Any OG diehards not as interested as you were?

I stopped being a die-hard when I had kids, around 2013.

Back in the early 2000's I would watch the 30 minute PRIDE/UFC promos on loop all day before an event.

The only reason why I watch every card now is because i bet on the fights.
 
Too much drama, not enough fighting.
Exactly this it's all contract talk, money talk, and TS demands after 1 fight fight streaks. TBF all sports have regressed on these areas though. Not just MMA. Soccer 10 years ago was still beautiful game. Now it's just contract talks and IG bullshit
 
I'm forever a fight fan and follow the sport closer than I did back in my college days. However, I miss the days when we got stacked PPV cards of well-known names for like $50.
 
My interest has always gone up and down over the years. It's been fairly high since covid where at other times it's been non existent. I live in a cold weather climate which plays a big part for me also. We only get so many nice, warm Saturdays in a year and I don't watch fights on any of them
 
Yep I'm not interested as much anymore. Reasons:

- Don't care about WMMA in general
- Don't care about midget fights
- Don't even care about HW, skill cap seems terribly low and there are 2-3 good fighters
- Everyone who gets a win is called the next/current GOAT
- We don't have any guys with the "aura" that prime Andy (and others) had
- Grapplers getting a top 20 win then calling out GOAT boxers etc

I still actively watch a lot of the UFC cards, but my fave fighters are all gone at this point and it's hard to be psyched about most guys in the current crop.
 
Exactly this it's all contract talk, money talk, and TS demands after 1 fight fight streaks. TBF all sports have regressed on these areas though. Not just MMA. Soccer 10 years ago was still beautiful game. Now it's just contract talks and IG bullshit

I don't watch soccer/football.

But yeah, I guess it's gone this way for all sports.

An NFL coach is suing three teams, AND the entire league as a whole (two different suits).
 
Maybe it is the never ending CoVID thing.
Maybe it is PPV now being $74.99
Maybe it is the endless bickering everywhere
OR
Maybe I am just getting old (43)

I just recognize the passion has dropped a notch
Does anyone agree and if so, what do you think is the reason?
I think that it is a normal trend as the sport grows.
Fairweather fans joining, fighters becoming loudmouths for the sake of likes/hates so they can make that McGregor Money...

Add with more (unknown) fighters, less fighters you identify with, etc...

Fighters (in early days) wanted to prove they were the best. That was due to pride.
Now they are businessmen. They don't want to take interesting fights that does not advance their careers.
So we have all top contenders looking up, no one willing to fight down the ladder.

Fans are also horrible.
They complain about fighters that get fast tracked, until they like someone, then the DEMAND him to be fast tracked.
Useless rematches...

it all adds up and at one point you just notice you are not following half as much as you did.
COmes Saturday night and you start thinking if it is worth watching one more watered down card.... maybe just the main event? And if you miss it, fuck it.
At some point, you don't even check who won anymore....
 
Fights were much more interesting when fighters didn't grow up in a gym because of the unpredictability of which discipline would ultimately win nowadays everyone is trained to be a complete fighter instead of being exceptional at one skill
 
UFC business model of paying fighters peanuts has hurt their ability to find new talent.

Cejudo wanted to fight Yan but they wouldn't pay him so he left.

Jones wanted to fight Ngannou but they wouldn't pay him so he left.

Ngannou wants to get paid and if they don't freeze him he's trying to to leave.

This is why the LHW division has a dinosauric fossil as Champion who took the belt from a 39 year old journeyman. This is why a journeyman with 19 losses like Anthony Smith is still a top 5 title contender.

This is why the next best fight at HW is Derrick Lewis vs Tuivasa. Two guys who wouldn't he top 10 in 2005.

This is why champions like Moreno put on epic fights and sell out arenas and still make 120k a fight.

UFC knows their brand is so strong and their fans are so dumb that they can slap the Coca cola (ufc) brand on any fight and the fans will drink it up and love it.

10B company but can't muster any real talent in the bigger divisions where the REAL ATHLETES are.

UFC= U FIGHT CHEAP and they will continue to profit as the price of cards goes up while the talent goes down.

This. Dana is riding around in Lambo's fucking 5 figure coke whores living the dream while a good chunk of fighters cant even afford to pay their coaches for a fight camp and literally live upstairs because they can't afford their own place. And their in the damn UFC. On top of that bullshit you got "they signed the contract brah" jackasses knowing Dana is going to lowball every single fighter on the roster including McGregor. The ambitions of the average MMA fighter is not going to negotiate and resist Dana's offer cus it's literally the only way into getting your foot in the door to the most promotion and fame your likely ever going to get in the MMA scene, but sure as shit wont get paid what your actually worth whatsoever.

Too many fights and too many fighters. I think the ESPN deal really fucked it all up. Now the ufc just puts on cards to fill their obligation. No depth, no names. I still watch most of the cards, but i will pass on some which is new to me.

Yeah, I'd say the ESPN deal was a point in the UFC's lifespan where things went to shit. It went from attempting to be a legitimate MMA sports organization to a straight up circus act literally only caring about ratings, draws, and who (or what) could make them the most money. Sad really, and I thought the Lesnar era was a fucking WWE wannabe joke I'd give my left nut to go back to that era comparatively.

I've only been watching since UFC 115 so I don't think I qualify as an OG, but sometimes I do feel a little disinterested because of all the diva shit and political manipulation. I want the best fights and the ones who deserve it to make it. I like who I like and I don't need to be told by the media that any popular fighter is the best fighter or future goat or whatever bullshit.

Enough price hikes, rematches, diluting the roster, top heavy cards, inactivity, politics, fake rankings, money chasing, and fuckery.

Other than that I guess it's alright.

I agree, but it's definitely not "alright." Dana foolishly believes diva shit sells due to McGregor's antics, but not everyone is a McGregor. Negativity may or may not sell well, but I'd say at this point the UFC is actively contributing to the fall of society and only feeds the wealthy elite profits while taking from the fighters who are the moneymakers. From Joe Rogan's repetitive ass cliche' commentary, to the abysmal matchmaking that fails the job and only succeeds in making super obvious necessary matchups, Dana White privilege hand picked undeserved title shots clogging up multiple divisions, signing younger undeveloped inexperienced fighters thru his shit-tier Contender Series (which btw, is one of the worst things to happen to the UFC and fighters with actual success from that show are very few compared to all that have been signed) and paying them the least amount possible, watering down cards with unexciting unproven unknowns as filler especially during big title fight cards, waaaaaay too much blatant Right wing bias that Dana privately agrees completely and does nothing to keep neutral whatsoever, biased ass bullshit ranking system slobbering all over the "next big thing" or popular draws, prices rising every year for absolutely no viable reason, refusal to properly hold controversial top fighters accountable when they do terrible shit (i.e. Jon Jones) but quick to cut lesser known fighters for the same mistakes, and finally cutting quality and/or experienced fighters off of small losing streaks because they're finally making 6 figures in their contract after being a company man for the UFC for several years.

They buy out popular MMA organisations such as Pride, Strikeforce, and the WEC (which I fucking MISS), create a monopoly and except for the very best of their talent, completely waste their new acquisitions and basically just fumble the bag instead of keeping the ball rolling on those and have them be separate entities independent of the UFC (the WEC never had to get absorbed IMO, for example). If the UFC didn't have a complete and utter monopoly on the sport of MMA I swear before God I would never support them at all. Dana White is a pathological lying narcisscist sociopath capitalist thief who thinks he is a "tough guy" who's ultra sensitive about his money and plays obvious favorites, they booted Mike Goldberg but kept Joe Rogan's dusty ass (why? I dontt fucking know) and replaced Goldberg with biased, sucking off Dana White UFC stan former fighters, and the list goes on and on.

I'd say somewhere between the Fox partnership in there main attempt to go mainstream and the Endeavor/ESPN deal made the UFC go fully to shit and it cannot recover. They could maybe save their hide by replacing Dana, paying their fighters more, and picking up talent the right way thru free agency, but we all know none of the above will ever happen. I pretty much hope the company collapses, ill never pay for a PPV for the rest of my life, and only really watch cus they hold all the cards. The UFC (and especially Dana ) can eat my dick.
 
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The price hike soured me to supporting them, then the filler cards just took it out of me. Id rather not spend my Saturdays watching the UFC for the entire afternoon, especially when no names are fighting.
 
It's still great just a different model. Highs aren't as high generally but fights every week is pretty cool.
 
its definitely not the same as in its peak around mid to late 00s/early 10s.

now ufc is just too corporate and fighters are instagram/tweeter celebrities with fake beefs/personas
 
I don't watch soccer/football.

But yeah, I guess it's gone this way for all sports.

An NFL coach is suing three teams, AND the entire league as a whole (two different suits).
Inflation and and social media and sponsors and politics ruined shit for the bigger leagues. Even in basketball (I don't follow) but my bro does. And its always some shit with politics going on in the NBA. Now soccer teams sign a young player who barely did any work. On an all star massive contract for 6 years. The kid loses all incentive. Sits on the bench for 4 years straight and basically just becomes a IG influencer for brands lol
 
I've been a fan over 20 years and my interest ebbs and flows and at the moment it's somewhat low as alot of the fighters I enjoyed watching have retired or aged and I'm not on a position to watch fights live in the comfort of my home.
 
I’ve definitely dropped off, mainly due to covid. Pre covid was generally getting most PPV and following what was going on. Would have friends over for a bbq/drinks pretty frequently. Then with covid restrictions that dropped off, struggled to get as invested in sports without a crowd and MMA the novelty of crowdless events wore off.

During covid I mainly kept up with certain favourite fighters but didn’t follow the sport as a whole. Then in that two years there’s all of a sudden new fighters I have no idea about, some of my old faves starting to lose and had some mates pop some kids out so the social aspect hasn’t came back as much.

Being said 2018-2019 was definitely a little less interested than I was prior. Just the transition of eras of fighters. Seemed to be a lot of Style over substance fighters coming in. Nothing wrong with flash if it was backed by good fundamentals eg Conor/Adesanya have a lot of flashy moves but win most their fights with a good understanding of the basics. Now there’s a lot of spinning stuff fighters that are just relying on flash to build up then hit a ceiling.
 
It's because the product hasn't really gotten better. Forced WMMA, watered down cards, moving free network cards to cable and then moving the former cable cards to an online paywall (ESPN+). Instead of having Pride as a competitor they have Bellator (whose detoriating) along with the money laundering scheme that's PFL. 205 and HW divisions which use to be premier divisions are pretty boring now a days.

I started following NFL the same time as UFC/MMA and the NFL has gotten 5x better in that same timespan (combine and draft have shifted to becoming premier events, recruiting/drafting is a borderline hobby now in itself, college and highschool talent and exposure is at an all time high, more games now on free TV, the rise of fantasy football).
 
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hell yess that's more like it
 
Uniforms ruined UFC to me. Seemed they wanted to go from individual stars to selling just on UFC name. I don’t know 85% of the roster.
 
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