Army Combatives

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I just want to see what the civilian community thinks of the Army Combatives Program? And if your in the army/airforce etc you can add your comments aswell.
 
Having done Army Combatives to an instructor's level and having done BJJ in a school, there is no comparison. BJJ is more complete and just plain better.

Army Combatives is certainly better than nothing...better than most other useless MA's you might get stuck in. It's better than the old Army hand-to-hand crap. It's BJJ lite.
 
Jagcorps_esq said:
Having done Army Combatives to an instructor's level and having done BJJ in a school, there is no comparison. BJJ is more complete and just plain better.

Army Combatives is certainly better than nothing...better than most other useless MA's you might get stuck in. It's better than the old Army hand-to-hand crap. It's BJJ lite.
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I agree. Its a good start but now that Im taking BJJ, it has given me some bad habits but then again I am progressing quicker than other beginers in BJJ.
 
the air force doesnt teach any throws or martial arts.

the most they teach u that has anything to do with picking up a perrson is what they call Self Aid Buddy Care(SABC).
 
a good friend of mine recently became a cop and thinks he can kick anybody's ass now because of his police training, his younger brother recently started training MMA with and me thinks he can kick anybody's ass now too. (must run in the family) The cop immobilized the recent MMA trainer easily, but couldnt do a damn thing to me with his police maneuvers.
 
1234outcold said:
know a couple guys who were level 3 combatives, they had really big heads because of it but we rolled and i tapped them each in about 2 minutes. i was like wtf?
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This is a common misconception. OMG a level 3 (level 3 is all stand up and stick fighting, level 2 is half take downs and alot of judging competitions, not to mention a level 3 has a total of 80 hours of ground grappling) So how long have you been training? The big head is part of the program to make you confident in your abilities to fight an "untrained" fighter, not someone who has done wrestling, bjj, etc.

I would wager you wouldnt stand a chance if strikes were involved.
 
ownedbytriangle said:
the air force doesnt teach any throws or martial arts.

the most they teach u that has anything to do with picking up a perrson is what they call Self Aid Buddy Care(SABC).
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I may be mistaken but I read somewhere that the airforce adopted army combatives as thier hand to hand training...
 
TheMadHatter said:
im pretty sure you could kill someone with either muay thai or bjj either keep hitting them after they are down or hold onto a choke until they are dead.
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The idea is to hold them or submit them until your buddy shows up with the gun...Combatives is not about beating multiple people at once its about that rare occassion you cant shoot someone or your gun doent work or your too close to them to shoot them etc...
And if you know anything about BJJ you know it teaches you to fight relaxed and conrol your aggression so you can finish one person off and not be so gassed you cant move onto the next.
 
I have a little JJ that I did before joining the army. I have been to level 1 and 2 army combatives. I did them back to back. Pretty much being the funnest and funnyist 3 weeks of my army time. At Ft. Bragg here Jeff Yurk was the Leader of the Combatives program when I went to the classes. He is really wise when it comes to teaching the armys way. I think he did some training with some Graices before he joined the army.

I memberable time I have in the class was in Level two where ppl get bad habbits of hold there arms tight into the chest to try to avoid the few armlocks we have learned. At this time I was a PVT. I would get pissed at ppl for doing it. Then the Slap to the face and close hand to the body was the way we started rolling.

Man oh man was i loving that. there was this SSGT female who would hold her arms to her chest non stop. So I slapped the piss out of her and beat on her ribs abit. It was the funnist thing she had the look of 'you cant hit a girl' on her face. One the secondary instructors was dying laughing.

As for the program. As long as you learn Close the Distance, Gain and dominate body position, and finish the fight you will be alright in the army.
 
Exactly this is a small portion of what the army trains thats why its in the grappling forum. I might have to bring up something in a striking forum becuase I know plenty of succesfull MMA figthers that started out in level 3 combatives.
 
dataws6 said:
Exactly this is a small portion of what the army trains thats why its in the grappling forum. I might have to bring up something in a striking forum becuase I know plenty of succesfull MMA figthers that started out in level 3 combatives.
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I agree with you I only know two personally that the only training the started with was the combatives program. I really think it is a good building block it is not super indept. It is easy to get in to. I had a lvl 3 spot but I kinda wussed out I only have 3 month left in the army. So I kinda of need all the time I can get so I can get out smoothly.
 
94viper said:
I have a little JJ that I did before joining the army. I have been to level 1 and 2 army combatives. I did them back to back. Pretty much being the funnest and funnyist 3 weeks of my army time. At Ft. Bragg here Jeff Yurk was the Leader of the Combatives program when I went to the classes. He is really wise when it comes to teaching the armys way. I think he did some training with some Graices before he joined the army.

I memberable time I have in the class was in Level two where ppl get bad habbits of hold there arms tight into the chest to try to avoid the few armlocks we have learned. At this time I was a PVT. I would get pissed at ppl for doing it. Then the Slap to the face and close hand to the body was the way we started rolling.

Man oh man was i loving that. there was this SSGT female who would hold her arms to her chest non stop. So I slapped the piss out of her and beat on her ribs abit. It was the funnist thing she had the look of 'you cant hit a girl' on her face. One the secondary instructors was dying laughing.

As for the program. As long as you learn Close the Distance, Gain and dominate body position, and finish the fight you will be alright in the army.
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Yurk is now a brown belt in BJJ. The fight teams he ran always swept all Army, and most of the guys under him are regularly winning MMA fights.
 
Jagcorps_esq said:
Having done Army Combatives to an instructor's level and having done BJJ in a school, there is no comparison. BJJ is more complete and just plain better.

Army Combatives is certainly better than nothing...better than most other useless MA's you might get stuck in. It's better than the old Army hand-to-hand crap. It's BJJ lite.
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QFT. I was surprised to start BJJ and see Combatives is just a watered down version of it.
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dataws6 said:
The idea is to hold them or submit them until your buddy shows up with the gun...Combatives is not about beating multiple people at once its about that rare occassion you cant shoot someone or your gun doent work or your too close to them to shoot them etc...
And if you know anything about BJJ you know it teaches you to fight relaxed and conrol your aggression so you can finish one person off and not be so gassed you cant move onto the next.
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im sure i know a hell of a lot more about bjj then you do sir
 
Jagcorps_esq said:
Hand to hand combat training, sure.

But total combat training?

I'd gladly face 30 BJJ/Muay Thai world class athletes...if I get my M16A2 and bayonet.
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absolutely i was speaking hand to hand as well, i figured that was common knowledge
 
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