History Are men less masculine today?

[italiamusica]

It depends on what you mean by "masculine".

If you're going by 1950's standards where "men" are loud, obnoxious, only show anger and stoicism for emotions, catcall and talk shit to random strangers, and are bullies to everyone in life, then yeah men are becoming less masculine.

I think a better way to word the thread is, "Are men becoming more polite?", because there are less and less assholes out there who are like I WAS BORN WITH A DICK, I'M A MAN, I MAKE THE RULES AND RUN THIS WORLD, BOW DOWN AND SUCK MY DICK PEASANTS, I'M A FUCKING MAN.

 

[therealdope]

Social views and norms have changed dramatically. When I was a kid it would have been socially unacceptable, or looked down upon, if a man couldn't fix stuff or do manual labor tasks. At the same time it has never been as acceptable to be a pussy, as it is now.

It's just the accumulation of many factors; pussification of men, killing tech/shop/automotive/metal working programs in high schools, demeaning of trades, politics, the acceptance of men with no responsibilities, and the move away from widespread military service, has all cumulatively made men less masculine.

 

[Satur9]

If the older generation have an issue with the younger generation not being able to do more manly stuff, then maybe they should have taught their sons those key skills.

Show and encourage them to work on their cars, to do wood and metal working, to carry themselves with a degree of manliness.

You're all like my Dad. He fucked off when I was four, expressed certain disappointments in my life and had certain requests. He even said that I was a "shit kid" when referring to me in last tense. I get that I wasn't great as a kid, though my criminal record was clean and I didn't get into trouble outside, and that I wasn't as strong as he was when he was younger, that I was depressed as hell with zero self esteem, zero to poor job prospects and that I lost my virginity very late, but hell, if it bothered him that badly then he should have been more hands on so that I could have been more confident and better off. Instead, he either wasn't there or he piled the blame and guilt game on, but never helped me follow through, and I really needed that help.

So yeah, don't blame media, don't blame women, blame the men out there who either don't raise their kids right or bugger off altogether.

So don’t blame anything other than men? That seems unhelpful, as many have a role in the situation. Maybe not yours in particular, but the situation in its entirety.

Sounds like “believe all women”. Seems contrary to reality.