Anyone here still does low carb or zero carb?

[Biased]

However, my athletes rarely ever need to do the dumb shit weight-cutting athletes typically need to do to make their weights. Spending long times in steam rooms or saunas, wearing plastic at the Gym, etc. That's almost NEVER needed.

Well I have to ask, mind sharing some tips on this and also re hydrating after making weight?

 

[Cyclone Mike]

Also, what's not being said is having worked with Mike through a couple of cutting cycles, while he's reporting to me that he feels like shit, form and performance actually get sharper closer to the bout itself, not worse. And at fight time, the opposition tires out faster than we do:

Don't tell me how to feel! But seriously, it can certainly be done, but it doesn't feel good is all I'm saying. I think anyone who feels fucking great on it is trying to sell you something or isn't working very hard.

I think we outlast the competition because we beat them up and have worked on our conditioning shit, not because of what's going on with our diet. I think we're still saying the same thing, but not sure.

 

[Sinister]

Well I have to ask, mind sharing some tips on this and also re hydrating after making weight?

Normally we use a mixture of something like Sobe Lifewater 0 and Emergen-C. More electrolytes than glucose, a small amount of glucose to deliver said electrolytes. They do consume carbs the day of a competition, but not enough to bloat, feel lethargic, etc. Well, if I have anything to say about it.

Don't tell me how to feel! But seriously, it can certainly be done, but it doesn't feel good is all I'm saying. I think anyone who feels fucking great on it is trying to sell you something or isn't working very hard.

I think we outlast the competition because we beat them up and have worked on our conditioning shit, not because of what's going on with our diet. I think we're still saying the same thing, but not sure.

Meh, there are plenty of people who don't complain how "it" feels who aren't selling something, and I'm not reporting how I myself felt when I did it, and I DO sell things, essentially. But if you say someone who says they don't feel good isn't working very hard, then you've successfully identified the hard work as the driving force behind their feeling like shit, not necessarily the food. As you seem to indicate in the next paragraph, just not in the right context. Working hard enough to prepare for a fight feels like shit in general for a while, until everything starts to come together.

Working on conditioning isn't going to go very far without good nutrition. Machine don't run well with shitty fuel.

 

[MMouse]

Personally ive done low, high, moderate and it all depends on what your goals are at given time.

Makes no sense doing high intensity workouts on a daily basis with low carb unless you wanna feel like crap and not perform well. Timing also helps given performance and recovery

And I dont know about others but carb sources coming from nutritious sources such as whole foods, plant based, fruits ect tend to be fine with me unlike processed sugary stuff.

 

[haysus31]

I was reading this thread when it was started and this morning had eggs with mushrooms basically very low carb breakfast without trying (wife and kids ate all the bread). Ran some errands came home and realized the weather was so nice decided to take my bicycle out and ride a few miles. I dont like to eat before exercise so made sure I had enough water and hit the road. Ended up going further then originally planned since the weather was so nice. I rode 35 hilly miles and limped back home almost 3 hours later. The last 45 minutes were rough I was hurting, started to get cramps around my upper abdomen. Bizarre since I kept drinking from my water bottles and it was 60 degrees today. This was just an odd day for me, I am not on a low carb diet, just happened to end up leaving home on a low fuel tank.

 

[haysus31]

I can only imagine what training on an actual low carb diet must feel like. According to the 2 apps I use for bicycling I burned either 1300 or 2000 calories depending on which you believe. I basically ate approximately 250 calories for breakfast then hit the road 3 hours later without eating anything else.

 

[Seriously-Dead]

Working on conditioning isn't going to go very far without good nutrition. Machine don't run well with shitty fuel.

I'd say that most professional athletes, who generally eat like shit, disprove this. Especially athletes who don't have to worry about weight classes.

 

[MMouse]

I'd say that most professional athletes, who generally eat like shit, disprove this. Especially athletes who don't have to worry about weight classes.

Not starting a debate but Im assuming sinister might of meant "good nutrition" in a general aspect. It can either be having nutritious whole some food or having enough calories.

You're right that alot of pro athletes eat like crap, and it makes sense especially considering a number of factors such as the amount of volume they train day in day out week in week out, calorie dense foods can help them meet their needs and recovery. Genetics is another factor. When you're 6+ and 225+ training and competing regularly full time, good luck trying to get enough cals in with high volume low calorie foods. Can you imagine lebron at his size trying to eat "clean foods"

 

[Cyclone Mike]

Not starting a debate but Im assuming sinister might of meant "good nutrition" in a general aspect. It can either be having nutritious whole some food or having enough calories.

You're right that alot of pro athletes eat like crap, and it makes sense especially considering a number of factors such as the amount of volume they train day in day out week in week out, calorie dense foods can help them meet their needs and recovery. Genetics is another factor. When you're 6+ and 225+ training and competing regularly full time, good luck trying to get enough cals in with high volume low calorie foods. Can you imagine lebron at his size trying to eat "clean foods"

Lebron went keto and lost a lot of weight!
http://www.si.com/edge/2014/08/11/inside-lebron-james-weight-loss-and-low-carb-diet

 

[Seriously-Dead]

Not starting a debate but Im assuming sinister might of meant "good nutrition" in a general aspect. It can either be having nutritious whole some food or having enough calories.

You're right that alot of pro athletes eat like crap, and it makes sense especially considering a number of factors such as the amount of volume they train day in day out week in week out, calorie dense foods can help them meet their needs and recovery. Genetics is another factor. When you're 6+ and 225+ training and competing regularly full time, good luck trying to get enough cals in with high volume low calorie foods. Can you imagine lebron at his size trying to eat "clean foods"

Yeah, for most pro athletes the only thing that really matters is getting enough calories. And having a really high calorie intake makes meeting the RDAs really easy, so most athletes don't need a ton of tweaking with their diet.

It's funny that you brought up Lebron. Dude went low-carb and lost a fuck ton of weight. The funny thing? His performance didn't really change at all, except he's boasting his worst FG% in over six years (but to be fair, his return to Cleveland may been the biggest reason for that). I don't think any of his stats have improved this season.

 

[Biased]

Normally we use a mixture of something like Sobe Lifewater 0 and Emergen-C. More electrolytes than glucose, a small amount of glucose to deliver said electrolytes. They do consume carbs the day of a competition, but not enough to bloat, feel lethargic, etc. Well, if I have anything to say about it.

I appreciate that, It's always neat to hear because so many people do it differently.

I am guessing the carb choice they do take is something slow digesting like oats? Like an oatmeal bar with low sugar, or do you guys go the opposite way and have something high on the glycemic index?

I would be worried about having possible bathroom problems right before the fight by introducing something you haven't had in so long. Thoughts?

 

[Sinister]

Well, if you're going to have bathroom problems you want to eat way before the actual event. Fortunately with boxing, between weigh-ins and fight time there's usually a few hours. Even if they consume simpler carbohydrates, it's usually paired with enough protein and fat that it won't have strong adverse effects the way say, smashing a few cupcakes could.

When I used to fast for 18 hours, then have simple sugars, I'd be asleep within 15 minutes and always had the deepest sleep of the entire week. If your body responds that way, you definitely don't want to do it on the day of a fight.

 

[MMouse]

Yeah, for most pro athletes the only thing that really matters is getting enough calories. And having a really high calorie intake makes meeting the RDAs really easy, so most athletes don't need a ton of tweaking with their diet.

It's funny that you brought up Lebron. Dude went low-carb and lost a fuck ton of weight. The funny thing? His performance didn't really change at all, except he's boasting his worst FG% in over six years (but to be fair, his return to Cleveland may been the biggest reason for that). I don't think any of his stats have improved this season.

Is he still on low carb? He still looks relatively big.

 

[xsnail]

Give the Whole30 thing a try and see how your body reacts with reintroduction of certain food items.

http://whole30.com/

 

[Balthasar]

Give the Whole30 thing a try and see how your body reacts with reintroduction of certain food items.

http://whole30.com/

I wanted to try that about a year ago but it seriously would've costed me more than a thousand dollars for just one month lol, so I didn't really do it.