Arm drag- same side or opposite side???

[finalboss]

I checked the other threads and I couldn't find anything on this. I've seen people grabbing the wrist with the same side hand and I also have seen them grab the opposite wrist with the opposite hand.So basically I wanted to know what is the difference? I've seen both done, but nobody explains why they do it. Thank you in advance.

 

[OMjitsu316]

Preference and angle. I think grabbing the left wrist with your left hand works better when they're really close and you want to pop the elbow over. I think it also sets up butterfly and pendulum sweeps better because I don't get my arm stuck under their arm. The same side wrist grab, I think, ends up being better standing, when they're giving you a little space or disengaging, and when you want to kinda swing around behind them like you're Tarzan.
Just my thoughts.

 

[Gambledub]

Do you mean the arm drag, with the different grips?



Or do you mean the Russian tie?

 

[JustTheTip]

No gi- same side grip(inside arm drag)
Gi-Opposite side grip(outside arm drag/2 on 1)
IMO

 

[DrJitsu]

It just depends in my experience. I do a lot of armdrags. I like the same side grip. In fact, I will often bait the guy into grabbing my same side wrist, pull it midline, and armdrag. If the guy cross grabs the wrist, I can still yank it over a bit and just push the back of the elbow over. There's a Marcelo video out there of him showing this second version but I can't find it right now.

As alluded to above, the russian tie is an awesome option from the crossgrip. For me, cross grip arm drag vs russian tie is just about where the guy's elbow is.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

no gi same side wrist, although the wrist is not that important for the drag, I use it mostly to open up the arm and get a deep grip under the armpit.

 

[Shizzx]

wrist grab same side, Arm drag with opposite arm
wrist grab opposite side, Russian with same arm

 

[Leify]

In the gi, I only use a cross grip on their sleeve. It allows me to create a figure four grip with my hands over their wrist, and then use that to break any grip they have on my gi and work from there.

In no gi, I'll use both.

With the no gi cross grip, I'll grab across so that my index and thumb are around the bony part of their wrist and the rest of my hand is grabbing their hand. The same side hand cups their triceps from the outside, with the index and thumb gripping right above the bony protrusion of the elbow. This is my slow arm drag grip. I'll be using it to work a modified 2 on 1 to the closed guard arm drag position for pendulum sweeps, back takes, and arm bars.

With the no gi same side grip, I just use the same side hand to stiff arm their wrist in, and the cross side arm cups the triceps from the inside. This is my quick arm drag grip. When I do it, I'm coming up right away.

 

[finalboss]

Do you mean the arm drag, with the different grips?



Or do you mean the Russian tie?

First one thank you.

So is there a situation or reason where you would use one hand vs two for a particular reason?

 

[mataleaos]

First one thank you.

So is there a situation where you would use one hand vs two for a particular reason?

So basically you're talking about a Russian/2-on-1 grip?

With a Russian 2-on-1 or an arm drag you're still using two hands versus their arm. It's just that the grips are different. If you're asking why you would use a 2-on-1/Russian over an arm drag it all depends on what you're trying to do. I like the Russian grip more if I'm in butterfly guard and trying to elevate the opponent. With the arm drag I'm usually trying to move them or myself a little bit more. Both standing and on the ground, the Russian 2-on-1 I think is a little stronger than the standard arm drag grip is when it comes to static holds.

I know a great butterfly guard player that basically just uses that grip to keep your arm in between your two bodies which makes it hard for you to pass his guard without first breaking that grip. Meanwhile he can use that grip to elevate you to go for your back, get under your legs, sweep you, the list goes on.

On the feet you'll even see the grip used as a strong way to control. To me the arm drag almost always involves dynamic movement. An arm drag could last a fraction of a second. Whether it's on the feet to arm drag drop to a single leg, or to go for the back, or a waist lock from behind, or even doing an arm drag from butterfly guard to go for the back, the crucifix, or even an armbar or a d'arce choke. When I think of arm drags I think of motion.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

In the gi, I only use a cross grip on their sleeve. It allows me to create a figure four grip with my hands over their wrist, and then use that to break any grip they have on my gi and work from there.

In no gi, I'll use both.

With the no gi cross grip, I'll grab across so that my index and thumb are around the bony part of their wrist and the rest of my hand is grabbing their hand. The same side hand cups their triceps from the outside, with the index and thumb gripping right above the bony protrusion of the elbow. This is my slow arm drag grip. I'll be using it to work a modified 2 on 1 to the closed guard arm drag position for pendulum sweeps, back takes, and arm bars.

With the no gi same side grip, I just use the same side hand to stiff arm their wrist in, and the cross side arm cups the triceps from the inside. This is my quick arm drag grip. When I do it, I'm coming up right away.

I find griping on the triceps a very loose grip no gi, I have much better success gripping almost on the armpit and more than dragging the person, claiming my way up if that makes sense.

 

[Leify]

I find griping on the triceps a very loose grip no gi, I have much better success gripping almost on the armpit and more than dragging the person, claiming my way up if that makes sense.

It's not an unbreakable grip by any means, but I don't actually grab the meat of their triceps, just the bottom portion where it meets the elbow.

Use your index finger and thumb to grasp your own tricep, and slide your fingers down towards your elbow until you feel the bony protrusions on either side. That's where my same side hand grabs, except since I'm doing it to someone else, my index/thumb squeeze right above those bones and the rest of my hand is over their elbow.

It's actually a rather effective grip when things get sweaty, because the bone makes it more difficult for your grip to slip. Same with the wrist grip I mentioned.

 

[Dirty Holt]

Show me one example of a competent competitor getting hit in nogi with a cross side wrist drag. It doesnt happen. Anyone who does armdrags on a regular basis knows this wont work 99/100 times. Its what you see very bad first year wrestlers or white belts try before they understand the move.

In gi, yes, it is a viable technique. Nogi, absolutely not. I would put it in the same category as an Americana from full guard.

From standing, even in gi, a cross side wrist drag is not viable on anyone who is a competent grappler.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Show me one example of a competent competitor getting hit in nogi with a cross side wrist drag. It doesnt happen. Anyone who does armdrags on a regular basis knows this wont work 99/100 times. Its what you see very bad first year wrestlers or white belts try before they understand the move.

In gi, yes, it is a viable technique. Nogi, absolutely not. I would put it in the same category as an Americana from full guard.

From standing, even in gi, a cross side wrist drag is not viable on anyone who is a competent grappler.

how high do you grip for the armdrag?

 

[BJJ_Rage]

It's not an unbreakable grip by any means, but I don't actually grab the meat of their triceps, just the bottom portion where it meets the elbow.

Use your index finger and thumb to grasp your own tricep, and slide your fingers down towards your elbow until you feel the bony protrusions on either side. That's where my same side hand grabs, except since I'm doing it to someone else, my index/thumb squeeze right above those bones and the rest of my hand is over their elbow.

It's actually a rather effective grip when things get sweaty, because the bone makes it more difficult for your grip to slip. Same with the wrist grip I mentioned.

I understand, but IMHO, gripping as high as the armpit almost in a monkey type grip gives you much better traction. its harder to get that deep though.

 

[Dirty Holt]

how high do you grip for the armdrag?

Cross side arm goes to the inside of the elbow. This is pretty much standard for any kind of drag from standing and across the board in nogi.

 

[Zefram Cochrane]

I find griping on the triceps a very loose grip no gi, I have much better success gripping almost on the armpit and more than dragging the person, claiming my way up if that makes sense.

They teach it like that in my gym to, harder to get the grip but also much tighter

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

I checked the other threads and I couldn't find anything on this. I've seen people grabbing the wrist with the same side hand and I also have seen them grab the opposite wrist with the opposite hand.So basically I wanted to know what is the difference? I've seen both done, but nobody explains why they do it. Thank you in advance.

should be same side wrist feed to cross side hand grabbing the arm around the tricep for the drag.

study, study, study Marcelo Garcia. Amazing arm drags.