was only making a very generalist point.

i stated this movie was popular, and soon might be the most popular, not because I was using any deep analytics. Yes, i was referring very much to simple surface popularity based on total viewership.

That statement seems to have rankled you far more than i realized as you seem to need me now to concede that was wrong and that in fact it was not more popular.

look if you said 'i want to examine why you call it popular and see what criteria you are considering as i might disagree', then I might have 'dude, I am not interested. Its a throw away comment to begin with' or I might have said 'ok lets examine the subjective criteria of popular and see how these measure up'.


Point being my simple comment pointing out that Avengers was just about to pass Avatar for top box office all time and using the word popular should not have rankled you as much as it clearly does.

even if you massively disagree that Avengers or Avatar are not more popular than Star Wars And you can write a 3 page thesis on what criteria you think beyond box office makes you right (and I agree) that does not mean another person, who is not you, cannot still think rightly that for now Avatar is the most popular and base that solely on box office. A person, not you, can rightly say 'i think box office is the single most important criteria in popular' and that is a valid opinion even if you do not share it.
 
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