Anyone remember thread w/ rankings of Fedor's opponents?

[Deleted member 429137]

I saw a thread awhile ago where someone went through the trouble of researching the ranking of every single fighter Fedor fought. It was amazing.

I can't find it now. Does have it bookmarked?

 

[Deleted member 429137]

(33-4, 1)

Fedor's Record vs Ranked Opponents:
(and all losses, draws)


WIN - Brett Rogers - Nov / 7 / 2009 -- Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers
7 hw - 2009 - Nov 1 - Fight Matrix-Published
6 hw - 2009 - Oct 31 - Sherdog
8 hw - 2009 - Oct 27 - MMA Weekly
6 hw - 2009 - Oct 13 (16) - Independent World MMA Rankings

WIN - Andrei Arlovski - Jan / 24 / 2009 -- Affliction - Day of Reckoning
19' P4P - 2008 - Dec 31 - YAHOO
3 hw - 2009 - JAN (4?) - MMA Fighting
2 hw - 2009 - Jan 11 - Bloody Elbow-Meta
2 hw - 2009 - Jan 7 - Sherdog
2 hw - 2009 - Jan 6 - Sports Illustrated/Josh Gross

WIN - Tim Sylvia - Jul / 19 / 2008 -- Affliction - Banned
4 hw - 2008 - Jul 9 - Sherdog
5 hw - 2008 - Jul 8 - MMA Weekly
5 hw - 2008 - Jun 30 - MMA Fighting
5 hw - 2008 - Jun 24 - Bloody Elbow-Meta

WIN - Matt Lindland - Apr / 14 / 2007 -- Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations
8 P4P - 2007 - Mar 30 - MMA on Tap
1 mw - 2007 - Apr 10 - MMA Weekly
3 mw - 2007 - Mar 7 - MMA News
2 mw - 2007 - JAN (17) - Bloody Knux
1 mw - 2006 - Nov 30 - MMA Fighting

WIN - Mark Hunt - Dec / 31 / 2006 -- Pride FC - Shockwave 2006
9 hw - 2006 - Dec 19 - MMA Weekly
7 hw - 2006 - Nov 30 - MMA Fighting
9 hw - 2006 - Nov 29 - MMA News
5 hw - 2006 - NOV - Associated Fight Press-Fightsport

WIN - Mirko Filipovic - Aug / 28 / 2005 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict 2005
2 hw - 2005 - Aug 12 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
3 hw - 2005 - JUN - Full Contact Fighter
3 hw - 2005 - May (12) - Bloody Knux
3 hw - 2005 - May 4 - ADCC MMA Top Ten

WIN - Tsuyoshi Kosaka - Apr / 3 / 2005 -- Pride - Bushido 6
17' hw - 2005 - Mar 8 - MMA Fighting
15 hw - 2005 - Apr 1 - Fight Matrix-Generated*^^^

WIN - Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Dec / 31 / 2004 -- Pride - Shockwave 2004
2 hw - 2004 - Dec 26 - The MMA Collective-MMARanks
1 hw - 2004 - Dec 20 - ADCC MMA Top Ten
2 hw - 2004 - NOV - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
2 hw - 2004 - Nov 14 - MMA Fighting

WIN - Naoya Ogawa - Aug / 15 / 2004 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict 2004
15 hw - 2004 - Jul 5 - MMA Fighting

WIN - Kevin Randleman - Jun / 20 / 2004 -- Pride FC - Critical Countdown 2004
10 lhw - 2004 - May 20 - ADCC MMA Top Ten
8 lhw - 2004 - MAY - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
9 lhw - 2004 - Apr 12 - Stephen Quadros

WIN - Mark Coleman - Apr / 25 / 2004 -- Pride FC - Total Elimination 2004
8 hw - 2004 - APR^ - Max Fighting/Josh Gross
10 hw - 2004 - Apr 1 - Fight Matrix-Generated*^^^

WIN - Kazuyuki Fujita - Jun / 8 / 2003 -- Pride 26 - Bad to the Bone
10 hw - 2003 - May 4 - MMA News

WIN - Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Mar / 16 / 2003 -- Pride 25 - Body Blow
1 hw - 2003 - Mar 4 - MMA News
1 hw - 2003 - MAR^ - Associated Fight Press-Fightsport
1 hw - 2003 - Feb 15 - MMA Media Top 10
1 hw - 2003 - Jan 31 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll

WIN - Heath Herring - Nov / 24 / 2002 -- Pride 23 - Championship Chaos 2
4 hw - 2002 - Nov 1 - MMA Media Top 10
4 hw - 2002 - OCT - Associated Fight Press-Fightsport
3 hw - 2002 - Sep 4 - Stephen Quadros
7 hw - 2002 - FEB - MMA Weekly-Fan Vote

WIN - Semmy Schilt - Jun / 23 / 2002 -- Pride 21 - Demolition
10 hw - 2002 - Jun 11 - MMA Media Top 10
9 hw - 2002 - Jan 12 - Stephen Quadros

WIN - Renato Sobral - Aug / 11 / 2001 -- Rings - 10th Anniversary
8 hw - 2001 - Jul 1 - Fight Matrix-Generated*^^^
9 hw - 2001 - JAN - MMA Writers Top Ten (^2-0 vs TK & Tamura)




LOSS - Dan Henderson - Jul / 30 / 2011 -- Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Henderson
7 lhw - 2011 - Jul 29 - Bloody Elbow-Consensus
6 lhw - 2011 - Jul 12 - MMA Fighting/Michael David Smith
6 lhw - 2011 - Jul 9 - MMA Torch
7 lhw - 2011 - Jul 6 - MMA Weekly

LOSS - Antonio Silva - Feb / 12 / 2011 -- Strikeforce - Fedor vs. Silva
10 hw - 2011 - Feb 9 - MMA Weekly
10 hw - 2011 - Feb 8 - Sherdog
9 hw - 2011 - Feb 1 - MMA Bay
10 hw - 2011 - Jan 27 - Bloody Elbow-Consensus

LOSS - Fabricio Werdum - Jun / 26 / 2010 -- Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Werdum
9 hw - 2010 - Jun 24 - Bloody Elbow-Consensus
9 hw - 2010 - Jun 22 - MMA Weekly
9 hw - 2010 - Jun 2 - LA Times
9 hw - 2010 - Jun 1 (4) - Independent World MMA Rankings

LOSS - Tsuyoshi Kosaka - Dec / 22 / 2000 -- Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B

 

[Guile]

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[ticho123]

Sokodjou was like top 5 when Machida beat him. Im positive Leites and Maia were both top 5-10 when Anderson beat them, yet no one counts those as big wins. Im a Fedor fan of sorts but his (now mostly defunct) horde of nuthuggers are really dedicated in giving his wins positive reinforcement with dark age MMA rankings

 

[cheesus]

In before " but he only fought cans " etc

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Sokodjou was like top 5 when Machida beat him. Im positive Leites and Maia were both top 5-10 when Anderson beat them, yet no one counts those as big wins. Im a Fedor fan of sorts but his (now mostly defunct) horde of nuthuggers are really dedicated in giving his wins positive reinforcement with dark age MMA rankings

The guy who made this list also compiled a list for Anderson and maybe even Machida. No one knowledgable is overlooking their opponents.

You're basically upset because Fedor fans aren't dopey noobs.

 

[DizzyYeahYeah]

Sokodjou was like top 5 when Machida beat him. Im positive Leites and Maia were both top 5-10 when Anderson beat them, yet no one counts those as big wins. Im a Fedor fan of sorts but his (now mostly defunct) horde of nuthuggers are really dedicated in giving his wins positive reinforcement with dark age MMA rankings

These type of lists are made for people who doubt Fedor in GOAT discussions. Nobody doubts Anderson in GOAT discussions. Shuddup.

 

[MartinGibson86]

LOL @ ogawa #15 when he fought Fedor. He was 7-0. Aside from a 9-7 Gary Goodridge (probably fixed too), his other 6 opponents entered the ring with a combined 2 wins and won a grand total of 3 mma fights COMBINED.

I'm sure if you try hard enough, you'll find someone who had Zulu ranked too.

Fedor huggers are the scourge of Sherdog.

 

[DaPunkMinowaMan]

LOL @ ogawa #15 when he fought Fedor. He was 7-0. Aside from a 9-7 Gary Goodridge (probably fixed too), his other 6 opponents entered the ring with a combined 2 wins and won a grand total of 3 mma fights COMBINED.

I'm sure if you try hard enough, you'll find someone who had Zulu ranked too.

Fedor huggers are the scourge of Sherdog.

there he goes again...

 

[InfinityLens]

LOL @ ogawa #15 when he fought Fedor. He was 7-0. Aside from a 9-7 Gary Goodridge (probably fixed too),

Evidence?

 

[ticho123]

The guy who made this list also compiled a list for Anderson and maybe even Machida. No one knowledgable is overlooking their opponents.

You're basically upset because Fedor fans aren't dopey noobs.

The thing is, Sokodjou wasnt that good. He was overranked due to two big wins, but in hindsight we know he wasnt that good. This isnt like saying Shogun was never that good because he lost like OSP, this is a case where a fighter was simply ranked at a spot where he didnt belong. This is especially evident when looking at dark age MMA rankings where people can be ranked for barely any reason at all aside from being around and having more wins than losses

 

[Deleted member 429137]

The thing is, Sokodjou wasnt that good. He was overranked due to two big wins, but in hindsight we know he wasnt that good. This isnt like saying Shogun was never that good because he lost like OSP, this is a case where a fighter was simply ranked at a spot where he didnt belong. This is especially evident when looking at dark age MMA rankings where people can be ranked for barely any reason at all aside from being around and having more wins than losses

No, he was very good. He was a high-ranking judoka who came into MMA and upset two top guys. It's more accurate to say he never lived up to his early flashes of brilliance or he never lived up to his potential.

What you're describing isn't hindsight, but a noob commenting on things he never personally witnessed.

And I don't think you know what the dark ages of MMA were.

And also, the ranking system was just fine. People have known how to rank fighters for over 100 years and by the time Sokodjou was in Pride there were many, many skilled fighters competing to be ranked. He was ranked highly because he earned it. Then he fell off the rankings because he stopped earning it. You're looking at that as a sign that the rankings didn't work, but that's exactly how rankings should work.

 

[ticho123]

No, he was very good. He was a high-ranking judoka who came into MMA and upset two top guys. It's more accurate to say he never lived up to his early flashes of brilliance or he never lived up to his potential.

What you're describing isn't hindsight, but a noob commenting on things he never personally witnessed.

And I don't think you know what the dark ages of MMA were.

And also, the ranking system was just fine. People have known how to rank fighters for over 100 years and by the time Sokodjou was in Pride there were many, many skilled fighters competing to be ranked. He was ranked highly because he earned it. Then he fell off the rankings because he stopped earning it. You're looking at that as a sign that the rankings didn't work, but that's exactly how rankings should work.

When I tall about the dark ages Im not talking about Sokodjou lol that was like 2008 or something. Im talking about the kind of dark age HW rankings that had Heath Herring as a top 4 etc. Discussing the rankings only as they were makes for flimsy reasoning. We must be allowed to see the fighters for what they are/were. Sokodjou wasnt a top 5 LHW that magically got replaced by a top 15 one. For those few fights he was the same fighter - a dangerous guy who earned a few upset wins, then never did anything significant again. Thus we dont talk about him as a top win for Machida.

 

[The Reed]

Sokodjou was like top 5 when Machida beat him. Im positive Leites and Maia were both top 5-10 when Anderson beat them, yet no one counts those as big wins. Im a Fedor fan of sorts but his (now mostly defunct) horde of nuthuggers are really dedicated in giving his wins positive reinforcement with dark age MMA rankings

Breaking news, fighters who are currently top 10 may not be top 10 in a few years.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

When I tall about the dark ages Im not talking about Sokodjou lol that was like 2008 or something. Im talking about the kind of dark age HW rankings that had Heath Herring as a top 4 etc. Discussing the rankings only as they were makes for flimsy reasoning. We must be allowed to see the fighters for what they are/were. Sokodjou wasnt a top 5 LHW that magically got replaced by a top 15 one. For those few fights he was the same fighter - a dangerous guy who earned a few upset wins, then never did anything significant again. Thus we dont talk about him as a top win for Machida.

Wtf? Heath Herring was a top guy in a division that had some very dangerous fighters who would do ok today. Have you ignored how many old school fighters were still in the UFC top ten just a few years ago?

What was Sokodjou ranked when he lost to Machida? He certainly wasn't ranked as highly as when he knocked out Li'l Nog. And that's good, that means the system works.

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point. You clearly have no knowledge of MMA, rankings or the flow of time.

All fighters fall out of the rankings and it certainly doesn't mean they were never good.

 

[ticho123]

Wtf? Heath Herring was a top guy in a division that had some very dangerous fighters who would do ok today. Have you ignored how many old school fighters were still in the UFC top ten just a few years ago?

What was Sokodjou ranked when he lost to Machida? He certainly wasn't ranked as highly as when he knocked out Li'l Nog. And that's good, that means the system works.

I don't even know what you're arguing at this point. You clearly have no knowledge of MMA, rankings or the flow of time.

All fighters fall out of the rankings and it certainly doesn't mean they were never good.

Soko shouldve been ranked about the same, Machida was the one who broke his streak.

And while your last paragraph is common knowledge, what Im trying to say here is that when a fighter falls out of ranking it doesnt have to mean he was never that good, but it COULD absolutely mean that he was indeed never that good, especially if we're talking about old rankings.

All Im saying is that I hope the people praising Fedor for beating guys like Herring, Coleman, Fujita, will also remember to give equal praise to more unassuming fighters on other GOAT contenders records like Murray for Anderson or someone like Trigg for GSP, who dont have the name value of someone like Randleman, but certainly was as capable in their respective divisions.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Soko shouldve been ranked about the same, Machida was the one who broke his streak.

And while your last paragraph is common knowledge, what Im trying to say here is that when a fighter falls out of ranking it doesnt have to mean he was never that good, but it COULD absolutely mean that he was indeed never that good, especially if we're talking about old rankings.

And I'm saying that is bullshit. Even in the true dark ages of MMA, there was a shitload of talented, skilled guys fighting overseas. It was America that was a deserted wasteland of skill.

All Im saying is that I hope the people praising Fedor for beating guys like Herring, Coleman, Fujita, will also remember to give equal praise to more unassuming fighters on other GOAT contenders records like Murray for Anderson or someone like Trigg for GSP, who dont have the name value of someone like Randleman, but certainly was as capable in their respective divisions.

Yes. If you see anyone talking down other fighters because their head is up their ass, I would hope you and all MMA fans would call them out on it. However, since nobody was doing that in this thread, you got some pushback.

I suggest you start a thread praising all those old fighters who were ranked and who, today, dipshit noobs tend to dismiss as untalented or thriving in an empty division. I would love to participate in that thread, tbh.

 

[SMEGMA]

(33-4, 1)

Fedor's Record vs Ranked Opponents:
(and all losses, draws)


WIN - Brett Rogers - Nov / 7 / 2009 -- Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers
7 hw - 2009 - Nov 1 - Fight Matrix-Published
6 hw - 2009 - Oct 31 - Sherdog
8 hw - 2009 - Oct 27 - MMA Weekly
6 hw - 2009 - Oct 13 (16) - Independent World MMA Rankings

WIN - Andrei Arlovski - Jan / 24 / 2009 -- Affliction - Day of Reckoning
19' P4P - 2008 - Dec 31 - YAHOO
3 hw - 2009 - JAN (4?) - MMA Fighting
2 hw - 2009 - Jan 11 - Bloody Elbow-Meta
2 hw - 2009 - Jan 7 - Sherdog
2 hw - 2009 - Jan 6 - Sports Illustrated/Josh Gross

WIN - Tim Sylvia - Jul / 19 / 2008 -- Affliction - Banned
4 hw - 2008 - Jul 9 - Sherdog
5 hw - 2008 - Jul 8 - MMA Weekly
5 hw - 2008 - Jun 30 - MMA Fighting
5 hw - 2008 - Jun 24 - Bloody Elbow-Meta

WIN - Matt Lindland - Apr / 14 / 2007 -- Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations
8 P4P - 2007 - Mar 30 - MMA on Tap
1 mw - 2007 - Apr 10 - MMA Weekly
3 mw - 2007 - Mar 7 - MMA News
2 mw - 2007 - JAN (17) - Bloody Knux
1 mw - 2006 - Nov 30 - MMA Fighting

WIN - Mark Hunt - Dec / 31 / 2006 -- Pride FC - Shockwave 2006
9 hw - 2006 - Dec 19 - MMA Weekly
7 hw - 2006 - Nov 30 - MMA Fighting
9 hw - 2006 - Nov 29 - MMA News
5 hw - 2006 - NOV - Associated Fight Press-Fightsport

WIN - Mirko Filipovic - Aug / 28 / 2005 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict 2005
2 hw - 2005 - Aug 12 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
3 hw - 2005 - JUN - Full Contact Fighter
3 hw - 2005 - May (12) - Bloody Knux
3 hw - 2005 - May 4 - ADCC MMA Top Ten

WIN - Tsuyoshi Kosaka - Apr / 3 / 2005 -- Pride - Bushido 6
17' hw - 2005 - Mar 8 - MMA Fighting
15 hw - 2005 - Apr 1 - Fight Matrix-Generated*^^^

WIN - Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Dec / 31 / 2004 -- Pride - Shockwave 2004
2 hw - 2004 - Dec 26 - The MMA Collective-MMARanks
1 hw - 2004 - Dec 20 - ADCC MMA Top Ten
2 hw - 2004 - NOV - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
2 hw - 2004 - Nov 14 - MMA Fighting

WIN - Naoya Ogawa - Aug / 15 / 2004 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict 2004
15 hw - 2004 - Jul 5 - MMA Fighting

WIN - Kevin Randleman - Jun / 20 / 2004 -- Pride FC - Critical Countdown 2004
10 lhw - 2004 - May 20 - ADCC MMA Top Ten
8 lhw - 2004 - MAY - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
9 lhw - 2004 - Apr 12 - Stephen Quadros

WIN - Mark Coleman - Apr / 25 / 2004 -- Pride FC - Total Elimination 2004
8 hw - 2004 - APR^ - Max Fighting/Josh Gross
10 hw - 2004 - Apr 1 - Fight Matrix-Generated*^^^

WIN - Kazuyuki Fujita - Jun / 8 / 2003 -- Pride 26 - Bad to the Bone
10 hw - 2003 - May 4 - MMA News

WIN - Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Mar / 16 / 2003 -- Pride 25 - Body Blow
1 hw - 2003 - Mar 4 - MMA News
1 hw - 2003 - MAR^ - Associated Fight Press-Fightsport
1 hw - 2003 - Feb 15 - MMA Media Top 10
1 hw - 2003 - Jan 31 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll

WIN - Heath Herring - Nov / 24 / 2002 -- Pride 23 - Championship Chaos 2
4 hw - 2002 - Nov 1 - MMA Media Top 10
4 hw - 2002 - OCT - Associated Fight Press-Fightsport
3 hw - 2002 - Sep 4 - Stephen Quadros
7 hw - 2002 - FEB - MMA Weekly-Fan Vote

WIN - Semmy Schilt - Jun / 23 / 2002 -- Pride 21 - Demolition
10 hw - 2002 - Jun 11 - MMA Media Top 10
9 hw - 2002 - Jan 12 - Stephen Quadros

WIN - Renato Sobral - Aug / 11 / 2001 -- Rings - 10th Anniversary
8 hw - 2001 - Jul 1 - Fight Matrix-Generated*^^^
9 hw - 2001 - JAN - MMA Writers Top Ten (^2-0 vs TK & Tamura)




LOSS - Dan Henderson - Jul / 30 / 2011 -- Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Henderson
7 lhw - 2011 - Jul 29 - Bloody Elbow-Consensus
6 lhw - 2011 - Jul 12 - MMA Fighting/Michael David Smith
6 lhw - 2011 - Jul 9 - MMA Torch
7 lhw - 2011 - Jul 6 - MMA Weekly

LOSS - Antonio Silva - Feb / 12 / 2011 -- Strikeforce - Fedor vs. Silva
10 hw - 2011 - Feb 9 - MMA Weekly
10 hw - 2011 - Feb 8 - Sherdog
9 hw - 2011 - Feb 1 - MMA Bay
10 hw - 2011 - Jan 27 - Bloody Elbow-Consensus

LOSS - Fabricio Werdum - Jun / 26 / 2010 -- Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Werdum
9 hw - 2010 - Jun 24 - Bloody Elbow-Consensus
9 hw - 2010 - Jun 22 - MMA Weekly
9 hw - 2010 - Jun 2 - LA Times
9 hw - 2010 - Jun 1 (4) - Independent World MMA Rankings

LOSS - Tsuyoshi Kosaka - Dec / 22 / 2000 -- Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B

Why didn't you list the other half of Fedor's opponents?

 

[Bill Laimbeer]

How was Mark Hunt ranked back then? A split with Cro-Cop and finishing TK warrants a top ten ranking? Rankings always will be a joke. Fedor fought a lot of one dimensional fighters and guys past their primes. He did have good wins but his resume is overrated.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Why didn't you list the other half of Fedor's opponents?

It's almost as though you don't know how a list of top ten ranked opponents works. But, no, you couldn't be that stupid.

And also are you aware that he fought several times per year and for every Zulu there were also several ranked matches that same year? Now think about how infrequently modern champions fight in the UFC and maybe you can pull your head out of your ass.