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[Dizzy]

Yeah I know you just love virtue signaling it's like your whole persona, but trans "women" are mentally ill men in drag.

If you think that's bigoted so be it lol. I don't care.

You’re going on and on about a Nazi sympathizer and want to call other people mentally ill?

You off your meds?

 

[Mike]

You’re going on and on about a Nazi sympathizer and want to call other people mentally ill?

You off your meds?

Right so again you're doubling down on calling someone a Nazi sympathizer because he agreed with a person that's a Nazi, about a completely unrelated thing. And you think I'm the one that comes out sounding like I'm off my meds there.

Ok bud we all know you have to live in your little safe space where you label anyone that disagrees with you as Literally Hitler. That way you never have to back up any of your beliefs with facts or logic.


Just ada hominem attacks. That's always the mark of someone with a lot of substance to say on a topic. They just jump right into insults and false accusations.

 

[Mike]

You seem really tied up in another lonely individual that seems to validate your bigotry.

Good luck with that.

And you seem obsessed with labelling everyone a Nazi and literally never backing up any opinion you have with anything of substance. You're so sure you're right why back up your beliefs with anything concrete.


You're a fascist that thinks you're a liberal because you believe whatever you're told to without doing any analysis or reflection. After all anyone that disagrees is just a bad person right, that's all you need fuck facts only feelings.


You're a drone.

 

[shunyata]

You haven't seen much of the Warroom lately.
They're not shy about letting their opinions be known.

There're days my leftism feels left behind as a tree hugging hippy who thinks civil rights for all are trans rights too.

 

[Mike]

Of course his chat goes crazy at the mention of Nick who is an out and out Nazi

"You know who's popping off a lot on tiktok? Nick. You know the Nick I'm talking about. Everybody knows"


For once back up your bullshit. Tell me SPECIFICALLY what makes him a Nazi sympathizer in this comment? Mentioning a guy's name that is a Nazi and agreeing with him on a completely different issue (Americans don't want to go to war for Palestinians) ain't it.


Trying to paint Asmon as a Nazi because he mentioned a guy with Nazi beliefs is fucking dishonest. But I don't think you actually know any better. I think you really believe it's ok to slander people in that way. If you were a public facing individual making comments like that you absolutely would be sued for.defamation.

In the real world outside shit posting on karate forums you can't just make up whatever you want about people consequence free because you want to slander them, to make their opinions seem invalid.

 

[Zazen]

So you don't find anything ridiculous about @Dizzy saying asmon is a Nazi sympathizer for agreeing with Nick Fuentes, when the clip he provides isn't Asmon agreeing with any "Nazi" comments?


He's framing it like if you agree with a Nazi on any other issue you're now a Nazi. That's why I made that ridiculous analogy. Because that behavior is dishonest and ridiculous. You don't have to debate someone's points on their merits if you can just declare at the start of the discussion that they're a bigot so their opinions are invalid. He does the same thing with the trans stuff and anything else he feels strongly about. If I don't agree someone born a man is actually a woman I'm a bigot.

Well it turns out the entirety of the UK are bigots now. Imo if you're speaking about something you believe in and can back your pov with facts and logic, such scummy and underhanded debate "tactics" shouldn't be necessary. I certainly never feel a need to do that to defend anything I believe in.

Dude you’re unhinged. I brought up one single point about about his Gaza video not being out of context and you keep rambling about other stuff.

 

[Zazen]

Delete double post

 

[Mike]

There're days my leftism feels left behind as a tree hugging hippy who thinks civil rights for all are trans rights too.

What are trans rights though? They already had equality. Being able to invade woman's spaces as a man shouldn't be a right. They may feel like they're a different gender, but that's what it is feelings.

It's kind of crazy that without any scientific consensus backing them up, a lot of liberals are pushing this idea that we have to accept transgenders. I accept them in terms of agreeing they shouldn't face any abuse or harassment. Just like any other group of people. I DO NOT accept that we should allow men to enter women's spaces and compete in sports with women, because they are NOT women. They are men.

And there is no broad, sweeping scientific consensus that says otherwise. Essentially the argument that they are women is based purely in feelings. And you can tell that's the case because the people supporting it can't argue their position logically at all. They immediately get emotional and start with the ad hominems. Usually the sign of someone that doesn't have anything substantive to say, but still wants to be right.


This UK supreme court ruling is a big deal. An entire first world nation not embroiled in American far left politics is calling bullshit on this. That should give people pause.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

There're days my leftism feels left behind as a tree hugging hippy who thinks civil rights for all are trans rights too.

DEI or Civil Rights?
You can only pick one.

Womens Rights or Trans Rights?
You can only pick one.

 

[Zazen]

So you don't find anything ridiculous about @Dizzy saying asmon is a Nazi sympathizer for agreeing with Nick Fuentes, when the clip he provides isn't Asmon agreeing with any "Nazi" comments?


He's framing it like if you agree with a Nazi on any other issue you're now a Nazi. That's why I made that ridiculous analogy. Because that behavior is dishonest and ridiculous. You don't have to debate someone's points on their merits if you can just declare at the start of the discussion that they're a bigot so their opinions are invalid. He does the same thing with the trans stuff and anything else he feels strongly about. If I don't agree someone born a man is actually a woman I'm a bigot.

Well it turns out the entirety of the UK are bigots now. Imo if you're speaking about something you believe in and can back your pov with facts and logic, such scummy and underhanded debate "tactics" shouldn't be necessary. I certainly never feel a need to do that to defend anything I believe in.

Im not Dizzy. Again dude I made one point about one video that actually wasn’t out of context lol

 

[Mike]

Im not Dizzy. Again dude I made one point about one video that actually wasn’t out of context lol

Right but it's a short thread and I have a post saying you're pulling things out of context, followed by a longer post responding individually to each vid he clipped. And then you quote the first snippet and ignore the longer post.


And that's.... my fault?

No lmao.

 

[Zazen]

Right but it's a short thread and I have a post saying you're pulling things out of context, followed by a longer post responding individually to each vid he clipped. And then you quote the first snippet and ignore the longer post.


And that's.... my fault?

No lmao.

Why do I have to respond to every single word? You claimed they were taken out of context. I pointed to one that wasn’t. That’s it dude. Stop making this out to be something it’s not.

 

[Mike]

I guess you didn't get what I was saying with the Hitler analogy @Zazen

That was me asking you if you agree with the intellectually dishonest way dizzy is posting. It wasn't directed at you.

 

[shunyata]

DEI or Civil Rights?
You can only pick one.

Womens Rights or Trans Rights?
You can only pick one.

All I'm saying is that if there was a party that pushed civil rights, women's rights, single payer healthcare for all, and not polluting the fuck out of our parks, water tables, air, and soil trans and cis people would all benefit massively from it.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

All I'm saying is that if there was a party that pushed civil rights, women's rights, single payer healthcare for all, and not polluting the fuck out of our parks, water tables, air, and soil trans and cis people would all benefit massively from it.

And I find it particularly ironic that the party that pushed for women's rights now cannot define what a woman is.

And the party that pushed for civil rights - equality of all races - now want the supremacy of certain races over other races.

 

[Mike]

Why do I have to respond to every single word? You claimed they were taken out of context. I pointed to one that wasn’t. That’s it dude. Stop making this out to be something it’s not.

Right yet again, you called me out to criticize me for something I did address in another post. You just didn't read it. If you're not following the conversation, maybe don't jump in to correct people? That's all.

 

[Mike]

All I'm saying is that if there was a party that pushed civil rights, women's rights, single payer healthcare for all, and not polluting the fuck out of our parks, water tables, air, and soil trans and cis people would all benefit massively from it.

Problem is a lot of people don't suppert this trans delusion and don't want to be part of a team with people that do. It's been ten ish years of just ignore this nonsense and don't criticize how wrong and stupid it is, because we agree on these other issues.

So you have to get dragged into the trans crap too or the Republicans win. Well they just called their bluff on that crap in the last election. Turns out you can't just ignore people on issues they feel are important like trans people and the border indefinitely. Agreeing on most issues really isn't enough if you still strongly disagree on some of them.

 

[shunyata]

Problem is a lot of people don't supper this trans delusion and don't want to be part of a team with people that do. It's been ten ish years of just ignore this nonsense and don't criticize how wrong and stupid it is, because we agree on these other issues.

So you have to get dragged into the trans crap too or the Republicans win. Well they just called their bluff on that crap in the last election. Turns out you can't just ignore people on issues they feel are important like trans people and the border indefinitely.

The real problem is it's being weaponized as a wedge issue.

Because 10% of the democratic party doesn't want to compromise on an open ended academic definition of gender we got people who are cool with putting women in prison for miscarrying winning races on bathroom bullshit while they take bribes from Dupont to poison everyone's water.

Regardless of how you feel about gender fluidity, Dupont gets to keep dumping chemicals that they've know for decades cause bladder and kidney cancers.

And there's some democrats who take that money too. But that's the real problem.

Corruption, literal poison. Not fucking intergender toilets.

 

[Mike]

The real problem is it's being weaponized as a wedge issue.

Because 10% of the democratic party doesn't want to compromise on an open ended academic definition of gender we got people who are cool with putting women in prison for miscarrying winning races on bathroom bullshit while they take bribes from Dupont to poison everyone's water.

Regardless of how you feel about gender fluidity, Dupont gets to keep dumping chemicals that they've know for decades cause bladder and kidney cancers.

And there's some democrats who take that money too. But that's the real problem.

Corruption, literal poison. Not fucking intergender toilets.

I get what you're saying and agree both parties use these issues to keep people distracted. I dunno that I agree that without those distractions we'd actually get meaningful shit done. Because both parties are corrupt and in the pocket of big business. Whether we vote left or right, things just keep getting better for the rich and worse for the working class. Like it's part of an overarching plan that transcends the two party system or something.


The left flew too close to the sun on the trans thing. Far leftists are in it 1000% and they miscalculated pretty badly, in thinking the entire country it that pro trans. Turns out almost the entirety of the right and a big chunk of the left are just not into it. They stubbornly threw away votes over a rather minor issue in the grand scheme of things.

But while it may be a minor issue, there ARE a lot of people like myself that are really fucking tired of this idea that you're going to rewrite the very concept of gender without any logic or science being involved at all. Just histrionic tantrums and calling everyone that disagrees a bigot. Turns out that wasn't really a needle mover for them, talking down to their base and flat out refusing to read the room.

The left needs to let go of this idea that if you're a Dem or left leaning you have to go all in on tran support, or they're just going to keep losing. They need to get their shit together and realize that they can't lie to poor people about mass immigration being positive for them anymore. We figured out that's bullshit a long time ago.

 

[Mike]

I think the other larger factor is despite all their gaslighting the average person knows that the economy hasn't improved for them with four years with Dems in office. Instead of listening and promising to do better they just want to keep telling people were not worse off than we were pre covid, like I'm a moron that can't do basic math on how much prices have inflated.