Crime Antifa Megathread

[Bamboozled]

Facts don't care about your feelings, kiddo. It's a fact that right wing extremists killed dozens of people recently, while antifa hasn't killed anyone.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...f373b3977ee_story.html?utm_term=.7b606b0b3e70

https://qz.com/1435885/data-shows-more-us-terror-attacks-by-right-wing-and-religious-extremists/

But yeah, it's all FAYK NEWZ or some Soros-reptilian conspiracy.

>Wapo
lmao

qz, also same bias

you're a fucking winner

Edit: if you included all the Antifa attacks, or the left wing dude who shot up a fucking baseball game I think you'd see the real statistics. But don't let the facts get in the way of your politically biased story!

Edit 2: And yes, I will use a broad brush to pain this picture because the left seemingly has no qualms doing it themselves.

 

[Blood and Thunder]

Do you think he's the only journalist covering these events?

Yes one with balls to show the hideous nature of the left.

 

[Leagon]

Yes one with balls to show the hideous nature of the left.

Then you're ignorant. There are plenty of journalists at every single Antifa rally. Even in the attack on Andy, you can see plenty of other non-Antifa people taking video and snapping pictures.

 

[PubliusVentidius]

>Wapo
lmao

qz, also same bias

you're a fucking winner

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...rists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

Again, I guess you'd only accept a source that's from Infowars or Breitbart, but it's a statistical fact that right wing terrorism is way more deadly than left wing terrorism in the US.

 

[Blood and Thunder]

Then you're ignorant. There are plenty of journalists at every single Antifa rally. Even in the attack on Andy, you can see plenty of other non-Antifa people taking video and snapping pictures.

What lies did Andy spread about leftism?

 

[Leagon]

What lies did Andy spread about leftism?

Who said he spread lies about leftism?

 

[Bamboozled]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...rists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/

Again, I guess you'd only accept a source that's from Infowars or Breitbart, but it's a statistical fact that right wing terrorism is way more deadly than left wing terrorism in the US.

It still sourced the ADL report you dense mother fucker.

I'd love to agree with you but I don't follow infowars or Breitbart. My primary source of news I get from reuters and associated press, both of which have a slight left leaning in their reporting. But it's more-so due to the nature of the people who get in the field than outright political skew. Being a conservative journalist in 2019 isn't going to get the story out how these organizations want it. With all the proper information adequately sourced.

 

[Blood and Thunder]

Who said he spread lies about leftism?

People are saying he deserved to get attacked because he reported on ANTIFA and rejected leftism.

So I'm assuming he must be lying or something because I can't see people would think he deserved to be attacked. Unless they're leftists of course then it all makes sense.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Nah.

Andy didn't just walk among the protestors. Andy used to write articles about leftist activity on college campuses. He then started to take video of these things from a safe distance and got a decent amount of publicity.

Then Andy created a Patreon and started getting up close to these events--the most explosive form of these events, not on colleges but in the community and involving known violent groups--for, as far as anyone can tell, no reason. The police always establish safety lines for these things that people are not supposed to cross because violence breaks out. Andy regularly crosses these lines. At first, Antifa would just shout at him. Then, as he became more familiar to them, they began to bully him, pushing him, spraying him with silly string, pepper spraying him, etc. As these events escalated, Andy continued to promote his Patreon.

He also started branching away from leftist politics in his region and began writing all kinds of articles that echoed right wing talking points, attacking Islam, covering illegal immigration, all the hot button issues, but no longer with the observe and report role he normally had. Instead, he was editorializing, all the while promoting his Patreon. It was at this point that he was no longer a journalist to me. He had stopped reporting the news and was now trying to create the news. His followers waited to see what violent thing Antifa would do to him next or what provocative take he would put out to inflame social media. All the while, he insisted he was a journalist, which granted him access to events and earned him leniency--he wasn't explicitly against Antifa like the Proud Boys or other groups, he was a "journalist" who just happened to be very inconvenient for their side, but he should be left alone. If you watch the video, some Antifa members actually try to escort him to safety while he is under attack. Many don't participate in the attack.

This doesn't absolve Antifa; they're scum. But there's a reason he doesn't get mobbed by everyone. Andy has been deliberate about finding and provoking Antifa's most violent members. He is not the only journalist covering these thigs, he's just the only one who inserts himself into the conflict. Antifa has threatened him over and over and he has only moved more and more into their midst during these events and increased his inflammatory editorials and increased the promotion of his Patreon. Dude is a classic victimhood hustler and has used the shroud of journalism to protect him. The Proud Boys go in and throw down. If they get hit, they deal with the consequences. Andy says "don't hurt me" while standing inches from someone who has been telling him for months to fuck off.

I wish his brain wasn't bleeding (though I haven't seen any official sources say that, I'll take internet rumor's word for it), but I do think he deserved what he got.

If you've seen the video of what Antifa did to those two old men, I think you'll see that Andy was treated with restraint (as crazy as that sounds) despite his provocation. For the record, the two old men who had their heads split open said that they weren't afraid. Neither of them turned to Twitter and cried because neither of them are provocateurs--they're two genuinely innocent dudes who got mobbed by thugs.

So, no, I don't think his brain should bleed for walking among protestors. I think he should get slapped for being a coward and a fake journalist and deliberately trying to get himself beat up for over a year.

Better context, but no one should be physically ausaulted for writing negative articles, JMHO.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Silly string = bad

Killing = good

Lol, dude was taken to the hospital and allegedly had a brain bleed - so much for silly string.

And that "conservative" side of you should appreciate the personal responsibility asspect of the fact that I'm going to shoot someone before I let a dozen people jump me.

Btw, its called self defense not killing. But if he dies he dies at that point.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Nah.

Andy didn't just walk among the protestors. Andy used to write articles about leftist activity on college campuses. He then started to take video of these things from a safe distance and got a decent amount of publicity.

Then Andy created a Patreon and started getting up close to these events--the most explosive form of these events, not on colleges but in the community and involving known violent groups--for, as far as anyone can tell, no reason. The police always establish safety lines for these things that people are not supposed to cross because violence breaks out. Andy regularly crosses these lines. At first, Antifa would just shout at him. Then, as he became more familiar to them, they began to bully him, pushing him, spraying him with silly string, pepper spraying him, etc. As these events escalated, Andy continued to promote his Patreon.

He also started branching away from leftist politics in his region and began writing all kinds of articles that echoed right wing talking points, attacking Islam, covering illegal immigration, all the hot button issues, but no longer with the observe and report role he normally had. Instead, he was editorializing, all the while promoting his Patreon. It was at this point that he was no longer a journalist to me. He had stopped reporting the news and was now trying to create the news. His followers waited to see what violent thing Antifa would do to him next or what provocative take he would put out to inflame social media. All the while, he insisted he was a journalist, which granted him access to events and earned him leniency--he wasn't explicitly against Antifa like the Proud Boys or other groups, he was a "journalist" who just happened to be very inconvenient for their side, but he should be left alone. If you watch the video, some Antifa members actually try to escort him to safety while he is under attack. Many don't participate in the attack.

This doesn't absolve Antifa; they're scum. But there's a reason he doesn't get mobbed by everyone. Andy has been deliberate about finding and provoking Antifa's most violent members. He is not the only journalist covering these thigs, he's just the only one who inserts himself into the conflict. Antifa has threatened him over and over and he has only moved more and more into their midst during these events and increased his inflammatory editorials and increased the promotion of his Patreon. Dude is a classic victimhood hustler and has used the shroud of journalism to protect him. The Proud Boys go in and throw down. If they get hit, they deal with the consequences. Andy says "don't hurt me" while standing inches from someone who has been telling him for months to fuck off.

I wish his brain wasn't bleeding (though I haven't seen any official sources say that, I'll take internet rumor's word for it), but I do think he deserved what he got.

If you've seen the video of what Antifa did to those two old men, I think you'll see that Andy was treated with restraint (as crazy as that sounds) despite his provocation. For the record, the two old men who had their heads split open said that they weren't afraid. Neither of them turned to Twitter and cried because neither of them are provocateurs--they're two genuinely innocent dudes who got mobbed by thugs.

So, no, I don't think his brain should bleed for walking among protestors. I think he should get slapped for being a coward and a fake journalist and deliberately trying to get himself beat up for over a year.

An unfortunate effect of the polarization of our political discourse is that often anyone trying to enter the space ends up having their brand sorted either to the right or the left, often by their audience. At some point they start to notice that pandering to this or that side ends up generating more revenue. The more they pander, the more the critical members of their audience leaves them leaving a less diverse and more easily pandered to audience and this feedback loop just makes these personalities more and more polarized themselves.

Also happened to Peterson. At first I think he wasn't trying to pander to the right and was just taking a stand on something that he truly felt was important. But the fact that he was ostensibly resisting what seemed to be left wing policy meant he got sorted to the right by the media and his audience.

 

[Leagon]

People are saying he deserved to get attacked because he reported on ANTIFA and rejected leftism.

So I'm assuming he must be lying or something because I can't see people would think he deserved to be attacked. Unless they're leftists of course then it all makes sense.

Who are these people saying this? I'm not saying this and I'm not a respresentative of anyone saying this. You said there weren't other journalists with the balls to reveal the insanity of the left. Are we not discussing that anymore? Have we changed topic?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Better context, but no one should be physically ausaulted for writing negative articles, JMHO.

He didn't get assaulted just for writing the articles, he's deliberately putting himself in a situation that increases his likelihood of getting assaulted by Antifa to get views and Patreon bucks. Its like when Coyote Peterson subjects himself to the most painful insect stings and bites for views.

Imagine if Carlos Maza, the gay Hispanic Vox journalist who tattled on Crowder, made video after video criticizing The Proud Boys. Then he went to a Proud Boy rally not merely to cover the event but to ask loaded questions of the Proud Boys, knowing full well they know who he is and how he covers them. If he got assaulted the Proud Boys would still be wrong just as Antifa is in the wrong here and needs to be harshly dealt with. But at the same time there's an element of him asking for it.

 

[Leagon]

Better context, but no one should be physically ausaulted for writing negative articles, JMHO.

I felt like my context preempted this.

He is not the only journalist writing articles about how bad Antifa is. Or writing anti-Islam stuff. Or anti-BLM stuff. I'm sure you were aware of how bad Antifa was without being aware of Andy Ngo. Which means there are other people covering them that somehow have managed to keep themselves out of the story. Andy wasn't assaulted primarily for his political views.

He was assaulted because he has been deliberately and strategically putting himself in harms way for over a year. The first time he was pushed, I said what you said. "This is bullshit. No one should be assaulted just for their political coverage." This must've been almost two years ago. Since then, he has gotten more aggressive, putting out more inflammatory material, embedding himself further into Antifa rallies. The second time he got pushed, I felt the same. Then he got silly stringed. Then he got pepper sprayed. Each time, he'd post video of it and call for donations to his Patreon then become even more aggressive and provocative. His whole business model has been building up to this exact moment.

What you mean to say is, "No one should be assaulted while launching a sustained campaign to knowingly and deliberately harass violent extremists groups with the intent to monetize their harassment." If that's your position, then we'll agree to disagree, but I want it to be clear what we're discussing.

 

[Gunny]

Antifa is a bunch of pussies. Fight back and they run for the hills.

Sort of. The threat they pose can be understood in simple math: the typical Antifa twat is about 120 lbs and 90% pussy. Put 15 of them together in a riot situation and you’ve got the equivalent of one 180 dude who is not a pussy. As long as the odds are better than 1 to 15 we’re all good. Once they start rioting in bigger mobs it’s best withdraw until enough of them retreat for their latte or to charge their iPhone

 

[Leagon]

An unfortunate effect of the polarization of our political discourse is that often anyone trying to enter the space ends up having their brand sorted either to the right or the left, often by their audience. At some point they start to notice that pandering to this or that side ends up generating more revenue. The more they pander, the more the critical members of their audience leaves them leaving a less diverse and more easily pandered to audience and this feedback loop just makes these personalities more and more polarized themselves.

Also happened to Peterson. At first I think he wasn't trying to pander to the right and was just taking a stand on something that he truly felt was important. But the fact that he was ostensibly resisting what seemed to be left wing policy meant he got sorted to the right by the media and his audience.

It has really saddened me to see Peterson lean Right. I'd hoped he and the other IDW members would really forge a new and robust political middle, but you're spot on that there's this sort of media-driven self fulfilling prophecy at work.

 

[PubliusVentidius]

It still sourced the ADL report you dense mother fucker.

I'd love to agree with you but I don't follow infowars or Breitbart. My primary source of news I get from reuters and associated press, both of which have a slight left leaning in their reporting. But it's more-so due to the nature of the people who get in the field than outright political skew. Being a conservative journalist in 2019 isn't going to get the story out how these organizations want it. With all the proper information adequately sourced.

I guess the fbi and department of justice also have a LeFtist BiAs: https://www.vox.com/2019/4/4/18295358/fbi-white-nationalism-christchurch-usa-violence

What's your problem with the ADL list btw? Even if a few instances reported are spurious at best you'd have still outdoned Antifa by a shitload, hell even if all of them except one were false flags orchestrated by the Illuminati you'd still have outdoned Antifa.

• Tallahassee, Florida, November 2, 2018. Scott Paul Beierle opened fire at a yoga studio, killing two people and wounding four others by gun-fire and a fifth by pistol-whipping before killing himself. Beierle had posted videos to social media containing racist and misogynistic commentary, expressing hostility towards women who engaged in interracial relationships and referring admiringly to misogynistic killer Elliott Rodger.13 • Pittsburgh,

• Pennsylvania, October 27, 2018. White supremacist Robert Bowers murdered 11 people and injured seven more, including four police officers, during services at the Tree of Life Synagogue. Bowers was a virulent anti-Semite who, among other things, blamed Jews for orchestrating the immigration of non-whites into the United States.14

• Renton, Washington, September 19, 2018. White supremacist Jeremy Shaw, who owned a small roofing business called Aryan Enterprises, was arrested along with his wife, Lorena, in connection with an alleged plot to murder Steven Morphis and steal his property through an adverse possession scheme. Morphis was beaten with a blunt instrument and his throat was slashed. Detectives who searched Jeremey Shaw’s home found a number of Naziand white supremacist-themed items. He was charged with homicide, burglary and arson; Lorena was charged with burglary, arson and rendering criminal assistance.15

• Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, August 19, 2018. White supremacist Joden Rocco was charged with homicide after stabbing an African-American man to death outside a bar after he and a friend were denied entry. Rocco allegedly made an Instagram video earlier that day discussing how he and his friends were going to go to bars to see how many times they could repeat the “n-word” before being kicked out.16

• Sumter, South Carolina, August 11, 2018. Demetrius Alexander Brown, a self-proclaimed Moorish sovereign citizen, was arrested for the fatal shooting of Sharmine Pack following a dispute about a vehicle sale at an auto repair shop. 17 •

Robstown, Texas, July 27, 2018. Richard Starry shot and killed four relatives at a local nursing center and at his home in an apparent act of domestic violence before killing himself. According to local media, Starry had been a member of a white supremacist group while in prison.18

• Shawnee, Kansas, July 6, 2018. Ronald Lee Kidwell, a tattooed white supremacist who liked to take photographs of himself wrapped in the Confederate flag, was arrested for the murder of an African-American woman, MeShon Cooper, who was stabbed to death. One neighbor claimed to reporters that Kidwell, who had a prior history of assaults, targeted victims based on race, pretending to be friendly, then attacking them. Kidwell himself allegedly told police that he killed Cooper because she had ostensibly threatened to tell others he was HIV-positive.19

• Camden, Michigan, June 30, 2018. Anti-government extremist Joshua Daniel Miller was arrested for the shooting death of Eddie Coleman Heathcoe. Miller allegedly got into an argument with his ex-wife at the home she shared with Heathcoe. Miller was involved with militia and Three Percenter groups.20

• Dothan, Alabama, June 4, 2018. James Mathis, a member of the Georgia-based white supremacist prison gang Ghostface Gangsters, and his wife, Amanda Oakes, allegedly killed their six-month-old son and put his body in a freezer in a hotel room. The couple fled to Florida where they were arrested following a carjacking attempt.21

• Athens, Georgia, May 11, 2018. Following a family argument, Malachi Qaadir Dorns, 19, stabbed his mother and older brother multiple times, wounding his mother and killing his brother. In an earlier arrest, Dornss told police that he was a sovereign citizen.22

• Abingdon, Virginia, May 4, 2018. Roger Melvin Tackett was charged with first degree murder and other crimes after fatally shooting an acquaintance following a dispute. According to police, Tackett has multiple white supremacist tattoos.23

• Nashville, Tennessee, April 22, 2018. Travis Reinking opened fire inside a Waffle House, killing four people and wounding or injuring four more. Reports from co-workers and police officers who had previously known or encountered Reinking stated that he was a sovereign citizen. However, Reinking also has a serious history of mental illness and the shooting appears to have been non-ideological in nature; he has been ruled incompetent to stand trial.24

• Murfreesboro, Tennessee, March 17, 2018. White supremacist John Daniel Carothers was charged with first degree murder, eight counts of reckless endangerment and one count of aggravated arson after he allegedly deliberately set fire to his African-American roommate at a Veteran Affairs home. Carothers allegedly confessed to the crime in a letter to a white supremacist group.25

• Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, March 12, 2018. Corey Johnson, 17, killed a 13-year-old and severely injured two others in a stabbing spree during a sleepover. One victim was stabbed 32 times but survived. Johnson was charged as an adult with first-degree murder and attempted first-degree murder. He had a long history of violent tendencies and extremist beliefs, including an interest in white supremacy. However, in the year before the attack he had become interested in radical Islam (and had even been reported to the FBI by local law enforcement). After his arrest, Johnson reportedly told investigators he had stabbed his victims “because of his Muslim faith.”26

• Locust Grove, Georgia, February 19, 2018. Tierre Guthrie, a Moorish sovereign citizen, shot and killed a Locust Grove police officer when the officer and two Henry County sheriff’s deputies tried to take Guthrie into custody for a failure to appear warrant. Both deputies were wounded but survived. Guthrie, who was himself shot four times in the firefight, died at the scene.27

• Parkland, Florida, February 14, 2018. Nikolas Cruz launched a deadly shooting spree at his former high school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, killing 17 people and wounding 17 more. According to CNN, Cruz, 19, belonged to a racist Instagram group and hated blacks and Jews, even claiming Jews wanted to destroy the world. Cruz also allegedly referred to women who engaged in interracial relationships as “traitors.” A South Florida Sun-Sentinel article reported that Cruz had racist and Nazi symbols on his backpack and that he had etched swastikas onto ammunition magazines left behind at the school after the shooting. However, little evidence has so far emerged to suggest that the MSDHS shooting spree itself was conducted as a white supremacist attack.28

• Orange County, California, January 2, 2018. White supremacist Samuel Woodward, a member of the neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen, was arrested for the stabbing death of Blaze Bernstein, a former high school acquaintance. Woodward allegedly stabbed Bernstein 20 times in the face and neck before burying him in a shallow grave. Woodward was charged with first-degree murder with a hate crime enhancement (Bernstein was Jewish and gay).29

 

[Bamboozled]

TL;DR because @PubliusVentidius is a disingenuous retard

Already stated why dipshit, at least you admit to being a disingenuous retard

 

[Gluteus Swag]

Facts don't care about your feelings, kiddo. It's a fact that right wing extremists killed dozens of people recently, while antifa hasn't killed anyone.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...f373b3977ee_story.html?utm_term=.7b606b0b3e70

https://qz.com/1435885/data-shows-more-us-terror-attacks-by-right-wing-and-religious-extremists/

But yeah, it's all FAYK NEWZ or some Soros-reptilian conspiracy.

Considering people get beat in the head with metal rods or bike locks almost every time Antifa shows up, it's a miracle somebody hasn't been killed. The miracle being, of course, that Antifa is comprised of the wimpiest pussies the world has ever seen.

Another distinction is that Antifa has loving support pieces written for them by the mainstream media e.g. CNN's front page story "Antifa finding peace through violence" where CNN gave Antifa a thorough rimjob and painted them as heroes. Mainstream support for the far right almost doesn't exist. Particularly those who engage in violence.

 

[kazam]

Lefties tolerant hate