Opinion Arizona requires proof of citizenship for state, but not federal elections
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I mean we already knew the point of mass migration and loosening election security was to import more dem voters and making it more difficult or impossible to catch. We just have the law on the books that you have to be a citizen to vote, but remove the enforcement mechanisms, because illegals have already respected immigration laws, so surely they'll respect the voting laws too. It's like a bar announcing sending flyers to a high school announcing that they don't check ID, then declaring there is no evidence they serve underage kids, and saying any accusation is "baseless".
A person who submits valid proof of citizenship with his or her voter registration form (regardless of the type of form submitted) is entitled to vote in all federal, state, county and local elections in which he or she is eligible. The voter registration form otherwise must be sufficiently complete.
A person is not required to submit proof of citizenship with the voter registration form, but failure to do so means the person will only be eligible to vote in federal elections (known as being a "federal only" voter). A "federal only" voter will become eligible to vote a "full ballot" in all federal, state, county and local elections if he or she later provides valid proof of citizenship to the appropriate County Recorder's office.
A person who submits valid proof of citizenship with his or her voter registration form (regardless of the type of form submitted) is entitled to vote in all federal, state, county and local elections in which he or she is eligible. The voter registration form otherwise must be sufficiently complete.
A person is not required to submit proof of citizenship with the voter registration form, but failure to do so means the person will only be eligible to vote in federal elections (known as being a "federal only" voter). A "federal only" voter will become eligible to vote a "full ballot" in all federal, state, county and local elections if he or she later provides valid proof of citizenship to the appropriate County Recorder's office.
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Musk is not a political animal, yet in the last year or two he's Gung Ho for Trump. Gee...wonder why? He's picking on Don's deficiencies...just like every other power hungry amoral power broker in the world. Trump is a mark.
Elon's motivations for fellating Trump aside, one side benefits from less people voting, that would be the Republican side. The amount of voter fraud, by legal and illegal voters, is not statistically relevant to election outcomes...and the fraud that is found, nevermind the outright attempt to overturn the result of an election based on objective lies, is usually by right wing Trump supporters.
Elon's motivations for fellating Trump aside, one side benefits from less people voting, that would be the Republican side. The amount of voter fraud, by legal and illegal voters, is not statistically relevant to election outcomes...and the fraud that is found, nevermind the outright attempt to overturn the result of an election based on objective lies, is usually by right wing Trump supporters.
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This is it! Reinstall Convicted Felon Trump and give Hazy Filter Lake the win. We cracked it!
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Almost all nations require voter ID. LoL.
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FTFY
Not even Republicans believe that. They've won the popular vote for president once in the past 30 years.
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That would be great if elections were decided by a national popular vote, then we could just take the 8 million vote lead between California, NY and IL and call off the rest of the election, but we don't, and you have to not only be a citizen on the country, but also vote in the state you live in.
What votes are you hoping to pick up by not requiring people to prove they're citizens or show ID? Do you think illegals voting would help the democrats or the republicans?
It's a pretty clear bellwether that the GOP has been and continues to be ineffective at wining votes from citizens. Yoiur entire argument is farcical and laughable given the fact that the GOP is on record several times admitting the only reason they want stricter ID laws and to gerrymander is because they need to drive down turnout.
No problem with voter ID if it's for the sake of security and genuine. But somehow the GOP seems to love pairing voter ID laws with making access to IDs harder. And they still keep failing to find proof of fraud despite bellyaching for decades that voter fraud is an impactful problem in elections.
Can you point to one race where voter fraud was decisive in swinging the outcome? Just name me one example please.
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Maybe they should fix Arizona's voting laws.
Considering it's a conservative stronghold, I don't know how this is Biden's fault.
Considering it's a conservative stronghold, I don't know how this is Biden's fault.
Thomas Hofeller's files are public and easily accessible, as are North Carolina's multiple court cases related to these matters.
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I’ve still yet to hear a compelling argument against voter ID
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I mean literally the entire point of removing election security is to avoid catching it. There is no other purpose. Presumably you acknowledge that illegals voting would be a massive help to democrats, no? Is your argument that they are well aware of that, but definitely do not want any of them voting because of their strong principles, or do you think it's possible that they might have an interest in loosening security so they can vote without getting caught? They don't provide evidence of this widespread voter suppression, but somehow still keep pushing for removing election security a hell of a lot stronger than any push to track down people with no ID to get them one. It's not difficult to figure out why that would be.
Gerrymandering presidential elections isn't even possible, nor are senate elections, nor gubernatorial elections, so I don't know what you're referring to there. If you're just talking about house seats, then illegals clearly tip the scale there too more than any "gerrymandering" could. Illegals are counted on the census when drawing district maps and electoral votes, so even if we pretend they just respect our laws too much to walk through an open door to vote for more stuff for themselves, just being here already helps boost their areas electorally.
We have like 30 million illegals, plus another like 20 million non citizen legal immigrants, and about 1 million citizens who don't have a photo ID, a good percentage of whom did and just haven't renewed it since it expired, another chunk are homeless, and native American tribe members whose tribal ID are already accepted. What makes more sense to you, getting IDs for the handful of hobos who don't have them, or throwing out the rules entirely for everybody, including the 50 million non citizens?
The point of "our democracy" is for the citizens to be able to vote to replace the politicians if they don't like their decisions, not for the politicians to just import new voters if they don't like the way the citizens were voting.
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What election security measures have been removed? Do you mean Republican-led states pulling out of ERIC?
I don't see why "illegals" would vote Democratic given the vast diversity and countries of origin among "illegals"
So name one election where voter fraud was impactful. I'm waiting.
Never said they were. Nice straw man though.
As do felons and children. How many extra GOP and Democratic seats do you think illegal immigrants have created? Not to mention the house inherently benefits smaller states and as an extension generally the GOP
Where exactly are these 30 million illegal immigrants from, besides your deluded imitation? How come I can't find 30 million missing folks from Asia and South America?
ID is already verified at signup. What makes the most sense is not increasing barriers to voting and running afoul of the poll tax ban when we have no evidence of impactful voter fraud, or anything remotely close to it.
What politicians are importing voters so they can stay in office? Again, try to give real examples, not your delusions from conspiracyland.
It increases barriers to voting and would be unconstitutional in several states. And there's no real benefit to it given there is no evidence of modern voting fraud on the scale needed to swing small elections, let alone national ones.
Please name an election where voting fraud was impactful.
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It's trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist...
Who are we kidding though, it's an attempt to prevent certain groups from voting, and honestly just an attempt to lower turnout. Just look at who benefits from lower turnout and disenfranchising voters proper...then look at the side of the political aisle advocating for a solution to a problem, voter fraud en masse, that literally doesn't exist.
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"Our Democrakky!!!"
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It's a federal republic, not a liberal democracy.
The state legislature is still red. That's ultimately the most critical component in regards to what sort of regime you're going to live under, but it's only by a thread at this point, and the state is hardly a stronghold anymore. Arizona has gradually been shifting purple with blue clearly on the horizon over the last few election cycles. The hope, idea, and theory of so-called "conservative" Hispanics voting red has been a total and utter dud. There have also been tons of Californians pouring in and voting for the same, exacerbating the situation.
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Aye. But as far as those made the constitution, and those who are still able to *change* the constitution, it's most certainly bleeding red.
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Well there you go. Even you can't even bring yourself to pretend that democrats are too principled to take the free votes, so to avoid that pickle, you have to make the equally ridiculous claim that we just have no idea who illegals would vote for. It's one or the other, and they're equally ridiculous and anybody can read that you can't even muster the baseline honesty of acknowledging who illegals voting would benefit.
I don't know what "how come I can't find 30 million missing folks from Asia and South America" even means. You don't determine the number of illegals by looking for "missing folks in Asian and South America". You don't really even do it with any accuracy with the lazy government stat of just asking on the census who was born here and then subtracting legal admissions. MIT and Yale actually put some effort into it and used multiple methods and demographic data, and had it at around 22 million in 2016. In just Biden's first 3 years, there were 8.7 million border apprehensions, minus expulsions, plus the absolute minimum number of 1.7 million known "gotaways". So yeah, it's about 30 million, plus the 20 million non citizen legal.
You declare yourself a citizen under penalty of perjury, but if you lie there is no mechanism to catch you once you've voted.
Not even counting the illegals, like 20% of mail in voters admitted to either filling out a ballot for someone else, someone else filling out their ballot, or voting in a state they no were no longer living in, all of which are illegal. Before every democrat had to declare simultaneously that mail in voting with no ID is the most secure voting method ever, even the NYT wrote a piece about what a horribly system full of error and fraud it was.
The mean estimate based on our simulation analysis is 22.1 million, essentially double the current widely accepted estimate.
The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016
We apply standard demographic principles of inflows and outflows to estimate the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States, using the best available data, including some that have only recently become available. Our analysis covers the years 1990 to 2016. We develop an estimate of...
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Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises (Published 2012)
Nationwide, mailed ballots now account for nearly 20 percent of votes, yet such ballots are more likely to be compromised, and contested, than those cast in person, statistics show.
