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Are threats of violence enough to claim self-defense?

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There's this creepy 40 something year old guy at my gym stalking me, constantly threatening me outside of the gym and telling people he is going to kick my ass. Now I love a good fight but every time he threatens to kick my ass and I get in his face with a huge grin telling him to hit me he just backs away and keeps flinging threats at me from a distance. One time he literally followed me for 10 minutes in the streets and is even harassing my girlfriend about how he is going to beat me.

Already reported it to the cops but they won't do anything, could I just knock him out preemptively and tell them I felt threatened? I have texts he sent to people telling them he is going beat me up and could probably get voice recordings too
 
What's the backstory?

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I'm no lawyer, but you would have to be in a situation where you have no means of escaping the situation and he is showing intent to do you physical harm.

So until you are backed into a corner and he is physically impeding you from leaving while communicating the intent of doing you harm it's best to leave it alone.

Why not communicate these threats to the gym and get him banned?
 
Crazy ex huh, I've been there
 
I like how our government does preemptive strikes all the time, but you can't.
 
Straightcross said:
There's this creepy 40 something year old guy at my gym stalking me, constantly threatening me outside of the gym and telling people he is going to kick my ass. Now I love a good fight but every time he threatens to kick my ass and I get in his face with a huge grin telling him to hit me he just backs away and keeps flinging threats at me from a distance. One time he literally followed me for 10 minutes in the streets and is even harassing my girlfriend about how he is going to beat me.

Already reported it to the cops but they won't do anything, could I just knock him out preemptively and tell them I felt threatened? I have texts he sent to people telling them he is going beat me up and could probably get voice recordings too
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Yeah so not to sound militant but if he does decide to do something crazy like, stab you or something, you're giving him way too much time. You should be defending yourself and your personal space. If someone invades your personal safe space than you need to react. Stand your ground bruh.

If you think it's mostly BS than next time he opens his mouth hit him with a Stockton Slap.
 
So you have to elaborate on what started all this. You must have been really rude and annoying or he's mentally ill.

If you want to go about things the right way, you should tell the gym he's threatening you and your girl with physical harm and stalking you. They should ban him for that.

If someone didn't want to go through the law, then I'd say hypothetically they could wait until he follows them home again. Hypothetically they could wait for no witnesses then grab him by the throat and tell him you're going to kill him if he ever fucks with you again. Obviously someone should never admit to doing such a thing if they hypothetically did that.

So if you want free reign on this dude's face, you need to be able to show the cops that you were reasonably certain that he was trying to cause imminent bodily harm to either you or your girl. If you, deserving, fuck him up and he didn't do anything that makes you feel like he's going to hurt you right then then you can go to jail. At this point you have history on your side. If you smashed his face in because he was grabbing your girlfriend and threatening her and wouldn't let go, and there was nobody to say otherwise and really fresh bruises on her arm, then I think you would be in the clear. I don't know what the situation is. You could be the asshole for all I know.

I have anger issues and at the extreme risk of sounding like an internet tough guy, I would beat the shit out of a guy if he continually harassed me. Then again, I never put myself in situations where someone would be so insulted by me that they justifiably want to yell obscenities to me. I treat everyone with respect and I don't go out of my way to really engage strangers. So if someone is that mad at me, one of two things happened.. I either ran into a guy I kicked out of the club from when I was a bouncer or they are a serious crazy person.
 
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If it happens every time you're at the gym, start documenting witnesses and record your run ins with the guy. Create a recorded history, and once that's done.. have him follow you to an area where there are no witnesses, and kill him.

Say he attacked you first and show them your proof.
 
CatchOmega said:
If it happens every time you're at the gym, start documenting witnesses and record your run ins with the guy. Create a recorded history, and once that's done.. have him follow you to an area where there are no witnesses, and kill him.

Say he attacked you first and show them your proof.
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I was all ready to "like" this post, because recording witnesses and interactions with this guy is a smart idea in case of a future confrontation.

So I was with him up to the point where he randomly says to murder the guy... hahahaha
 
Buy a dash cam that records date and time. Get another hand held that records date and time. Use them. Once you feel you've gathered enough evidence, file for a restraining order.
You can follow what the idiots here are saying and "stand your ground" and end up getting stabbed, shot, etc or you can get a restraining order. Yes, it's just a piece of paper but if he violates it get out of the situation and notify the popo that he violated it.
The guy has already shown he's mental, don't fuck around with crazy people.
Also, I'd like to know the rest of the story.
 
what is the backstory on this? clearly you know him somehow as you have text messages of said threats.
 
Getting in his face and taunting him to hit you is idiotic. Just keep walking away.

As others have said, get a restraining order. And document the shit out of everything.
 
Threats of bodily harm from a capable person is assault and assuming you could prove this was the case, that's a valid cause for self-defense.

Edit: in your case, you don't help yourself in this way if you're approaching the guy and goading him.
 
brownft10 said:
what is the backstory on this? clearly you know him somehow as you have text messages of said threats.
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when i read his story it felt like something was really off, and i think this is it. it's not just some random guy, he knows the guy and has a negative history with him.
 
If a guy goes out of his way make physical threats to you, or your family, you have every right to neutralize the threat IMO. Whether or not the system sees it that way...
 
If you live here in Florida you could leave his brains leaking, and hit the bench press.
 
You can't claim self defense after telling somebody to hit you. If you had any common sense, you would put both your hands up in a defensive position and loudly state something like, "don't touch me" or "leave me alone." This gives off the appearance (for witness reports) of not wanting to fight.
 
When he follows and threatens you two, have your girlfriend pepper spray the crap out of him (with the green marking stuff if you can, or the kind with UV dye), run and call the cops immediately.


That will put him on record. After that he will look like the aggressor if he chooses to get into another confrontation, because of his previous record.
 
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