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This is how sparring should be done. @spacetime could learn a thing or two from watching videos like this.
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This is how sparring should be done. @spacetime could learn a thing or two from watching videos like this.
I wish I could get more guys to spar with me like that. Everyone good just wants to bang (probably because I train with a bunch of MMA guys).
Like I said, I'd prefer to have more technical sparring. And there are smaller and newer guys who I spar lighter with mostly because they can't scare me off like the pros do and I have more power to set the pace, but I do wish that some of the better people wouldn't just light me up the whole time. It's a tough gym, my coach's mindset comes from training high level MMA fighters (he used to coach with Trevor Wittman back when Grudge had guys like Shane Carwin, Pat Barry, Rashad Evans, etc.), and his advice to me on getting beat up was to hit them harder so they wouldn't feel so free to tee off. I mean, lots of technical stuff about movement, defense, staying in stance, etc, but what it kept coming back to was 'make them respect you'. Ok I guess, but these guys can keep it a lot more real than me so I'm torn between really letting my hands go and then getting beat up worse, or continuing to mostly just play defense.
BEEN THERE BEFORE, luckily i have also gotten to train w/pros and active ammys who understand the context of pace, situational awareness, letting a guy work and working on things of their own.
but i get the conundrum...u don't want to get walked over; so your coach is saying get their respect, but when there is such a disadvantage in conditioning skill and durability its hard to really get respect... Cus you don't crack hard enough or take it well enough to "back them off" and clearly exchanges are the times its easiest to get hit so it makes u defensive. Which also gets u hit cus they know you aren't firing off...
its a tough spot...theoretically u have to crack them a good couple'a times to make them at least be responsible and disciplined in their offense instead of teeing off. The real life execution of this can be a bit of a diff thing to do.
Let them bang mang!It's getting better every week as I get more comfortable defensively and get in better shape/am able to conserve energy better as I relax more. I also have 10-20 lbs on my main sparring partners which helps a lot. But basically you're right, I think I just have to go for it and if I land some good shots awesome, if I don't hit them hard well at least I'm throwing back. I definitely had more success with same time counters and keeping people at the end of my range this week, it's just a process like learning anything else.
You don't have to ramp in up and go to war. If they pick up ask them to back it off, if they do it again, ask them to back it down, if they ramp up, drill em, then back it down. Some times if you let them know that you CAN go you just don't want to, that can be enough.It's getting better every week as I get more comfortable defensively and get in better shape/am able to conserve energy better as I relax more. I also have 10-20 lbs on my main sparring partners which helps a lot. But basically you're right, I think I just have to go for it and if I land some good shots awesome, if I don't hit them hard well at least I'm throwing back. I definitely had more success with same time counters and keeping people at the end of my range this week, it's just a process like learning anything else.
You don't have to ramp in up and go to war. If they pick up ask them to back it off, if they do it again, ask them to back it down, if they ramp up, drill em, then back it down. Some times if you let them know that you CAN go you just don't want to, that can be enough.
Honestly though it sounds like your coach has issues.
As far as conditioning goes, you don't need to win every second of every round. Let them throw and miss, conserve energy, then pour it on for the last min. If they're tired tough shit, drill em. Maybe they wont go so hard for the first 2 if they keep getting bashed in the 3rd
Like I said, I'd prefer to have more technical sparring. And there are smaller and newer guys who I spar lighter with mostly because they can't scare me off like the pros do and I have more power to set the pace, but I do wish that some of the better people wouldn't just light me up the whole time. It's a tough gym, my coach's mindset comes from training high level MMA fighters (he used to coach with Trevor Wittman back when Grudge had guys like Shane Carwin, Pat Barry, Rashad Evans, etc.), and his advice to me on getting beat up was to hit them harder so they wouldn't feel so free to tee off. I mean, lots of technical stuff about movement, defense, staying in stance, etc, but what it kept coming back to was 'make them respect you'. Ok I guess, but these guys can keep it a lot more real than me so I'm torn between really letting my hands go and then getting beat up worse, or continuing to mostly just play defense.
That's the catch 21 of a competitive mma gym (or even a mt/kickboxing/boxing gym).
A gym like that is ideal for people looking to compete. It's not so great for people that aren't looking to compete or become a fighter.
I've personally noticed from some gyms I've gone to though that sparring hard or a competitive training environment will do more harm than good in the long term especially on your health. You'll pick up lots of injuries that will become nagging injuries in later life - on top of all the trauma to the head. It's a necessary evil for someone who fight/competes for a living or someone that aspires to compete - but I don't think it's necessary for someone that just wants to train for the lifestyle aspect or the enjoyment of training - hell it's not even a requirement for self defense to spar hard regularly. It does more harm than good for those in the recreational category.
I think though this is the limitation of a competitive gym - it's an environment that is great for a specific time frame of your life but not so great outside of that - maybe even detrimental.
The advice on getting lit up in sparring: 'hit them harder so they won't feel so free to tee off' and 'make them respect you' - is ideal if you're similar in age/experience/conditioning - like others have said it's not so great otherwise. As you've even said hitting someone harder who trains professionally probably won't really work in your favour. I think outside of that environment it's not good advice either.
But I feel like ego is a part and parcel of a competitive gym. It's almost a requirement if you want to get to the top of the mound. In those types of gym sparring is a competition too.
If I was in your position I'd probably be doing the exact same thing as you and working on my defense. Although I'd try to maintain distance as best as I can so they can't hit me too much (you're still learning how to maintain your distance under pressure and developing that important skill) and stick to parry/countering shots (you'll get better at that too) - since doing that you can really pull down the pace of the sparring session so it's not so hard & you aren't getting lit up as much. I've done that in the past - and can honestly say it's worked for me.
Whenever I'm sparring I always try to prioritize putting someone off balance - I feel like in this situation if you can find ways to compromise their balance - either as they are kicking or punching - they'll be more cautious to engage you (since it's not a great feeling losing your balance multiple times) and this way you can have more space to maneuver and ease some of the intensity of the spar & slow down the pace a bit.
You don't have to ramp in up and go to war. If they pick up ask them to back it off, if they do it again, ask them to back it down, if they ramp up, drill em, then back it down. Some times if you let them know that you CAN go you just don't want to, that can be enough.
Honestly though it sounds like your coach has issues.
As far as conditioning goes, you don't need to win every second of every round. Let them throw and miss, conserve energy, then pour it on for the last min. If they're tired tough shit, drill em. Maybe they wont go so hard for the first 2 if they keep getting bashed in the 3rd