Anthony Smith is probably done in the top

[r-harper-1]

I forgot, I'm on Sherdog where everyone is perfect and no one has ever made a mistake and everyone knows exactly what you should do in every scenario.

Smith himself said he wished he had the gun and was absolutely terrified to the point where he wanted to barricade himself in the bedroom and shout for help.

If only he could live up to your standards. How many times has your home been invaded in the middle of the night, out of interest?

I have a baseball bat ready to go at all times

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Hey, it worked out great for Aljo so far, so honestly, one of the worst decisions in MMA on Smith's part. Also, I wholeheartedly believe he lost his mental game once he couldn't handle a meth'd out 170lber, that's the whole "uR cOmIn fOr my FAMILUH!" mumbling was about, he was put into a life or death situation and was found wanting, he tried to use the fear to psych himself up but he he just looked like shit tbh.

Good point. Had Aljo not gotten Yan DQ’d its unclear what would have been next. Yan went on to beat Corey and seems likely to have beaten an injured TJ if that’s the way things went down.

Aljo would have remained in the mix but it’s unclear how quickly he would have gotten another shot if he’d collapsed against Yan.

More importantly, Merab might have gotten to the title shot before Aljo got back.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

So he can get beat up for less money ….great strategy

He could prolly get sponsored by some home security system.

“I’m a professional cage fighter, and I protect my home with ____”

 

[chiefwiggum]

He is a journeyman that will lose to any top guy , he is not past his prime, he was just never good.

Agree to disagree
I think he's one of the best
<{cruzshake}>

Out of todays former fighters commentating including boxing but especially ufc cruz is my favorite by far. I wasn’t a fan of him during the bulk of his fighting career either.



Edit. Didn’t mean to quote the top fella

 

[DesiredUserName]

What and fight 205 Yoel ?yeah that won't end well

not my problem.

 

[DesiredUserName]

So he can get beat up for less money ….great strategy

Thanks. It was just something that I thought up spur of the moment.

 

[IIIIIIII]

His body cant take it anymore...
Too much milage on the body...
Dude is 34 but his body is probably over 40...

sad to say cause he's a great guy, but you're probably right. at least he has a great gig after the fight career.

 

[LindyBrah]

I think most would use a gun. Anthony said he had a gun but "didn't want to shoot him" and his wife brought him a knife but he "didn't want to stab him".

He preferred to wrestle. But if that guy choked him out or hit his head on something he'd be unconscious. And that guy would have access to his defenseless family. Most ppl would NOT be wrestling in that circumstance if they had a gun available. When a man breaks into your home that is NOT the time to figure out who can beat who. That's the time to get him out of your home and, ideally, into police custody immediately. A shot in the leg, and failing that, body, would have been the responsible thing to do.

I get that we don't want to shoot ppl. I don't. But a raging drug addict in my house when I have women depending on me will get the gun out immediately. Not what I want to do but what needs to be done. Especially if Anthony lives in a state where he'd be considered justified (I do not).

Shooting someone in the leg is stupid. You’re much more liable to miss or hit an artery. This isn’t a movie.

 

[pick999]

Jon really took his soul

 

[Masturbin]

smith was never good

 

[Gigacardio]

Still the nicest guy in MMA though so I'm a fan

 

[mudrubble]

Shooting someone in the leg is stupid. You’re much more liable to miss or hit an artery. This isn’t a movie.

Got you. In Ontario, shooting someone dead is an almost 100% chance of serving a full sentence for murder. I have to factor that in as well.

I'm very open to suggestions if you have any that have a good potential to keep me out of a murder or attempt murder sentence while increasing my safety. It's a problem I struggle with and I'm always looking for better solutions, beyond the obvious "move somewhere else where the laws respect self-defense"

 

[mudrubble]

I forgot, I'm on Sherdog where everyone is perfect and no one has ever made a mistake and everyone knows exactly what you should do in every scenario.

Smith himself said he wished he had the gun and was absolutely terrified to the point where he wanted to barricade himself in the bedroom and shout for help.

If only he could live up to your standards. How many times has your home been invaded in the middle of the night, out of interest?

This I can respect more. No, he can make mistakes like I can. And his mistake can be called stupid or bird brained, as can many of mine.

We're all human, we all make mistakes, and we all do stupid things. I can laugh at my mistakes and say they are stupid and it SOUNDS like you're saying Anthony agrees with me that his was a stupid mistake. I never said I don't make stupid mistakes or that we all don't. I said it was a really stupid move, and Anthony agrees, and it SOUNDS like you do as well.

As for lessons learned, good on Anthony. And this isn't about me - I have enough of my own, real life stupid mistakes to contend with without making up hypothetical ones. My house has, thankfully, never been broken into. In my part of the world, if it is broken into, I probably go to jail for life and that really does trouble me. It's almost to the point that I don't want to get a gun because, chances are, it's just robbers thinking they're in an empty house. But answering without a gun means if it's a dangerous situation, my family is at risk.

In my hierarchy of needs my family's safety comes before my freedom, but my freedom is nothing to take lightly. So I'm looking for a legally defensible solution for my jurisdiction. Anthony did not have this consideration so I'm *MOST ENVIOUS* of his options.

 

[LindyBrah]

Got you. In Ontario, shooting someone dead is an almost 100% chance of serving a full sentence for murder. I have to factor that in as well.

I'm very open to suggestions if you have any that have a good potential to keep me out of a murder or attempt murder sentence while increasing my safety. It's a problem I struggle with and I'm always looking for better solutions, beyond the obvious "move somewhere else where the laws respect self-defense"

Shoot them center mass in the torso. Even Ontario allows for lethal force in self defense.

 

[mudrubble]

Shoot them center mass in the torso. Even Ontario allows for lethal force in self defense.

If you kill a man in your home in Ontario simply because he broke in and "presented a threat" you can expect to serve a murder sentence. Everyone from my gun instructors to police, to guys at the gun club, all agree on this point.

It's not *impossible* you get off on self defense, sure. But it's also not something you should bank on. If the guy had a gun pointed at you, you'd most likely get off. But if, after all is said and done, the guy only had a knife that you thought was a gun, or any other of the million mitigating factors that play into real life situations come into play, there's a very good chance you are facing a murder charge.

The statement "Ontario allows for lethal force in self defense" is not strictly false but it's HORRIBLE legal advice, and asking for jail time. I don't want to be convicted of murder like others have.

https://www.kruselaw.ca/library/using-reasonable-force-to-defend-myself-or-my-property-kruse-law.cfm

"Canadians have a right to defend their property or themselves as long as their defensive actions are reasonable under the circumstances. This means that if you injure an intruder entering your home or property, you would need to show that the circumstances gave you no other reasonable choice. Essentially, you can use whatever force is needed to prevent someone from unlawfully entering your house or from hurting you, but not more. The use of lethal force would generally only be appropriate in a situation where you had cause to perceive a threat to your life or of severe bodily harm, and had no other reasonable options for defending yourself."

Is a man charging at me or my daughter a situation wherein I had "no other reasonable options for defending myself"? Not to most Ontarians (jury) and not to many judges. You'd better ascertain he has a deadly weapon before you just blindly shoot him for entering your house. If you have time for that. If he's charging you, sure, shoot him. Then go to jail while they sort it out. It's revealed he's just a crazy local with a history of drug abuse, who was unarmed. Now you killed an unarmed man in Ontario.

That's almost certainly manslaughter at best, murder at worst. Ontarians HATE handguns. Use a handgun in this fashion and good luck avoiding a murder charge or a sentence for manslaughter or murder.

It's easy to say stuff on the internet. But go ask an Ontario criminal defense lawyer, a cop, or anyone who's seriously into guns and you'll get very different opinions than what you just wrote. Best case scenario is "maybe you get off at trial, maybe you rot in jail - it depends on a lot". A stranger entering your house only allows you to use the minimum amount of force to keep him out. You can barricade doors and push him out if he gets in. You'd probably get off easy for assaulting him with hands and feet. A weapon? Now the courts decide if that weapon was necessary to get him out. A gun? More so. A gun discharged and killing the intruder? You've got legal problems now.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

His body cant take it anymore...
Too much milage on the body...
Dude is 34 but his body is probably over 40...

I'm a big Smith supporter, but it's hard to disagree. His leg kick defense seemingly just started going downhill very fast at one point of his career. That seems to be the crux of his one-sided losses. He'll still probably stick around for a bit, but it seems that every other fight we see him hobbling around or on his back unable to stand up and gassed out. He has had a hell of a career though.

 

[LindyBrah]

If you kill a man in your home in Ontario simply because he broke in and "presented a threat" you can expect to serve a murder sentence. Everyone from my gun instructors to police, to guys at the gun club, all agree on this point.

It's not *impossible* you get off on self defense, sure. But it's also not something you should bank on. If the guy had a gun pointed at you, you'd most likely get off. But if, after all is said and done, the guy only had a knife that you thought was a gun, or any other of the million mitigating factors that play into real life situations come into play, there's a very good chance you are facing a murder charge.

The statement "Ontario allows for lethal force in self defense" is not strictly false but it's HORRIBLE legal advice, and asking for jail time. I don't want to be convicted of murder like others have.

https://www.kruselaw.ca/library/using-reasonable-force-to-defend-myself-or-my-property-kruse-law.cfm

"Canadians have a right to defend their property or themselves as long as their defensive actions are reasonable under the circumstances. This means that if you injure an intruder entering your home or property, you would need to show that the circumstances gave you no other reasonable choice. Essentially, you can use whatever force is needed to prevent someone from unlawfully entering your house or from hurting you, but not more. The use of lethal force would generally only be appropriate in a situation where you had cause to perceive a threat to your life or of severe bodily harm, and had no other reasonable options for defending yourself."

Is a man charging at me or my daughter a situation wherein I had "no other reasonable options for defending myself"? Not to most Ontarians (jury) and not to many judges. You'd better ascertain he has a deadly weapon before you just blindly shoot him for entering your house. If you have time for that. If he's charging you, sure, shoot him. Then go to jail while they sort it out. It's revealed he's just a crazy local with a history of drug abuse, who was unarmed. Now you killed an unarmed man in Ontario.

That's almost certainly manslaughter at best, murder at worst. Ontarians HATE handguns. Use a handgun in this fashion and good luck avoiding a murder charge or a sentence for manslaughter or murder.

It's easy to say stuff on the internet. But go ask an Ontario criminal defense lawyer, a cop, or anyone who's seriously into guns and you'll get very different opinions than what you just wrote. Best case scenario is "maybe you get off at trial, maybe you rot in jail - it depends on a lot". A stranger entering your house only allows you to use the minimum amount of force to keep him out. You can barricade doors and push him out if he gets in. You'd probably get off easy for assaulting him with hands and feet. A weapon? Now the courts decide if that weapon was necessary to get him out. A gun? More so. A gun discharged and killing the intruder? You've got legal problems now.

Ok, then go ahead and yield your life to a violent intruder who wishes to take your belongings or your life. Yes there’s levels to a perceived threat, but if it’s Anthony Smith level then I’m protecting myself and my family regardless of the legal outcomes. My life matters more than anyone else’s.

 

[mudrubble]

My life matters more than anyone else’s.

Which is precisely why I'm trying to find a way I can live mine freely AND ALSO protect my family. My life matters too much to me for me to simply shrug and say "Fuck it, I'll live out the rest of my days in jail - that's my plan"

If the only choices in the world are letting someone harm my family or spending 10-20 yrs in jail, I'll spend the 10-20 yrs. What I'm trying to explore is ways I can avoid both outcomes reliably. It may not be possible or it may. If it is, I need to try to achieve that. I value my life too much to casually let a forum discussion encapsulate my choices.

This is not about my life vs anyone else's. That's an easy choice and if you're citing that, you're missing my point.

To me, this is about my family's safety AND (not vs) my ability to live as a free (not incarcerated) man. Maybe that matters to me more than it does to you. Fair enough - different strokes.

And I'll DEF let someone take my belongings before I'd serve a sentence for manslaughter or murder. My life and my family's life and safety are another matter. But belongings? This isn't a movie.

 

[Mack Yancy]

Gotta give Walker props. Sharpened his game quite a bit. Not the most exciting fighters though. It seems like Smith broke again and Walker went easy on him

People used to suck Johnny's dick for how exciting he was. He was touted as the man to defeat Jon Jones.

Now look how far he's fallen. Getting safe wins against never-was like Anthony.