Crime Antifa Megathread

[MikeMcMann]

If it was a Parade in support of Sharia Law. You bet your ass she shouldnt go down there in a short skirt like that.
I dont do the bullshit where you try to antagonize someone and then go "he hit me first".

If theres a skinhead bar and a Jew and I walk in with Black Lives Matter t shirts and Obama hats.....
It is our fault for getting our ass kicked because we knew the dangers involved and accepted them.
Same goes for the idiot in the middle trying to film them.
Same goes for those old wrestling reporters who used to ask wrestlers "Is it real" and then some wrestler starts smacking the shit of him.
Accountability.

A lot of people assume that 'because those people should not do that, and it is wrong and illegal' therefore any victim of those people is absolved of their own personal responsibility.

I agree with you that people who knowingly walk into situations in ways they know will antagonize a response are not absolved of blame or responsibility. This, even if we agree the people who will be antagonized are pieces of shit, should not do what they do, and are wrong. Everything I say in that last sentence can be true but it can also be ture at the same time to put blame on the one who is doing the knowing antagonizing.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

They attack people ask the time, it's even part of their membership to get into a fight.

Show me them attacking innocent people or journalists. They attack antifa when antifa attacks them or other innocent people. Antifa are always the ones who initiate violence and they're always the ones that attack journalists and innocent people at these events. They've even attacked Bernie supporters and other people on the left. They attacked a fellow leftist because he was waving an American flag to show that there were patriots on the left too. They've committed hate crimes against Hispanic military members and Jews. Meanwhile, the supposedly white supremacist Proud Boys have plenty of black and Latino members, including in leadership positions.

 

[MikeMcMann]

She shouldn't have gone out in a short skirt like that.

That is not as black and white as many try to make it.

First off, let's be clear, that no innocent person deserves to have any crime beset on them for the way the way they look, dress or act.

That said there is a danger in trying to promote any version 'she shouldn't have gone out in a skirt like that' type meme as if bringing up personal responsibility is somehow blaming the victim.

When people are advised to be 'smart tourists', particular in off the beaten path more dangerous travel areas that is not 'blaming the victim'. we should not avoid saying that because it shifts the burden of responsibility to the potential victim instead of blaming the aggressor.

As an exdplsove person I sure as sh*t will not be going into a known white supremacist bar and sitting at the bar and getting drunk and becoming unaware of my circumstances.

Both the tourist and myself would be victims if violence and crime was visited upon us for those actions but that does not absolve us of our wrong doing and fault in that situation.

The one perpetrating the crime is wrong, but also the person putting themselves in those positions knowingly is also wrong even if the degree is not comparable.

 

[Wet Blanket]

No they don't. They get in fights with antifa at rallies and demonstrations. It's usually aka always antifa starting fights by attacking innocent and or weak people.

Bullllllll shiiiiiiiit.

 

[ElKarlo]

Bullllllll shiiiiiiiit.

No. There simply aren't any cases where the proud boys attacked people without cause. Unlike antifa, they aren't out of control LARPing losers. But continue to cheer for the suppression if free speech via intimidation

 

[Arkain2K]

Andy Ngo Is Jussie Smollett, But Honest
By Jim Treacher July 2, 2019

When Jussie Smollett claimed he was attacked last January, his accusation was treated as fact by most of our moral, ethical, and intellectual betters in the press. Smollett said it happened, so it happened. That's how it was reported by a lot of "journalists" who should've known better.

New York Times:

CNN:

Variety:

Note the wording. According to these gatekeepers of the truth, Smollett didn't "claim" or "allege" that he was attacked. According to them, he was attacked. He said it, so it must've been true. After all, he's an LGBT POC. He's a designated victim. Why would he lie?

The question wasn't if it happened, but why it happened. It was a hate crime, possibly. And man oh man, the media couldn't wait to find out. They were so eager to rub your faces in it, you deporables.

Within hours of the initial reports, presidential candidates were lining up to condemn the now-debunked attack:







They believed it because they wanted to believe it. The story reaffirmed their biases, so they assumed it must be true. Of course Trump supporters are all racist homophobes. Of course it feels good to remind yourself that you're better than the people you despise.

But what if you turn out to be completely wrong? No worries. The story might not be factually true, but it's still emotionally true. In a culture where victimhood is currency, fool's gold is better than none.

And anybody who questioned any of the details of Smollett's outlandish story were excoriated as racists, homophobes, or worse. "You don't believe a couple of guys in MAGA hats were walking around downtown Chicago at 2 A.M. in subzero temperatures with bleach and a rope, looking for the co-star of a FOX soap opera? Why do you love Trump so much?"

Some people even blamed... Mike Pence. Wait, what?

Contrast that with the beating of another gay person of color, Andy Ngo, by Antifa thugs in Portland this weekend. We've seen video of the attack from at least two angles so far:





It happened. You just saw it happen.

And yet this is how it's being framed:

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1146033077308678150

He says he was assaulted.

At least they didn't go as far as HuffPo and actually blame Ngo for it:

As for most of the media, they figure if they just ignore the story, it'll go away. And the only two Democratic presidential candidates who've said anything about it are Andrew Yang and Eric Swalwell. Kudos to them, but shame on the rest. If they held Trump responsible for the Smollett non-beating, then they're responsible for this actual beating.

Andy Ngo is everything the left wanted Jussie Smollett to be. The difference is that this time, it really happened. And yet they won't rally around him, because he's not on their team. They're bad people. That's all there is to it.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/andy-ngo-is-jussie-smollett-but-honest/

 

[Chappi]

Brutally beats a journalist ??
I'm not condoning what happened there and I think the rest of that crowed should be ashamed for the rest of their lifes for letting it happen, I know I would be beating on some skulls there.
But I would not call that either beating or brutal, only a scared little pussy who has never been in or even seen a beating would call that a brutal beating.

 

[Happy Man]

Brutally beats a journalist ??
I'm not condoning what happened there and I think the rest of that crowed should be ashamed for the rest of their lifes for letting it happen, I know I would be beating on some skulls there.
But I would not call that either beating or brutal, only a scared little pussy who has never been in or even seen a beating would call that a brutal beating.

Doctors at hospital said he has brain bleeding. That’s serious.

 

[Prutfis]

I´m sure there were fine people on both sides

 

[Hollywood Jack]

That is not as black and white as many try to make it.

First off, let's be clear, that no innocent person deserves to have any crime beset on them for the way the way they look, dress or act.

That said there is a danger in trying to promote any version 'she shouldn't have gone out in a skirt like that' type meme as if bringing up personal responsibility is somehow blaming the victim.

When people are advised to be 'smart tourists', particular in off the beaten path more dangerous travel areas that is not 'blaming the victim'. we should not avoid saying that because it shifts the burden of responsibility to the potential victim instead of blaming the aggressor.

As an exdplsove person I sure as sh*t will not be going into a known white supremacist bar and sitting at the bar and getting drunk and becoming unaware of my circumstances.

Both the tourist and myself would be victims if violence and crime was visited upon us for those actions but that does not absolve us of our wrong doing and fault in that situation.

The one perpetrating the crime is wrong, but also the person putting themselves in those positions knowingly is also wrong even if the degree is not comparable.

There's an inherent risk in being a journalist or performing the functions of a journalist, but as a society, we recognize the utility of such endeavors and these come not only with constitutional protections but as a society we value such things and provide protections. I think 100% of the blame goes to the thugs who attack journalists. I also dispute the notion that Ngo was being provocative. He's a passive, soft spoken person.

 

[forum poster]

It was 2 groups of youths showing up looking for violence. Of course it erupted.
Back in my day we done this kind of stuff as well. It's all good fun.
But these days you get to film it all, propagandize it and make a shit load of money off it all.

 

[MikeMcMann]

There's an inherent risk in being a journalist or performing the functions of a journalist, but as a society, we recognize the utility of such endeavors and these come not only with constitutional protections but as a society we value such things and provide protections. I think 100% of the blame goes to the thugs who attack journalists. I also dispute the notion that Ngo was being provocative. He's a passive, soft spoken person.

Ya I am not arguing any of that. I have not paid enough attention to this specific case to have an opinion of whether this guy was trying to antagonize or not by ensuring he would be easily visibly identified as a Trump supporter. That would be dumb, reporter or not. Just as it would be dumb for a reporter to wear an Obama hat or otherwise flash that affiliation into the midst of a White Nationalist rally.

You have to be a smart tourist and a smart reporter even if you should not be assaulted if you are not.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Ya I am not arguing any of that. I have not paid enough attention to this specific case to have an opinion of whether this guy was trying to antagonize or not by ensuring he would be easily visibly identified as a Trump supporter. That would be dumb, reporter or not. Just as it would be dumb for a reporter to wear an Obama hat or otherwise flash that affiliation into the midst of a White Nationalist rally.

You have to be a smart tourist and a smart reporter even if you should not be assaulted if you are not.

Hi. Just to fill you in, he's never identified himself as a Trump supporter. He's never worn a MAGA hat. He's never even identified himself as a conservative. Nor does he work for a conservative publication. The publication he works for, Quillette has been misidentified as a conservative publication, but it is not. Left-wing activists erroneously claim that he works for Breitbart or even the Daily Stormer. This is completely false. It's claimed that Ngo antagonizes them. As a matter of fact, viewing the raw video shows that it is the other way around, with the white, left-wing supposed "anti-racists" yelling racially charged things at Ngo like “Do some motherfucking Wing Chun shit!" Ngo is the son of Vietnamese refugees and Wing Chun is a Chinese martial art. These are horrible, hypocritical people who act like fucking fascists while claiming to be anti-fascists and they harass and attack actual anti-fascists.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/20...otesters-harass-gay-asian-american-journalist

 

[MikeMcMann]

Hi. Just to fill you in, he's never identified himself as a Trump supporter. He's never worn a MAGA hat. He's never even identified himself as a conservative. Nor does he work for a conservative publication. The publication he works for, Quillette has been misidentified as a conservative publication, but it is not. Left-wing activists erroneously claim that he works for Breitbart or even the Daily Stormer. This is completely false. It's claimed that Ngo antagonizes them. As a matter of fact, viewing the raw video shows that it is the other way around, with the white, left-wing supposed "anti-racists" yelling racially charged things at Ngo like “Do some motherfucking Wing Chun shit!" Ngo is the son of Vietnamese refugees and Wing Chun is a Chinese martial art. These are horrible, hypocritical people who act like fucking fascists while claiming to be anti-fascists and they harass and attack actual anti-fascists.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/20...otesters-harass-gay-asian-american-journalist

oh I am not denying the mob mentally contained within Antifa and the right wing groups. I have no issue with acknowledging that. I also have no clue how they identified him or if they were just attacking journalists in general regardless of stripe.

 

[nac386]

No. There simply aren't any cases where the proud boys attacked people without cause. Unlike antifa, they aren't out of control LARPing losers. But continue to cheer for the suppression if free speech via intimidation

Proud Boys aren’t larping losers?

 

[Hollywood Jack]

oh I am not denying the mob mentally contained within Antifa and the right wing groups. I have no issue with acknowledging that. I also have no clue how they identified him or if they were just attacking journalists in general regardless of stripe.

They go out of their way to identify and doxx people. It's part of their tactics. The right wing, even the far-right extremists, are willing to have reasonable discussions with journalists, even ones that aren't white. Nonwhite journalists like Ngo or Tim Pool or whatever can cover the right wing and they'll be treated like human beings. Meanwhile the left-wing extremists call them fascists and harass and attack them. I'm left wing myself, but I can recognize the reality on the ground and I'm morally and intellectually honest about it. I would like to see the libertarian left call out and defeat the authoritarian left. I'm a racial minority, a social democrat and left-libertarian, and these white antifa assholes would be calling me a fascist and Nazi and "coon" and all this bullshit. It's ridiculous.

 

[Fawlty]

Doctors at hospital said he has brain bleeding. That’s serious.

What is the source for the brain bleeding?

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Proud Boys aren’t larping losers?

They're assholes. I'm assuming that shirt ends with the word wrong "Pinochet did nothing wrong". Yeah, that's total bullshit. He was a fascist dictator. But Proud Boys still aren't attacking innocent people and journalists like antifa and are a lot more reasonable and civilized and less cowardly than them. As someone on the left, this is not a good thing, because when you make people side with one extreme or the other, they tend to side with the right wing. That's what happened in Weimar Germany which turned into Nazi Germany.

 

[nac386]

They're assholes. I'm assuming that shirt ends with the word wrong "Pinochet did nothing wrong". Yeah, that's total bullshit. He was a fascist dictator. But Proud Boys still aren't attacking innocent people and journalists like antifa and are a lot more reasonable and civilized and less cowardly than them. As someone on the left, this is not a good thing, because when you make people side with one extreme or the other, they tend to side with the right wing. That's what happened in Weimar Germany which turned into Nazi Germany.

I’ve already made it clear in this thread and about 50 other threads exactly how I feel about Antifa.

Now moving on to my actual comment, those guys in those pictures aren’t Larping losers?

We must have different definitions of larping losers. In my opinion, when you show up to a political rally wearing a uniform and helmet and act out some fight fantasy, you’ve become a larping loser.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

They go out of their way to identify and doxx people. It's part of their tactics. The right wing, even the far-right extremists, are willing to have reasonable discussions with journalists, even ones that aren't white. Nonwhite journalists like Ngo or Tim Pool or whatever can cover the right wing and they'll be treated like human beings. Meanwhile the left-wing extremists call them fascists and harass and attack them. I'm left wing myself, but I can recognize the reality on the ground and I'm morally and intellectually honest about it. I would like to see the libertarian left call out and defeat the authoritarian left. I'm a racial minority, a social democrat and left-libertarian, and these white antifa assholes would be calling me a fascist and Nazi and "coon" and all this bullshit. It's ridiculous.

wow, how Have I overlooked you as a quality poster.

It's refreshing to see left leaning posters actually be consistent.

good work.