Are Hardcore Conspiracy Theorists Retarded?

[splendica]

In my opinion anyone who willfully assumes they know what is real or not without any hesitation or looking into opposing opinion is a fool. As such they are fooling themselves and proving to lack any kind of ability to discern or critically think on an independent and individual basis.

For example out of all the poster's that have given there opinion itt, how many of you are astronauts? Has anyone of you gone into space? Let's cut out the shenanigans, none of you are and never will be. With that being said I'm not here to say the world is flat nor am I saying the world is round. Because honestly I've never been to outer space personally myself to make that conclusive of an answer. So that means I have to depend on the word of others to believe what is plausibly true or not. (hence how a sucker is born every minute / day) & (That shit would never fly in court for testimony if I appealed to authority. Expertise has to be proven.)

I look at it like this. If I accept 100% of the time that what NASA is telling me is true, then I'm just allowing myself to be a sucker eventually. Further along;

I.E So does that mean that if NASA tells me pigs are blue and have wings to fly, that I should believe that's true simply because NASA said so? Of course this works both ways. I don't assume the world is flat, nor do I assume the world is round. Given a totality of everything I honestly have no opinion on the matter.

I see it as several things on the part of people as a whole.

Willful ignorance
Willful pride
Willful fear
Willful belief in experts
Willful belief in masses
Willful belief in popularity
Willful belief in appealing to authority
Willful desire to avoid ridicule
Fearful of what you may or may not find.

I'm not the smartest guy that's going to sit next to you on bar stool at the bar, but I far from being *retarded*

For instance;
My high School SAT score was 1350
My military ASVAB was a 92 out of 100
My MOS was 6386 (Top secret clearance)
I have Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering & Bachelor of Science in Public Health.
I was a Police Officer for 7 years and then transitioned into Firearms examiner (Of which I have been the past 5 years)
I make as a base salary 120k a year without considering all the OT I make for call outs, on call, and Court.

Oh and btw I do thoroughly enjoy my share of conspiracy theories. Cheers.

That was awsome.

 

[splendica]

Not as fucking retarded as believing you're living on a sphere 25000 miles in circumference, with the weight of all the earth vast oceans being held into a spinning ball by an imaginary, unproven theory of gravity. In which this magical force is so strong that people in Australia don't fall off the ball, and every splash of water doesn't fall off of it, yet a tiny fucking mosquito can defeat this force at any times simply by beating its wings..

Gtfo
Show me one single example of the finest dust mite, by its sheer minuscule size and weight, being sucked into the Mountains and forced to revolve in perfect circles around it...
You fucking can't because gravity is fake as fuck

What about atmosphere?

A plane is traveling 600 mph. Yet you can walk to the washroom at the back of the plane. You're not blown against the back wall from the wind. You can also walk back to your seat without any problem. Atmosphere.

Also. If a half ball could be built 50 miles in diameter. That's believable enough. Though you'd likely see some curvature, It'd seem flat enough until you'd come close to the edge. I mean there'd be a fair amount of curvature before you'd fall off. Now keep in mind the earth's diameter is 7,917.5 miles and it isn't a half ball, it's spherish. You're the slightest fleck of dust on it in the grand scheme of things.

Now that I talk about this, I think It'd be interesting to make a giant hemisphere. Even one 10 miles. Or 5 miles. Just to see how close to the edge, or side, one can get before "falling off."

 

[JudasAnthony]

What about atmosphere?

A plane is traveling 600 mph. Yet you can walk to the washroom at the back of the plane. You're not blown against the back wall from the wind. You can also walk back to your seat without any problem. Atmosphere.

Also. If a half ball could be built 50 miles in diameter. That's believable enough. Though you'd likely see some curvature, It'd seem flat enough until you'd come close to the edge. I mean there'd be a fair amount of curvature before you'd fall off. Now keep in mind the earth's diameter is 7,917.5 miles and it isn't a half ball, it's spherish. You're the slightest fleck of dust on it in the grand scheme of things.

Now that I talk about this, I think It's be interesting to make a giant hemisphere. It'd be interesting. Even one 10 miles. Or 5 miles. Just to see how close to the edge, or side, one can get before "falling off."

Yeah a plane is traveling 500 mph yet the earth beneath them is spinning east to west at a rate of 1000 mph. This means that a plane traveling from America should never reach its destination in Moscow as its speed doesn’t even equate the speed of the ball earths supposed rotation.

If we truely live on a spinning ball then why is it that a helicopter can’t simply take off and hover, while waiting for its destination to arrive on the ground below?

If we truely lived on a spinning ball then the curvature of a ball 25000 miles in circumference is 8 inches per mile squared. Then why is it that no body can find this supposed curvature?

Ball Eather’s scream that a ship disappears over the curvature of earth. Yet a single pair of binoculars or a camera with capable zoom in features, can bring the same ship that “went over the curve” back into view.

How can you explain that? Does sight some how get sucked into a curve as well?

Fuck out of here

 

[rj144]

If flat Earth morons aren't trolls, which they probably are, they're maybe the most stupid group of people who has ever existed in the history of the planet. They should just admit to being trolls.

 

[splendica]

Yeah a plane is traveling 500 mph yet the earth beneath them is spinning east to west at a rate of 1000 mph. This means that a plane traveling from America should never reach its destination in Moscow as its speed doesn’t even equate the speed of the ball earths supposed rotation.

Atmosphere. Everything, including the atmosphere, is spinning. What You are suggesting is similar to saying that you couldn't reach the washroom at the back of the plane because you are walking at 2 mph and the plane us traveling at 1000 mph in the other direction. You proved my point.

If we truely live on a spinning ball then why is it that a helicopter can’t simply take off and hover, while waiting for its destination to arrive on the ground below?

Same as above.

If we truely lived on a spinning ball then the curvature of a ball 25000 miles in circumference is 8 inches per mile squared. Then why is it that no body can find this supposed curvature?

Can you provide a telescopic camera image or film capturing the sun over Tokyo, as seen over the Pacific ocean, from America's West Coast mountains? If not Tokyo, what about Hawaii? Think about it. This surely would have been done long ago.

Ball Eather’s scream that a ship disappears over the curvature of earth. Yet a single pair of binoculars or a camera with capable zoom in features, can bring the same ship that “went over the curve” back into view.

How can you explain that? Does sight some how get sucked into a curve as well?

Fuck out of here

Same as answered.

The flat earth theory fails and I've just demonstrated it.

 

[sloppypie]

Yeah a plane is traveling 500 mph yet the earth beneath them is spinning east to west at a rate of 1000 mph. This means that a plane traveling from America should never reach its destination in Moscow as its speed doesn’t even equate the speed of the ball earths supposed rotation.

If we truely live on a spinning ball then why is it that a helicopter can’t simply take off and hover, while waiting for its destination to arrive on the ground below?

If we truely lived on a spinning ball then the curvature of a ball 25000 miles in circumference is 8 inches per mile squared. Then why is it that no body can find this supposed curvature?

Ball Eather’s scream that a ship disappears over the curvature of earth. Yet a single pair of binoculars or a camera with capable zoom in features, can bring the same ship that “went over the curve” back into view.

How can you explain that? Does sight some how get sucked into a curve as well?

Fuck out of here

you have the same logic and science skills as my drunk uncle. he 100% believes his house to be haunted, and every time something remotely odd happens he attributes it to the ghost.

last time i stayed there a door slammed shut and a picture fell off his fireplace. i looked around and he had this insane draft coming from his basement, literally could push a person. i told him about this and he said no way wind could do that. it was like talking to a fuckin tree stump that couldn't stop watching youtube. even when i showed him the draft he refused to believe it could slam a door shut. i think he was so drunk he forgot what the fuck wind was and was too embarrassed to tell me.

i have an open mind of the supernatural, especially ghosts and UFOs, but you can't abandon logic and your ability to weigh evidence just to prove a belief right.

this flat earth shit in particular is insane. if you had even any decent math skills, you could calculate the circumference of the earth on your own. or if you had any decent science / engineering skills, build your own balloon and camera to space. MIT students do this shit all the time. or fuck, just get on a plane and look out the fucking window. instead, you read other idiots and just rile yourself up b/c you are too dumb to think for yourself.

although personally, i think this flat earth shit is done by paid trolls. nobody is actually that stupid, but it makes people upset and the trolling gets threads derailed.

 

[JudasAnthony]

Atmosphere. Everything, including the atmosphere, is spinning. What You are suggesting is similar to saying that you couldn't reach the washroom at the back of the plane because you are walking at 2 mph and the plane us traveling at 1000 mph in the other direction. You proved my point.



Same as above.




Can you provide a telescopic camera image or film capturing the sun over Tokyo, as seen over the Pacific ocean, from America's West Coast mountains? If not Tokyo, what about Hawaii? Think about it. This surely would have been done long ago.



Same as answered.

The flat earth theory fails and I've just demonstrated it.

You can't have it both ways buddy. The average cloud weighs 1 million pounds per science. So gravity is strong enough to force thousands of clouds that weigh on average 1 million pounds to move with the earth yet weak enough that a fucking fly which weighs maybe a half a gram can beat this force by rubbing its wings together? How the fuck does that make any sense?
Why does smoke float? Should it not be sucked out of the air and forced to the surface of the ball earth? Or are you saying that gravity is conscious and let's smoke break it's law?

you have the same logic and science skills as my drunk uncle. he 100% believes his house to be haunted, and every time something remotely odd happens he attributes it to the ghost.

last time i stayed there a door slammed shut and a picture fell off his fireplace. i looked around and he had this insane draft coming from his basement, literally could push a person. i told him about this and he said no way wind could do that. it was like talking to a fuckin tree stump that couldn't stop watching youtube. even when i showed him the draft he refused to believe it could slam a door shut. i think he was so drunk he forgot what the fuck wind was and was too embarrassed to tell me.

i have an open mind of the supernatural, especially ghosts and UFOs, but you can't abandon logic and your ability to weigh evidence just to prove a belief right.

this flat earth shit in particular is insane. if you had even any decent math skills, you could calculate the circumference of the earth on your own. or if you had any decent science / engineering skills, build your own balloon and camera to space. MIT students do this shit all the time. or fuck, just get on a plane and look out the fucking window. instead, you read other idiots and just rile yourself up b/c you are too dumb to think for yourself.

although personally, i think this flat earth shit is done by paid trolls. nobody is actually that stupid, but it makes people upset and the trolling gets threads derailed.

Actually you're the one who believes in something retarded and far fetched. You're the one who believes that your on a pear shaped rock spinning 1000 miles per hour while simultaneously being whipped into an orbit around the sun at six hundred miles per hour while the sun hurls in space at mind numbing speed

 

[rj144]

You can't have it both ways buddy. The average cloud weighs 1 million pounds per science. So gravity is strong enough to force thousands of clouds that weigh on average 1 million pounds to move with the earth yet weak enough that a fucking fly which weighs maybe a half a gram can beat this force by rubbing its wings together? How the fuck does that make any sense?
Why does smoke float? Should it not be sucked out of the air and forced to the surface of the ball earth? Or are you saying that gravity is conscious and let's smoke break it's law?


Actually you're the one who believes in something retarded and far fetched. You're the one who believes that your on a pear shaped rock spinning 1000 miles per hour while simultaneously being whipped into an orbit around the sun at six hundred miles per hour while the sun hurls in space at mind numbing speed

Have you taken any science or, more importantly, a physics class? I'm going to guess no.

 

[PubliusVentidius]

You can't have it both ways buddy. The average cloud weighs 1 million pounds per science. So gravity is strong enough to force thousands of clouds that weigh on average 1 million pounds to move with the earth yet weak enough that a fucking fly which weighs maybe a half a gram can beat this force by rubbing its wings together? How the fuck does that make any sense?
Why does smoke float? Should it not be sucked out of the air and forced to the surface of the ball earth? Or are you saying that gravity is conscious and let's smoke break it's law?


Actually you're the one who believes in something retarded and far fetched. You're the one who believes that your on a pear shaped rock spinning 1000 miles per hour while simultaneously being whipped into an orbit around the sun at six hundred miles per hour while the sun hurls in space at mind numbing speed

Are you a christian?

 

[splendica]

You can't have it both ways buddy. The average cloud weighs 1 million pounds per science. So gravity is strong enough to force thousands of clouds that weigh on average 1 million pounds to move with the earth yet weak enough that a fucking fly which weighs maybe a half a gram can beat this force by rubbing its wings together? How the fuck does that make any sense?
Why does smoke float? Should it not be sucked out of the air and forced to the surface of the ball earth? Or are you saying that gravity is conscious and let's smoke break it's law?

Who's having it both ways?

Clearly the atmosphere of the earth, along with the earth, and everything inside of it is spinning at about 1000 mph. This is similar to everyone in a plane moving along with the plane's atmosphere inside the cabin at whatever the speed the plane is traveling. The protected atmosphere inside the plane is protected against the atmosphere outside of the plane, which is traveling at the speed of the earth's rotation.

Also, you haven't answered filming the sun at thousands of miles away across the face of the earth (if it is plate shaped). I mean backyard telescopes can obtain fine detail of the moon, and enlarged imagery of other planets. Why couldn't they film the sun conclusively at thousands of miles away?

Every photo sequence or film shows the sun setting or rising spherically with the ocean horizon covering it until it disappears or appears. The only image that would make sense in a flat earth theory, would be for the sun to grow from a speck, perhaps circling from a side angle, into a enlargening orb that eventually passes overhead.

 

[JudasAnthony]

Have you taken any science or, more importantly, a physics class? I'm going to guess no.

yes I have, the same as you. I too was told at 5 that the earth was a spinning ball.
Do you know that when Newton proposed his theory of gravity that it was said "the concept is so difficult to comprehend that maybe only 6 men in the world are smart enough to grasp it"
This is a fact, this is what has been said.
Now riddle me this, if gravity is so complicated that only a handful of man can grasp it, then why are they reaching it to five year olds?

Easy answer...
Indoctrination..

There is no way we can grasp such concepts at an early age. Yet we are bombarded with it since kindergarten...

Let's say you were 33 and space/gravity/the shape of the earth was not taught to you.

Some smart motherfucker from Yale came up to you and said , you're on a ball moving millions of miles through space.
There is an invisible force holding you to the planet and the sun is wayyyy bigger then the earth and is 93 million miles away. How would you react?

You would call him a troll

 

[JudasAnthony]

Are you a christian?

you see my av? That's the great demonic king of earth, belial.
Do you see my location? That is the historical chant to summon said demon.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

you have the same logic and science skills as my drunk uncle. he 100% believes his house to be haunted, and every time something remotely odd happens he attributes it to the ghost.

last time i stayed there a door slammed shut and a picture fell off his fireplace. i looked around and he had this insane draft coming from his basement, literally could push a person. i told him about this and he said no way wind could do that. it was like talking to a fuckin tree stump that couldn't stop watching youtube. even when i showed him the draft he refused to believe it could slam a door shut. i think he was so drunk he forgot what the fuck wind was and was too embarrassed to tell me.

i have an open mind of the supernatural, especially ghosts and UFOs, but you can't abandon logic and your ability to weigh evidence just to prove a belief right.

this flat earth shit in particular is insane. if you had even any decent math skills, you could calculate the circumference of the earth on your own. or if you had any decent science / engineering skills, build your own balloon and camera to space. MIT students do this shit all the time. or fuck, just get on a plane and look out the fucking window. instead, you read other idiots and just rile yourself up b/c you are too dumb to think for yourself.

although personally, i think this flat earth shit is done by paid trolls. nobody is actually that stupid, but it makes people upset and the trolling gets threads derailed.

The revival of flat earth was I believe mostly about people looking to test there skills when it came to using dishonest methods of argument, most of them didn't believe what they were saying but offering a challenge to debunk it. Somewhere along the way though it got taken up by a culture of anti intellectualism which I think plays into a lot of the correct political climate. I don't think these people realise just how much scientific advancement over the last 2000+ years(especially in the modern era though) you need to reject in order to support it though, thinking NASA have an agenda is one thing, thinking everyone from Pythagoras to Newton does is another.

For the supernatural I notice you tend to get more of a gender divide, women believe in ghosts, astrology, etc a lot more than men who tend to believe in stuff like UFO's and cryptozoology more.

 

[sloppypie]

Actually you're the one who believes in something retarded and far fetched. You're the one who believes that your on a pear shaped rock spinning 1000 miles per hour while simultaneously being whipped into an orbit around the sun at six hundred miles per hour while the sun hurls in space at mind numbing speed

whoever is paying you to say this shit, just stop. seriously, just stop.

 

[rj144]

yes I have, the same as you. I too was told at 5 that the earth was a spinning ball.
Do you know that when Newton proposed his theory of gravity that it was said "the concept is so difficult to comprehend that maybe only 6 men in the world are smart enough to grasp it"
This is a fact, this is what has been said.
Now riddle me this, if gravity is so complicated that only a handful of man can grasp it, then why are they reaching it to five year olds?

Easy answer...
Indoctrination..

There is no way we can grasp such concepts at an early age. Yet we are bombarded with it since kindergarten...

Let's say you were 33 and space/gravity/the shape of the earth was not taught to you.

Some smart motherfucker from Yale came up to you and said , you're on a ball moving millions of miles through space.
There is an invisible force holding you to the planet and the sun is wayyyy bigger then the earth and is 93 million miles away. How would you react?

You would call him a troll

You don't understand what Newton was talking about at all, nor do you understand the most basic concepts of physics.

 

[ToxicShocker]

You can't have it both ways buddy. The average cloud weighs 1 million pounds per science. So gravity is strong enough to force thousands of clouds that weigh on average 1 million pounds to move with the earth yet weak enough that a fucking fly which weighs maybe a half a gram can beat this force by rubbing its wings together? How the fuck does that make any sense?
Why does smoke float? Should it not be sucked out of the air and forced to the surface of the ball earth? Or are you saying that gravity is conscious and let's smoke break it's law?


Actually you're the one who believes in something retarded and far fetched. You're the one who believes that your on a pear shaped rock spinning 1000 miles per hour while simultaneously being whipped into an orbit around the sun at six hundred miles per hour while the sun hurls in space at mind numbing speed

I think stupidity should be a bannable offense so that we can stop it's spread

 

[rj144]

I think stupidity should be a bannable offense so that we can stop it's spread

I completely agree... especially flat earthers. Was Scyther banned for his flat earth nonsense?

 

[JudasAnthony]

Who's having it both ways?

Clearly the atmosphere of the earth, along with the earth, and everything inside of it is spinning at about 1000 mph. This is similar to everyone in a plane moving along with the plane's atmosphere inside the cabin at whatever the speed the plane is traveling. The protected atmosphere inside the plane is protected against the atmosphere outside of the plane, which is traveling at the speed of the earth's rotation.

Also, you haven't answered filming the sun at thousands of miles away across the face of the earth (if it is plate shaped). I mean backyard telescopes can obtain fine detail of the moon, and enlarged imagery of other planets. Why couldn't they film the sun conclusively at thousands of miles away?

Every photo sequence or film shows the sun setting or rising spherically with the ocean horizon covering it until it disappears or appears. The only image that would make sense in a flat earth theory, would be for the sun to grow from a speck, perhaps circling from a side angle, into a enlargening orb that eventually passes overhead.

Perhaps you're right. On a plane you don't notice how fast you are going. Same as with a car, I concede that you can throw balls inside of a car and all that jazz.

However I must remind you that a car and airplane are protected from the atmosphere because the car and plane are made of metal. If you were to open the window to a car and stick your hand out then you feel the acceleration. If you were to rip the door from the plane midflight you would most certainly feel the speed.
Last time I checked the earth does not have windows nor does it have a door.

 

[sloppypie]

The revival of flat earth was I believe mostly about people looking to test there skills when it came to using dishonest methods of argument, most of them didn't believe what they were saying but offering a challenge to debunk it. Somewhere along the way though it got taken up by a culture of anti intellectualism which I think plays into a lot of the correct political climate. I don't think these people realise just how much scientific advancement over the last 2000+ years(especially in the modern era though) you need to reject in order to support it though, thinking NASA have an agenda is one thing, thinking everyone from Pythagoras to Newton does is another.

For the supernatural I notice you tend to get more of a gender divide, women believe in ghosts, astrology, etc a lot more than men who tend to believe in stuff like UFO's and cryptozoology more.

i'm having a hard time believing this flat earth shit is real. i mean being anti-intellectual is one thing, i get it that there's religious nuts that shit their pants over evolution or carbon dating. but this takes shit to a whole new level, b/c it's not just denying science, it's fabricating this ridiculous reality of an international government conspiracy.

which is why i'm fairly convinced people like judas aren't actual morons, he's paid by whatever entity to go on forums and talk about this shit just to rile people up. which clearly works b/c look at the response he's gotten in this thread. what the goal is i don't know, just being confrontational i guess to get people angry at each other. b/c then someone goes from this thread into a thread about politics and suddenly people are ready to throw bombs at each other.

 

[BEER]

I love it when people make my point in my thread.