Another BJJ doesn't work video

BJJ_Rage said:
They were, specially holding someone down, leg locks by far Bjj is the most perficient art, and that’s due Bjj guard. Bjj has taken the leglock game to a whole another level.

now, holding someone down, yes is a big flaw, because we are so used to the other person just being comfortable on its back (which ironically is what made Bjj so proeficient on leglocks) Adcc rules have made no gi grappling advance in wrestling term immensely, will never ever get to be as good as pure wrestling though, but neither are catch Guys or any other art though.

I think getting up should get rewarded, I don’t know how, but if the other person gets up, and gets points, that would make the person on too be much more worry about holding the person down… like I said I don’t know how, but it could turn out to be beneficial to the art on the long run.

by the way, I hate guard pulling now, though I’m a guard puller my self now, I’m old and my knees are turn apart, but if I was a young guy coming up, I would’ve love to be proficient on stand up.
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Interesting because in the video Jesee got penalized for getting up or not engaging. The ref viewed engaging as not standing up.

Points for standing up maybe not but advantage for escaping a submission or standing up could be good. ADCC/NoGI comps have also encouraged the the leglock game, watching Quintet recently where it was 10th Planet vs Craig Jones.

I noticed the Boogeyman had the chance to stand up against Craig jones but chose to stay down and look for the leg lock which lead to his defeat. I remember hearing Eddie bravo shouting to Boogeyman "Stand up or get up" but he thought it was better not to do it and leg fight.

I noticed in my game if I stand up it is actually very nice, my opponent looks for the leg lock and I escape and stand up rather then stay down impacts their strategy. They either stand or get to aggressive with leg entries that opens the pass.

I just wish I could wrestle better.
 
kintana said:
Interesting because in the video Jesee got penalized for getting up or not engaging. The ref viewed engaging as not standing up.

Points for standing up maybe not but advantage for escaping a submission or standing up could be good. ADCC/NoGI comps have also encouraged the the leglock game, watching Quintet recently where it was 10th Planet vs Craig Jones.

I noticed the Boogeyman had the chance to stand up against Craig jones but chose to stay down and look for the leg lock which lead to his defeat. I remember hearing Eddie bravo shouting to Boogeyman "Stand up or get up" but he thought it was better not to do it and leg fight.

I noticed in my game if I stand up it is actually very nice, my opponent looks for the leg lock and I escape and stand up rather then stay down impacts their strategy. They either stand or get to aggressive with leg entries that opens the pass.

I just wish I could wrestle better.
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Probably worth mentioning that the "stand ups" Jesse got penalized for would NOT be awarded a stand up point under U.S. folkstyle wrestling rules (where riding is encouraged and rewarded). The stand up point goes to bottom man for successfully disengaging and escaping to standing neutral position. So Jesse's opponent would have received the escape point. But of course, bottom man would have still been down 1 point because the only way he would have been underneath is if Jesse had scored a successful TD worth 2 points. In folkstyle wrestling, ways to score from the bottom are sweep (2 points) or escape/stand up (1 point).

So stand up point to bottom man (encourages top man to ride and bottom man to get out of there) only works if BJJ penalizes or disallows guard pulls.
 
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Where the fuck are all these gyms that just don't teach takedowns? I feel like I'm being punked every time I see videos like this. I compete constantly and every year I see less guard pullers. Where are yall going where this shit is still a problem?
 
JohnPJones said:
Fighting isn’t being behind the scenes of the organization, but ok.
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You r not impartial, NOBODY in the martial art world wanted WRESTLING in UFC 1, eventually Royce fought wrestlers, and Shamrock was another grappler, 2 grapplers was enought. People wanted to see Karate.. Kung Fu etc. There was nothing wrong with UFC.. clearly Wallace is full of Sht
 
GreatSaintGuillotine said:
Where the fuck are all these gyms that just don't teach takedowns? I feel like I'm being punked every time I see videos like this. I compete constantly and every year I see less guard pullers. Where are yall going where this shit is still a problem?
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every gym I’ve ever been to has taught take downs
 
I would never pull guard but the MMA gym I grappled at taught a lot of Wreslting on top of me Wreslting as a kid I would def double leg someone if I had no choice but to fight
 
GreatSaintGuillotine said:
Where the fuck are all these gyms that just don't teach takedowns? I feel like I'm being punked every time I see videos like this. I compete constantly and every year I see less guard pullers. Where are yall going where this shit is still a problem?
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My gym teaches takedowns, but we never start from the feet when going live. It's not encouraged, for all the reasons you usually hear. Not enough space, fear of injuries, etc. It's pretty ridiculous. If someone wants to improve takedowns, they should be given every opportunity to do them live.
 
kjg1672 said:
My gym teaches takedowns, but we never start from the feet when going live. It's not encouraged, for all the reasons you usually hear. Not enough space, fear of injuries, etc. It's pretty ridiculous. If someone wants to improve takedowns, they should be given every opportunity to do them live.
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I'm with you. It makes no sense to ignore that portion of the game. And it defeats the purpose of training TDs if you never allow them to be applied live. There are was to make limited space into team drills for competitive rolls.
 
kjg1672 said:
My gym teaches takedowns, but we never start from the feet when going live. It's not encouraged, for all the reasons you usually hear. Not enough space, fear of injuries, etc. It's pretty ridiculous. If someone wants to improve takedowns, they should be given every opportunity to do them live.
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GreatSaintGuillotine said:
I'm with you. It makes no sense to ignore that portion of the game. And it defeats the purpose of training TDs if you never allow them to be applied live. There are was to make limited space into team drills for competitive rolls.
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easy solution: start live rounds on the feet and decide who gets to hit the first TD. One person drills a takedown and the other person acts as a uki. As soon as you hit the ground the roll goes live. When there’s a tap or a standup then you repeat the process except the other person gets to hit a takedown to start the round off
 
kjg1672 said:
My gym teaches takedowns, but we never start from the feet when going live. It's not encouraged, for all the reasons you usually hear. Not enough space, fear of injuries, etc. It's pretty ridiculous. If someone wants to improve takedowns, they should be given every opportunity to do them live.
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Yes, live sparring is the only way to sharpen skills
Any idiot can takedown a non resistant opponent
 
DoctorTaco said:
easy solution: start live rounds on the feet and decide who gets to hit the first TD. One person drills a takedown and the other person acts as a uki. As soon as you hit the ground the roll goes live. When there’s a tap or a standup then you repeat the process except the other person gets to hit a takedown to start the round off
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Good suggestion. Maybe, use takedowns minus any shooting for a double/single, just clinchwork, to avoid collisions with the rest of the bodies on the mat.
 
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