Aspinall (256) showing off his elite wrestling vs 227 lb opponent

[AndrewGolota48]

Perhaps Tom would've done a little better if he bulked up and had a 50 lb advantage instead of just a measly 30? I wonder how a 250 lb Jon Jones would've done in similar wrestling situations.....hmmm, I'm sure Tom would've stuffed everything because after all, he mixed in some takedowns against Volkov, therefore he's clearly and elite grappler these days.

 

[Zanmato]

10 years ago. Within 12 months of his debut fight. Against a grappling specialist who has represented his sport at the national level. So what?

 

[Deleted member 609094]

10 years ago. Within 12 months of his debut fight. Against a grappling specialist who has represented his sport at the national level. So what?

Exactly this.
Austin is a judoka is he not and was pretty hot back then.

What a stupid take for OP.

 

[Hymen Crusher]

They are both hw i dont even get it. If weight made you a great wrestler tafa would be a gold medal winner

 

[JBJ was here]

So apparently you can have a Sherdog account that's old enough to vote but not nearly old enough to start a non-white-belt thread.

 

[Deleted member 517683]

Perhaps Tom would've done a little better if he bulked up and had a 50 lb advantage instead of just a measly 30? I wonder how a 250 lb Jon Jones would've done in similar wrestling situations.....hmmm, I'm sure Tom would've stuffed everything because after all, he mixed in some takedowns against Volkov, therefore he's clearly and elite grappler these days.

Try harder....will only get more lame.

 

[2009lurker]

You know things are getting desperate when they bring out footage from 10 years ago to shit on someone’s skill level at present. Elite level coping.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

10 years ago. Within 12 months of his debut fight. Against a grappling specialist who has represented his sport at the national level. So what?

The point is talent when it comes to different aspects of MMA. Aspinall to this day struggled to wrestle with an untrained rugby player because the guy was just as big an athletic as him. It's like how Jake Shields is good at grappling but not striking.

Blah blah blah he was young, give me a break, his background was grappling! You can't show me a good grappler whose base was grappling that was getting manhandled by someone 30 lbs lighter, it just doesn't happen.

Even green as fuck Francis was already defending way more effectively against Blaydes in their first fight (and they're much closer in size), and Francis did not come from a grappling base. It's called talent and innate abilities. Tom has them for striking but not grappling.

 

[188912345]

It's over, Jones already retired.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

They are both hw i dont even get it. If weight made you a great wrestler tafa would be a gold medal winner

Weight matters a lot in wrestling, too many examples to count. And even someone considered a small HW in modern times like Almeida has come in 15 lbs heavier than Stuart Austin here.

 

[JKS]

The point is talent when it comes to different aspects of MMA. Aspinall to this day struggled to wrestle with an untrained rugby player because the guy was just as big an athletic as him. It's like how Jake Shields is good at grappling but not striking.

Blah blah blah he was young, give me a break, his background was grappling! You can't show me a good grappler whose base was grappling that was getting manhandled by someone 30 lbs lighter, it just doesn't happen.

Even green as fuck Francis was already defending way more effectively against Blaydes in their first fight (and they're much closer in size), and Francis did not come from a grappling base. It's called talent and innate abilities. Tom has them for striking but not grappling.

Blah Blah he was young?? That's ridiculous to say, he was literally one year into his mma debut. Let me ask you, how does current Tom do in that fight??

BTW...of the top of my head.....

Frank Mir was outgrappled and dominated, TKO's by Cruz with a 30lb + weight advantage.
Big Nog was outgrappled by Hendo in Rings and lost, again 30lb + weight advantage.
Couture got submitted and outgrappled by Enson, again 30lbs + weight advantage

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Blah Blah he was young?? That's ridiculous to say, he was literally one year into his mma debut. Let me ask you, how does current Tom do in that fight??

BTW...of the top of my head.....

Frank Mir was outgrappled and dominated, TKO's by Cruz with a 30lb + weight advantage.
Big Nog was outgrappled by Hendo in Rings and lost, again 30lb + weight advantage.
Couture got submitted and outgrappled by Enson, again 30lbs + weight advantage

Nog and Mir are terrible wrestlers that are great at submissions, but that's interesting about Couture and Enson, I will have to watch it and see what I think.

 

[Tweak896]

You know things are getting desperate when they bring out footage from 10 years ago to shit on someone’s skill level at present. Elite level coping.

I miss the build up to the Islam/Olivera fight and people kept spamming the Islam Martins KO gifs, those guys must have deleted that gif from their bookmarks by now lol.

 

[JKS]

Nog and Mir are terrible wrestlers that are great at submissions, but that's interesting about Couture and Enson, I will have to watch it and see what I think.

You said show me a good grappler lol. I showed you a good grappler.

 

[Ares Black]

Perhaps Tom would've done a little better if he bulked up and had a 50 lb advantage instead of just a measly 30? I wonder how a 250 lb Jon Jones would've done in similar wrestling situations.....hmmm, I'm sure Tom would've stuffed everything because after all, he mixed in some takedowns against Volkov, therefore he's clearly and elite grappler these days.