Anyone here read Nietzsche ?

LogicalInsanity said:
Yup...that's what I remember reading...like how they even conquered us through language, by making us call Priests, "fathers." And how there was always one at the beginning of yoru life (baptism) and the end of your life. (funeral)

I really thought the whole concept of labeling "natural" things sinful was incredibly interesting, never thought of it that way...Nietzche was deep.
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Yes.I also should point out his theory that different moralities originated from different idiosyncrasies.For example - Christians hated this life because they were physically weak,ill etc.

They resented their masters' strength and beauty and perverted it into something evil.

They invented an after life because their earthly life was deprived of joy and happiness.
 
Spoken said:
Meh, can't say I'm into Nietzsche specifically, but I read a lot of Heidegger, Derrida, and Kierkegaard, so I'm in hanging with the same crowd.

his stuff on Christianity is interesting, but well deconstructed at this point. Moltmann, Benson, and Marion are helpful.

Also, Heidegger > Nietzsche
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I would have to disagree.All the other philosophers were simply justifying popular prejudices unlike Nietzsche who completely destroyed Ideals and religion.

Others were the servants of the people and Nietzsche was the servant of the truth.

Can't serve both.
 
Haha, I just ordered a Kaufman translation yesterday on Amazon. I lent my copy out to a friend who, shockingly, never returned it.

"Is there anyone who would like to take a little look down on and under that secret how man fabricates an ideal on earth? Who has the courage for that? Come on, now! Here is an open glimpse into this dark workshop. Just wait a moment, my dear Mr. Presumptuous and Nosy: your eye must first get used to this artificial flickering light. . . So, enough! Now speak! What’s going on down there? Speak up. Say what you see, man of the most dangerous curiosity—now I’m the one who’s listening.—"
 
BKMMAFAN said:
Haha, I just ordered a Kaufman translation yesterday on Amazon. I lent my copy out to a friend who, shockingly, never returned it.

"Is there anyone who would like to take a little look down on and under that secret how man fabricates an ideal on earth? Who has the courage for that? Come on, now! Here is an open glimpse into this dark workshop. Just wait a moment, my dear Mr. Presumptuous and Nosy: your eye must first get used to this artificial flickering light. . . So, enough! Now speak! What
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Nietzsche despised Christianity,Democracy and all the talk about being equal.

He said that one universal moral code is impossible because it disregards the fact that there is an order of rank among people.

He is also the first to describe the "modern man" as precise as it gets.When you read it it was like he wrote it yesterday and not 150 years ago.
 
Nietzsche was a giant with his craft... I always enjoyed reading his material throughout my course study
 
Taras Bulba said:
I would have to disagree.All the other philosophers were simply justifying popular prejudices unlike Nietzsche who completely destroyed Ideals and religion.

Others were the servants of the people and Nietzsche was the servant of the truth.

Can't serve both.
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Those guys are using Nietzsche for the sake of theology, noting his interpretation his interpretation of christianity is rather flawed; the God Nietzsche fought against was one of onto-theology and the enlightenment, a helm that Heidegger later picked up in Being and Time and Introduction to Metaphyisics.
Nietzsche failed to get at the heart of the Christian doctrine; the theological landscape of Germany is a rather different look than classic and contemporary theology. Nietzsche was dealing with a cultural-linguistic interpretation of the faith, but failed to get at the heart of it.

I'm going to assume you've never read Moltmann, Heidegger, Marion, or Benson?

also, the bolded trop is meaningless in making a claim.
 
Spoken said:
Those guys are using Nietzsche for the sake of theology, noting his interpretation his interpretation of christianity is rather flawed; the God Nietzsche fought against was one of onto-theology and the enlightenment, a helm that Heidegger later picked up in Being and Time and Introduction to Metaphyisics.
Nietzsche failed to get at the heart of the Christian doctrine; the theological landscape of Germany is a rather different look than classic and contemporary theology. Nietzsche was dealing with a cultural-linguistic interpretation of the faith, but failed to get at the heart of it.

I'm going to assume you've never read Moltmann, Heidegger, Marion, or Benson?
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No I haven't.It's probably because the metaphysics is just a shot in the dark with no real truth to it.It's just a bunch of illusions that originated from personal experience and prejudices.

That's why Nietzsche said "God is dead.". That means that "Metaphysics is dead." and that means that we should forget all our talk about God and Genesis and simply focus on this,Earthly life.

Man and pushing him to his limits(Overman) should be our focus according to him.
 
Nietzsche is very readable in English, and you definitely don't need to read it in the original German. Also, Nietzsche shares the distinction with Schopenhauer of being one of the finest writers among philosophers, a titan of German writing.

He's not like Heidegger, who coined his own oh-so-precious philosophical terminology because his concepts couldn't be expressed in ordinary words. Reading Heidegger is like being stabbed in the eye, over and over again, until you "get it."
 
What are you thoughts on this Nietzschean quote?

"No one lies so boldly as the man who is indignant." - Friedrich Nietzsche.

I could never quite see the connection....
 
Spoken said:
Those guys are using Nietzsche for the sake of theology, noting his interpretation his interpretation of christianity is rather flawed; the God Nietzsche fought against was one of onto-theology and the enlightenment, a helm that Heidegger later picked up in Being and Time and Introduction to Metaphyisics.
Nietzsche failed to get at the heart of the Christian doctrine; the theological landscape of Germany is a rather different look than classic and contemporary theology. Nietzsche was dealing with a cultural-linguistic interpretation of the faith, but failed to get at the heart of it.

I'm going to assume you've never read Moltmann, Heidegger, Marion, or Benson?

also, the bolded trop is meaningless in making a claim.
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German analytic philosophers are brutal to actually read. I find phenomenology and existentialism so much less interesting than epistemology. At least Nietzsche is readable and thought provoking for any academically inclined person, even if they don't have the time/patience/endurance to make it through Being and Time.
 
Jackuk said:
What are you thoughts on this Nietzschean quote?

"No one lies so boldly as the man who is indignant." - Friedrich Nietzsche.

I could never quite see the connection....
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I mean this in all seriousness...

it's analogous to 'he who smelt it dealt it'. Really.
 
Taras Bulba said:
Ah yes,the chapter that's ending with something along the lines of "Out ! I have to get out of this workshop of ideals ! It stinks really bad in here ! I need to get outside where the air is clear."

Nietzsche was thunder.
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Indeed. One of my favorite selections for sure.
 
Taras Bulba said:
No I haven't.It's probably because the metaphysics is just a shot in the dark with no real truth to it.It's just a bunch of illusions that originated from personal experience and prejudices.

That's why Nietzsche said "God is dead.". That means that "Metaphysics is dead." and that means that we should forget all our talk about God and Genesis and simply focus on this,Earthly life.

Man and pushing him to his limits(Overman) should be our focus according to him.
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But Nietzsche is a just a bunch of opinions too. You're acting like his ideas were scientific or something. It sounds just like storytelling, much like Freud did later. Who was influenced by Nietzsche. They just tell stories of why they think religion originated and what the role is, that originated from their personal experiences and prejudices.
 
Taras Bulba said:
No I haven't.It's probably because the metaphysics is just a shot in the dark with no real truth to it.It's just a bunch of illusions that originated from personal experience and prejudices.

That's why Nietzsche said "God is dead.". That means that "Metaphysics is dead." and that means that we should forget all our talk about God and Genesis and simply focus on this,Earthly life.

Man and pushing him to his limits(Overman) should be our focus according to him.
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Be weary of making assumptions. Heidegger didn't have a platonic concept of metaphysics, nor is metaphysics specifically defined as platinic/aristotelian speculation on being. Heidegger is Nietzschean in his approach to metaphysics.

As for God is dead- you're correct. Onto-theology/metaphysical God of being. Not all theology is grounded in such speculation... and is, as you put it, focuses on earthly life.

...go read Being and Time and Benson. Being and Time might rape your skull, and it is one of the hardest things you can read in contemporary philosophy, but still.
 
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