AVENGERS: ENDGAME (Dragonlord's Review)

[Magooglie]

That could be. Without the time stone the sorceror supreme is a lot less powerful.

But then how do they bring Adam Warlock in to the movies? His whole existence revolves around his symbiotic relationship with the soul gem.

Maybe the gold people try to create a synthetic soul stone. And maybe that's the key to bringing back Gamora. Stoneless universe presents many possibilities. Thanks Thanos.

 

[minute bull]

So he took an alternate captain america's shield and left him without one? He wouldn't do that.

Ah, well perhaps consider that while Steve Rogers wouldn't take the shield, Steve Rogers would be altruistic enough to give up the shield.

That's a story that may or may not be told, but yeah ENDGAME leaves a lot of questions or rather opens up a lot of divergent possibilities. I don't know whether it'll continue but ENDGAME might just be the apex of what might be their version of CRISIS OF INFINITE EARTHS.

 

[Dirge]

Ah, well perhaps consider that while Steve Rogers wouldn't take the shield, Steve Rogers would be altruistic enough to give up the shield.

That's a story that may or may not be told, but yeah ENDGAME leaves a lot of questions, or rather opens up a lot of divergent possibilities. I don't know whether it'll continue, but ENDGAME might just be the apex of what might be their version of CRISIS OF INFINITE EARTHS.

I guess although Endgame was supposed to tie up loose ends while the goal of Crisis was to reboot the DC universe.

I just think its sloppy that we see Cap's shield being cut to shreds and 15 minutes later he is giving a perfect one to Falcon with no explanation.

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

They were but Secret Wars was all about the Skrull invasion of earth (even replacing superheroes). They missed out on a huge opportunity to have one of the avengers secretly be a skrull (black widow for example)

That's Secret Invasion.

 

[Dirge]

That's Secret Invasion.

Right sorry, mixed them up. Secret Wars was with the Beyonder right?

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

For those who didnt "see any wokeness", these are some examples of the top of my head:
- One of the first scenes is a guy (one of the Russos) talking about going on a date with another guy even though he could be talking about A MILLION different scenarios that has affected him after the snap happened. They HAD TO drive home that he was gay to tick off the "gay box".
- They turn masculine, sex symbol Thor into a "fat, angry, white, male gamer" type who is useless and just runs around crying.
- They call both Ant-Man and Star-Lord idiots for no reason really.
- They turn masculine, wrecking machine Hulk into a goofy beta nerd.
- You have them make the "female avengers" lineup that stuck out like a sore thumb and was just dumb in and of itself. As far as I know a battlefield isnt segregated by gender.
- Thanos trashes the original 3 superheroes (one being a god), yet Captain Marvel is unfazed when he headbutts her and is almost breaking his hand apart. She also comes in and saves the day like a good Mary Sue in the end of the movie. Its not just bad storytelling, its completely unnecessary. All the things she did in the end of the movie should have been done by Scarlet Witch who actually had a personal grudge against Thanos and is tearing him apart to the point that he forces his ship to open fire on his own troops to get away. They could just have made Scarlet Witch hulk out like in Age of Ultron and use a giant blast to disable the weapons on the ship. Then you'd still have a female superhero do the things and it would actually fit in with the story.
- They basically went all "masculinity bad, women good".

And I would like to go on say that Nebula and Black Widow (as well as Wandas scene with Thanos) + RDJ were the best parts of the movie so I am not a "woman hating incel". I think its awesome when female roles are well made and fit with the story because good characters are good characters, regardless of gender. When you have a Mary Sue like Captain Marvel just to score some easy woke points, thats what I have a problem with (or bashing men to make women seem better).

They call Star Lord an idiot because he is an idiot. That’s the character.

That’s why people like him.

 

[Magooglie]

Aside from the time travel continuity inconsistencies, the reason why Steve going back to 1940s to stay with Peggy does not make sense is that in order for this to be pulled off successfully, Steve will have to lead a normal boring life (probably just hiding inside the house). But knowing one of my favorite Marvel and MCU character, I don't believe Steve can stay away from helping out people. And with his knowledge of history, I don't believe Steve will sit idly by and let history take its course. Imagine him knowing about the historical dates that terrorism, killings, notable deaths, massacres, genocide and all kinds of acts of atrocities will take place and do nothing.

Yeah, it's difficult to think that Steve would just sit on the sidelines. I suppose it could explained any number of ways.
- The flow of time is so strong that even if he tries to change things he fails or that's already factored into what happened in the main timeline. Like things could have been worse but they're not because 1950s and 60s cap was around in the shadows.
- He gets a visit from the Ancient One and is told not to do anything weird.
- He willingly accepts he has to live a quiet life because he accepts that the EG timeline is where he wants things to end up. It's interesting watching WS because Peggy says the "You couldn't live your life" line. And back then it was because we thought he was on ice, but maybe she says that because he just ended up being a normal guy.

 

[Thai Otoshi]

PERFECT MOVIE

SAW IT WITH THE FAM AND THE KIDS STFU AND WE HAD FUN AND LAUGHED AND CRIED AND IT WAS AMAZING

 

[Dirge]

For those who didnt "see any wokeness", these are some examples of the top of my head:
- One of the first scenes is a guy (one of the Russos) talking about going on a date with another guy even though he could be talking about A MILLION different scenarios that has affected him after the snap happened. They HAD TO drive home that he was gay to tick off the "gay box".
- They turn masculine, sex symbol Thor into a "fat, angry, white, male gamer" type who is useless and just runs around crying.
- They call both Ant-Man and Star-Lord idiots for no reason really.
- They turn masculine, wrecking machine Hulk into a goofy beta nerd.
- You have them make the "female avengers" lineup that stuck out like a sore thumb and was just dumb in and of itself. As far as I know a battlefield isnt segregated by gender.
- Thanos trashes the original 3 superheroes (one being a god), yet Captain Marvel is unfazed when he headbutts her and is almost breaking his hand apart. She also comes in and saves the day like a good Mary Sue in the end of the movie. Its not just bad storytelling, its completely unnecessary. All the things she did in the end of the movie should have been done by Scarlet Witch who actually had a personal grudge against Thanos and is tearing him apart to the point that he forces his ship to open fire on his own troops to get away. They could just have made Scarlet Witch hulk out like in Age of Ultron and use a giant blast to disable the weapons on the ship. Then you'd still have a female superhero do the things and it would actually fit in with the story.
- They basically went all "masculinity bad, women good".

And I would like to go on say that Nebula and Black Widow (as well as Wandas scene with Thanos) + RDJ were the best parts of the movie so I am not a "woman hating incel". I think its awesome when female roles are well made and fit with the story because good characters are good characters, regardless of gender. When you have a Mary Sue like Captain Marvel just to score some easy woke points, thats what I have a problem with (or bashing men to make women seem better).

Try watching Star Trek Discovery.... All the main characters in Season 1 were either women or gay.


I found Thanos easily beating the guys was a little odd. Stark held his own against Thanos (who had the gauntlet and some of the stones) by himself with a 5 year older version of his armor and yet Stark, Thor with Storm Breaker and Cap with Mjolnir got wiped out. It was very unbalanced.

 

[minute bull]

I guess although Endgame was supposed to tie up loose ends while the goal of Crisis was to reboot the DC universe.

What I mean is that the MCU has gotten into the same predicament that led DC to having to do CRISIS. Your question about the shield, the questions about Loki and Gamorra -- paradoxes abound. I don't know how it'll proceed, but I have to assume GOTG3 will be like SEARCH FOR GAMORRA, simply because Zoe Saldana is so beloved -- and as such we'll get more answers as the movies continue.

I just think its sloppy that we see Cap's shield being cut to shreds and 15 minutes later he is giving a perfect one to Falcon with no explanation.

I'm going to see it again in the theater, but yeah my initial feeling is that the Russos overdid a lot of things.

 

[Dirge]

Yeah, it's difficult to think that Steve would just sit on the sidelines. I suppose it could explained any number of ways.
- The flow of time is so strong that even if he tries to change things he fails or that's already factored into what happened in the main timeline. Like things could have been worse but they're not because 1950s and 60s cap was around in the shadows.
- He gets a visit from the Ancient One and is told not to do anything weird.
- He willingly accepts he has to live a quiet life because he accepts that the EG timeline is where he wants things to end up. It's interesting watching WS because Peggy says the "You couldn't live your life" line. And back then it was because we thought he was on ice, but maybe she says that because he just ended up being a normal guy.

How could he not in some way warn Peggy that the organization that she "founded" was being infiltrated by Hydra? That's a pretty big secret to keep for decades of marriage. And he never went to any work functions with her? Stark was there and knew Cap, Zola was there and he knew cap very well. How does her husband of decades never get seen by the people she worked with for decades?

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

Right sorry, mixed them up. Secret Wars was with the Beyonder right?

Yep! And no worries on mixing them up. There's a of Secret shit lol

 

[Dirge]

I was thinking a good way to tie the Avengers to the X-Men would be with a House of M storyline where Wanda goes crazy and wipes out mutants.

 

[Thai Otoshi]

I HOPE YOURE TAKING NOTES DC THIS IS HOW ITS FUCKING DONE

 

[Dirge]

PERFECT MOVIE

SAW IT WITH THE FAM AND THE KIDS STFU AND WE HAD FUN AND LAUGHED AND CRIED AND IT WAS AMAZING

It was a great movie but it wasn't perfect.

One of my biggest issues was all the time they spent on Hawkeye and Wanda. I mean really who cares? They were the Avengers that no one really gave a crap about.

And another thing that bugged me, why did they send Hawkeye and Wanda for the soul gem when Nebula knew exactly what you had to do to get the soul gem, namely sacrifice someone you love? They were acting shocked when Red Skull told them one of them would have to die. And how is it sacrficing the one you love when wanda (and hawkeye) both voluntarily chose to die? Thanos killed Gamora to get the soul gem. How is it a "sacrifice" when both parties are jumping off the cliff willingly?

It didn't even remotely line up with the concept of sacrifice behind acquiring the soul gem.

What would have happened if they sent two heroes that didn't " love" each other (hawkeye and rocket for example)? How would they have made a sacrifice?

One of the weakest things about the movie given it played such a big part in the first infinity war.

 

[Thai Otoshi]

It was a great movie but it wasn't perfect.

One of my biggest issues was all the time they spent on Hawkeye and Wanda. I mean really who cares? They were the Avengers that no one really gave a crap about.

And another thing that bugged me, why did they send Hawkeye and Wanda for the soul gem when Nebula knew exactly what you had to do to get the soul gem, namely sacrifice someone you love? They were acting shocked when Red Skull told them one of them would have to die. And how is it sacrficing the one you love when wanda (and hawkeye) both voluntarily chose to die? Thanos killed Gamora to get the soul gem. How is it a "sacrifice" when both parties are jumping off the cliff willingly?

It didn't even remotely line up with the concept of sacrifice behind acquiring the soul gem.

What would have happened if they sent two heroes that didn't " love" each other (hawkeye and rocket for example)? How would they have made a sacrifice?

One of the weakest things about the movie given it played such a big part in the first infinity war.

DONT RUIN MY POST-ENGAME BUZZ BRAH

 

[jojoRed]

Man I may get hate for this but jesus the pacing was out of wack.

It felt like at least 25-40% of the movie couldve been cut and itd have been better. It felt like they really tried the Thor Ragnorak strategy of turning it more comedic to ease the pacing.

Captain Marvel is the biggest ass pull in the cinematic universe, huge deus ex machina. Pretty much made the movie, "When is Marvel gonna turn up and save everything again".

But man the highs were so high.

 

[Dirge]

DONT RUIN MY POST-ENGAME BUZZ BRAH

Like I said I enjoyed it a lot (as did my step daughter). But it was after the movie when I started thinking through it that there were so many things that didn't make a lot of sense.

Hard to believe the universe was saved by a rat pushing just the right sequence of buttons on a truck that should have had a dead battery...

 

[chrisdiaz]

It was a great movie but it wasn't perfect.

One of my biggest issues was all the time they spent on Hawkeye and Wanda. I mean really who cares? They were the Avengers that no one really gave a crap about.

And another thing that bugged me, why did they send Hawkeye and Wanda for the soul gem when Nebula knew exactly what you had to do to get the soul gem, namely sacrifice someone you love? They were acting shocked when Red Skull told them one of them would have to die. And how is it sacrficing the one you love when wanda (and hawkeye) both voluntarily chose to die? Thanos killed Gamora to get the soul gem. How is it a "sacrifice" when both parties are jumping off the cliff willingly?

It didn't even remotely line up with the concept of sacrifice behind acquiring the soul gem.

What would have happened if they sent two heroes that didn't " love" each other (hawkeye and rocket for example)? How would they have made a sacrifice?

One of the weakest things about the movie given it played such a big part in the first infinity war.

I dont think nebula knew about the sacrifice. If you watch the scene again she says its where thanos killed gamora. She didnt know it was from a sacrifice to get the stone IMO.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Eat a salad might have been the funniest line in the movie, but pathetic

2014 Gamora is still alive. You can see Quill trying to search for her at the end.

I'm not a fan of these time travel/multiverse loopholes that allow a character that died to come back but I still like the fact that Infinity War's Gamora remained dead dead.

Thats what I'm reading on line, but it makes zero sense that she would ghost after making friends with her sister.
Also, where would she go? Poughkeepsie, NY? She has not space ship? Regardless of which answer is correct, mine is the better explanation. Per usual of course. Aint got no time for no memory Gamora.