Elections Anti-war Bernie vs. warhawk Trump

[VivaRevolution]

It seems kind of childish to insist that the reality is different than it is because it's not fair or consistent. That's wish-thinking and I'm not interested in it. Trump may have committed an act of war, but he didn't "go to war" with Iran. People will see that as a bottom-line result. If attitudes begin turning away from that sort of expected same-old stuff, we'll notice.

They won't care if it is a war, or a act of war, if what they want is for us to get the fuck out of the ME, and they do.

Nevermind that Trump is now refusing to pull our troops out of Iraq, after a sovereign nation has demanded we leave.

 

[ShadowRun]

Most D’s avoid these dimwits but he’s bringing them in closer. I’m sure to help with that dem vote but damn, it would be like Trump having George Bush and Palin in 2016. It’s far out there but wow.

AOC, Tlaib ...

 

[ShadowRun]

They won't care if it is a war, or a act of war, if what they want is for us to get the fuck out of the ME, and they do.

Nevermind that Trump is now refusing to pull our troops out of Iraq, after a sovereign nation has demanded we leave.

All in context and a process of it goes through the process then we should leave.



“
Iraq’s caretaker prime minister Adel Abdul Mahdi recommended that a timeline be developed to remove foreign troops “for the sake of our national sovereignty,” in an address to the legislature prior to Sunday’s vote.

The resolution does not have the force of law — actually kicking U.S. troops out would require another piece of binding legislation and one-year notice to Washington — but it lays bare the deep strains on the relationship and the fragile position of the American military in Iraq. ”

 

[sickc0d3r]

My sense is that nobody is changing their mind about Trump unless we actually go to war (or we have enough conflict with Iran to seem like it) and I hope that doesn’t happen. Trump also deleted the rule about transparency and drone strikes, so we’re blind to a lot of what is going.


But, I think you’re right in the sense that Bernie’s anti-war platform is strong and can motivate dems, especially young people. If young people show up Trump will lose.

 

[VivaRevolution]

All in context and a process of it goes through the process then we should leave.



“
Iraq’s caretaker prime minister Adel Abdul Mahdi recommended that a timeline be developed to remove foreign troops “for the sake of our national sovereignty,” in an address to the legislature prior to Sunday’s vote.

The resolution does not have the force of law — actually kicking U.S. troops out would require another piece of binding legislation and one-year notice to Washington — but it lays bare the deep strains on the relationship and the fragile position of the American military in Iraq. ”

He is going to have to. If we go into the 2020 election with troops still in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, he will lose.

Just to show you I'm not shilling, if he has actually brought those troops home he will be unbeatable.

I think you can see where I have put my money on this bet.

 

[aldeniro78]

Well he would have to win first, which isn't going to happen.

Ask me again if he wins.

Don't know why you think I would bet on something, I don't think will happen.

Who do you think is going to get more votes than Trump? He'll probably win this one by an even wider margin than he did against Hillary.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Who do you think is going to get more votes than Trump? He'll probably win this one by an even wider margin than he did against Hillary.

Hillary Clinton is the most disliked candidate in modern history, followed closely by Trump.

You guys live in Bahgdad Bob world.

Trump beat a can, and your ilk is declaring him GOAT. Turn off the propaganda man.

 

[aldeniro78]

Hillary Clinton is the most disliked candidate in modern history, followed closely by Trump.

You guys live in Bahgdad Bob world.

Trump beat a can, and your ilk is declaring him GOAT. Turn off the propaganda man.

I don't think he's a great president by any means, so don't generalize just because I think you're a simpleton. But the left is a shit show as far as candidates and no one takes Sanders seriously.

 

[Shinigami]

Trump campaign steps up attacks on Sanders



The Trump campaign is stepping up its attacks on Bernie Sanders, a reflection of the Independent Vermont senator's momentum in the race for the Democratic nomination and his sharp criticism of a U.S. military strike against an Iran official that has provoked turmoil in the Middle East.

At a campaign rally in Toledo, Ohio, on Thursday night, Trump singled out Sanders for criticizing the strike that resulted in the death of Gen. Qassem Soleimani. A separate Trump campaign statement warned that Sanders "can't be trusted to defend American lives" as commander in chief.

Both Trump and Sanders have campaigned on the promise to end U.S. involvement in military conflicts in the Middle East, but escalating tensions in Iran have complicated the president's message on that front.

At the moment, Trump and Sanders are going toe-to-toe over Iran, as the Vermont senator has sought to cast himself as the most stridently anti-war Democrat in the race and a leading critic of the administration's decision to take out the Iranian general.

The debate is particularly salient because both Trump and Sanders have fashioned themselves as skeptics of military interventionism. Trump has hammered the GOP establishment over the U.S.-led war in Iraq, and Sanders has pummeled Biden over his vote to authorize that military action.

Sanders and Khanna released new legislation this week to limit Trump's options on Iran while blasting the lawmakers who voted to authorize a $738 billion military budget that "places no restrictions on the president from starting an unauthorized war with Iran."

"We know that it will ultimately be the children of working-class families who will have to fight and die in a new Middle East conflict, not the children of the billionaire class," Sanders and Khanna said in a joint statement. "At a time when we face the urgent need to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, to build the housing we desperately need, and to address the existential crisis of climate change, we as a nation, must get our priorities right."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/477776-trump-campaign-steps-up-attacks-on-sanders?amp

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Watch me predict the future. I am amazing, just watch.

Trumpbots will come in here and want to discuss anything but Iran. They will try and attack Bernie in any other way, and change the subject, because they know this isn't even 2-D chess, nor checkers.

Donald Trump ceded the non-interventionist ground to Bernie, and it will cost him re-election in 2020.

I am honestly wondering if Trump is trying to lose.

We haven't forgotten the disaster of Iraq. We haven't forgotten that everyone keeps promising to bring our troops home, and does the opposite. There is a political cost to exposing yourself as a bold faced liar.

Maybe not a cost to Trump through his cult, but the Trump cult is only a part of the 47% of the voting public that elected Trump. If 2% of those voters abandon him, he has already lost.

Discuss......

Bernie is a democrat socialist. DS believe that all means of production and property should be owned by the government. Why are you so stupid to seem to support making the federal government all powerful????

Do you not understand this or do you understand but are a lemming and accept this???

It doesn't seem like you would support an all powerful government if I put it into those words...but you are supporting that by supporting ANY SOCIALIST candidate.
It is like you are a sucker that believes in the altruistic mommy government before they see the reality of it.
I suggest you check out George Orwell on the subject.

 

[AndroidRage]

Bernie is a democrat socialist. DS believe that all means of production and property should be owned by the government. Why are you so stupid to seem to support making the federal government all powerful????

Do you not understand this or do you understand but are a lemming and accept this???

It doesn't seem like you would support an all powerful government if I put it into those words...but you are supporting that by supporting ANY SOCIALIST candidate.
It is like you are a sucker that believes in the altruistic mommy government before they see the reality of it.
I suggest you check out George Orwell on the subject.

No dipshit. A Democratic Socialist does not believe the government should own the means to all production.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Most D’s avoid these dimwits but he’s bringing them in closer. I’m sure to help with that dem vote but damn, it would be like Trump having George Bush and Palin in 2016. It’s far out there but wow.

AOC, Tlaib ...

Do you oppose this green new deal specifically?

Or do you oppose the idea of putting Americans to work, while improving efficiency, and diversifying our energy use in general?

Like do you oppose replacing the Eisenhower electrical grid, that is 40% less efficient than the ones used in Europe today?

 

[rob mafia]

lolz @ "warhawk" trump

because we're totally at war with iran.

 

[Shinigami]

That is a bold faced lie, and you are a piece of shit propagandist, or fucking dumb as rocks for believing it.

Ha, you do good to leave those insults in non-face to face discussion.

I see you are naive.

socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

from democratic socialist website - "Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible."

This is the lie they sell you. WHAT HAPPENS EVERYTIME SOCIALISM IS ENACTED AT GOVERNMENT LEVEL???f

You think THE PEOPLE really run it??? You are confused of the dream of COMMUNISM which never happens and gets stuck in the strong central government stage of Marx's theory.

Who runs socialized medicine? The government, right???? Do you agree with this?

You are just one of those dreamers with no sense of how the economy or human nature works.

BACK TO THE DS WEBSITE: ""Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible.""

How do you think you can take away how companies are run now and even attempt to make them "run by the people"??? BY MASSIVE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT STRENGTH.

How does the New Green Deal happen???? VIA MASSIVE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL WITH THEIR GUN POINTED AT YOU.

My advice to you
1) train serious martial arts or carry a gun if you are going to mouth off to a person like that in real life (I have)
2) take some economics, history, and psychology classes (college level <-- I have)
3) stop being naive and believe everything someone...especially a politician...says to you <-- (I have)

 

[Zazen]

So basically what you are saying is that the policies that Bernie calls for aren't socialist, right?

People on the right want to have it both ways... They call him a Socialist but describe the successful countries that he uses as a framework for his own policies as "not socialist", completely missing its an admission they are smearing with a label and ignoring actual policy views. Why learn about the nuances of Democratic Socialism in Nordic countries when you can just mention Venezuela or Cuba and declare victory?

I'm saying that socialist countries suck, those countries that Sanders aspire to be are capitalist nations with a much larger safety net. Socialist countries are Venezuela. Republicans are correct when they say socialism sucks, however they don't acknowledge most people want a hybrid system.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Ha, you do good to leave those insults in non-face to face discussion.

I see you are naive.

socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

from democratic socialist website - "Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible."

This is the lie they sell you. WHAT HAPPENS EVERYTIME SOCIALISM IS ENACTED AT GOVERNMENT LEVEL???f

You think THE PEOPLE really run it??? You are confused of the dream of COMMUNISM which never happens and gets stuck in the strong central government stage of Marx's theory.

Who runs socialized medicine? The government, right???? Do you agree with this?

You are just one of those dreamers with no sense of how the economy or human nature works.

BACK TO THE DS WEBSITE: ""Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible.""

How do you think you can take away how companies are run now and even attempt to make them "run by the people"??? BY MASSIVE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT STRENGTH.

How does the New Green Deal happen???? VIA MASSIVE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL WITH THEIR GUN POINTED AT YOU.

My advice to you
1) train serious martial arts or carry a gun if you are going to mouth off to a person like that in real life (I have)
2) take some economics, history, and psychology classes (college level <-- I have)
3) stop being naive and believe everything someone...especially a politician...says to you <-- (I have)

Don't worry son. The US army taught me to shoot tough guy.

Want to meet in a parking lot somewhere?

 

[VivaRevolution]

I'm saying that socialist countries suck, those countries that Sanders aspire to be are capitalist nations with a much larger safety net. Socialist countries are Venezuela. Republicans are correct when they say socialism sucks, however they don't acknowledge most people want a hybrid system.

Right, and Bernie will straight tell you he is a new deal democrat in the model of FDR, that when he says socialist, he means socialist programs, which we already have many of. Some are the most popular government programs in this country, funny enough, created during the new deal.

 

[RoJo303]

@tonni

This meme implies maga dorks care about his policies and not the fact that he triggers the libs

Indeed, and tho I supported Trump over the Shilldabeasat, I am disappointed to see the MAGA crowd do the exact same thing as the other side did and care more about team politics and winning than actually doing what is right and Making America Great Again. This is exactly how the Hegelian Dialectic is allowed to not only continue but thrive. The same MAGA boomers that were ranting about the 'swamp' and stopping wars for Israeli interest are totally fine with it when Trump does it. Same exact thing happened with Obama too. Sad!

 

[b-hop]

Bernie wants to transform the US into a Venezuela, I would prefer a warmonger wich Trump is not anyway.

 

[franklinstower]

No dipshit. A Democratic Socialist does not believe the government should own the means to all production.

That post was so funny. Hes been listening to Alex Jones or Fox news man......

 

[hillelslovak87]

How scary! Well Time to abandon my belief system and support a candidate who stands for absolutely nothing I believe in.

LOL. Trump has no belief system whatsoever, and people routinely betray their ethics and morals in supporting him, like the evangelicals.