Anime and Manga v16

[heavyarms21]

I've only been dubb'd once and then I decided to just take a month off.

It's too risky to post with teh dubbs!

I've been dubbed a couple of times as part of mass dubbings , it didn't change the way I posted here on Mayberrry but I avoided the Boxing and Heavies threads because those forums tend to get mass dubbings on big fight nights.

 

[JBSchroeds]

Off the topic of the "Big 3": New All-Rounder Meguru is out: http://unixmanga.com/onlinereading/All_Rounder_Meguru/All_Rounder_Meguru_c063_nas.html

I'm going to have to read back a few chapters to refresh where everything is at.

Holy shit, new Meguru!? Sweeeet.

Damn he was a good poster wtf!?

He was on dubbs and posted in an e-suicide thread. So they upgraded him from dubs to hammered.

In Part 1 the fights, story, dialogue was so much better. Nothing in part 2 even comes close to fucking with Lee vs Gaara and Naruto vs Sasuke.

And the Sasuke Retrieval arc is STILL the best arc in the series.

Also Shippuden isn't nearly as funny as part 1. Hell it isn't funny at all. They completely threw humor out the window in part 2. Or when they try it is just sad.

I thought the Sasuke Retrieval arc was too long-winded. It was just a series of linear showdowns, two (iirc) of which had a last-second deus ex machina bailout. Though the final showdown between Naruto and Sasuke was a great way to close out the arc.

 

[Gregolian]

I thought the Sasuke Retrieval arc was too long-winded. It was just a series of linear showdowns, two (iirc) of which had a last-second deus ex machina bailout. Though the final showdown between Naruto and Sasuke was a great way to close out the arc.

Even with the Deus Ex ending to Kiba, Shikamaru, and Lee's fights (which BTW Shikamaru didn't REALLY need it if I remember right) that whole arc is one of the few that I think "watches" better in the anime than reading it.

 

[heavyarms21]

Aside from the characters they seem like two completely different productions in way. Don't get me wrong the beginning of Shippuden was awesome with the Akatsuki, Sasuke hunt, and seeing the result of everyone's progression. But goddamn the story and started to get lame IMO.

My interest has increased after reading last chapter and this might save some excitement for me overall.

The annoying thing for me at the start of Shippuden was how fucking overpowered they made Sasgay , I understand that Orochimaru probably had a steady training plan for him as well as genetic engineering but still Naruto was getting direct training from another Sanin in Jiraiya and Jiraiya already has success training a student with potential in Minato

 

[Gregolian]

The annoying thing for me at the start of Shippuden was how fucking overpowered they made Sasgay , I understand that Orochimaru probably had a steady training plan for him as well as genetic engineering but still Naruto was getting direct training from another Sanin in Jiraiya and Jiraiya already has success training a student with potential in Minato

It's that "prodigy" character thing IMO.

 

[heavyarms21]

Even with the Deus Ex ending to Kiba, Shikamaru, and Lee's fights (which BTW Shikamaru didn't REALLY need it if I remember right) that whole arc is one of the few that I think "watches" better in the anime than reading it.

You know I actually enjoyed the manga version of it more especially the Shinobi of the Sand's intervention even if it was extremely convenient

 

[Gregolian]

You know I actually enjoyed the manga version of it more especially the Shinobi of the Sand's intervention even if it was extremely convenient

Maybe I am remembering it incorrectly.

 

[heavyarms21]

It's that "prodigy" character thing IMO.

The "insufferable prodigy type" Japan loves em but it annoys the shit out of me.

 

[FlyThai**]

Holy shit, new Meguru!? Sweeeet.



He was on dubbs and posted in an e-suicide thread. So they upgraded him from dubs to hammered.



I thought the Sasuke Retrieval arc was too long-winded. It was just a series of linear showdowns, two (iirc) of which had a last-second deus ex machina bailout. Though the final showdown between Naruto and Sasuke was a great way to close out the arc.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but man I feel the complete opposite.

There is a value to an arc that has you on the edge of your seat at the time asking yourself "wtf is going to happen!?". That value can never be measures again since you legitely knows what happens. This arc is the biggest example of an arc that had that value in full.

1) Sasuke fighting Naruto for the first time and I'm thinking like, "shit this is happening!"
2) Watching Neji (RIP) and Choujis death fights literally thinking they was dead and thinking Shikimaru and Kiba might die as well.
3) watching Rock Lee drunken fist was pure awesome
4) Gaaras return and debut as a good guy.
5) and the first time Naruto gained a jinchiriki cloak and tail, along with Sasuke completing the sharingan. And throughout the fight I was wondering who was going to win!

It was such a damn good arc. IMO of course

 

[JBSchroeds]

Even with the Deus Ex ending to Kiba, Shikamaru, and Lee's fights (which BTW Shikamaru didn't REALLY need it if I remember right) that whole arc is one of the few that I think "watches" better in the anime than reading it.

For some reason I always forget about that Lee fight. And I think you might be right about the watch-vs-read for that arc.

 

[FlyThai**]

The annoying thing for me at the start of Shippuden was how fucking overpowered they made Sasgay , I understand that Orochimaru probably had a steady training plan for him as well as genetic engineering but still Naruto was getting direct training from another Sanin in Jiraiya and Jiraiya already has success training a student with potential in Minato

You know that was my initial complaint about Shippuden.

Naruto got stronger yes, but he was still kind of a noob post time skip. (not knowing about elemental manipulation, summonings, how to control Jinchiriki), I thought it was not exactly a plot hole but bad storytelling.

Jiraiya is the best sensei ever (Minato, Pein, Konan) and he didn't teach Naruto these things? He was outclassed by Orochimaru this much in the sensei department? Bullshit!

 

[heavyarms21]

You know that was my initial complaint about Shippuden.

Naruto got stronger yes, but he was still kind of a noob post time skip. (not knowing about elemental manipulation, summonings, how to control Jinchiriki), I thought it was not exactly a plot hole but bad storytelling.

Jiraiya is the best sensei ever (Minato, Pein, Konan) and he didn't teach Naruto these things? He was outclassed by Orochimaru this much in the sensei department? Bullshit!

See I didn't even mention Pein or Konan, for as shitty a student as Naruto is you would think that 2 years time with someone like Jiraiya would have made him as skilled as a Jonin, but his ridiculous chakra reserve was kinda like an excuse for him to be a baffoon

 

[Gregolian]

For some reason I always forget about that Lee fight. And I think you might be right about the watch-vs-read for that arc.

I think that's because the Lee fight i over almost before it starts. Lee frustrates his opponent and gets smacked briefly before Gaara shows up and they pound the shit out of the guy together.

I just got done with seeing Sasuke break/dislocate the shoulders of that Zaku guy in the Forest of Death so I still have a ways before that fight starts.

The "insufferable prodigy type" Japan loves em but it annoys the shit out of me.

I hate it too.




I also think the Naruto not knowing some shit was a big WTF but when you think about it, Jiraiya is always portrayed as a badass fighter on par with Orochimaru as well as being a potential Hokage candidate but he was never portrayed as a good teacher the way Kakashi, Iruka, and even Yamato were. He's always portrayed as a bit of a bumbling fool once it comes to teaching. Choosing hot spring locations to peep while he tells Naruto to try something and shit.

See I didn't even mention Pein or Konan, for as shitty a student as Naruto is you would think that 2 years time with someone like Jiraiya would have made him as skilled as a Jonin, but his ridiculous chakra reserve was kinda like an excuse for him to be a baffoon

Was Jiraiya a good teacher though? Minato, Pein, and Konan are all portrayed as incredibly studios types while Naruto is portrayed as a guy that is well, pretty bad at everything he does until it just "clicks" for him.

Like, he can't do a standard replication clone decoy technique but he can achieve the much harder physical clone technique almost first try.

 

[FlyThai**]

See I didn't even mention Pein or Konan, for as shitty a student as Naruto is you would think that 2 years time with someone like Jiraiya would have made him as skilled as a Jonin, but his ridiculous chakra reserve was kinda like an excuse for him to be a baffoon

What makes it even worse is if you consider how much stronger he has gotten with these training arcs.

He can go from noob to God and guaranteed next Hokage in about a year and Jiraiya couldn't do better in two years? At least a little? Come on.

 

[GSP4tw]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but man I feel the complete opposite.

There is a value to an arc that has you on the edge of your seat at the time asking yourself "wtf is going to happen!?". That value can never be measures again since you legitely knows what happens. This arc is the biggest example of an arc that had that value in full.

1) Sasuke fighting Naruto for the first time and I'm thinking like, "shit this is happening!"
2) Watching Neji (RIP) and Choujis death fights literally thinking they was dead and thinking Shikimaru and Kiba might die as well.
3) watching Rock Lee drunken fist was pure awesome
4) Gaaras return and debut as a good guy.
5) and the first time Naruto gained a jinchiriki cloak and tail, along with Sasuke completing the sharingan. And throughout the fight I was wondering who was going to win!

It was such a damn good arc. IMO of course

Which, in my opinion, is the beginning of the end for Gaara being an interesting character. After he lost his fight to Naruto he began to turn into Naruto of the Sand, and having one Naruto of anything is more than enough.

It was a good arc though.

 

[JBSchroeds]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but man I feel the complete opposite.

There is a value to an arc that has you on the edge of your seat at the time asking yourself "wtf is going to happen!?". That value can never be measures again since you legitely knows what happens. This arc is the biggest example of an arc that had that value in full.

1) Sasuke fighting Naruto for the first time and I'm thinking like, "shit this is happening!"
2) Watching Neji (RIP) and Choujis death fights literally thinking they was dead and thinking Shikimaru and Kiba might die as well.
3) watching Rock Lee drunken fist was pure awesome
4) Gaaras return and debut as a good guy.
5) and the first time Naruto gained a jinchiriki cloak and tail, along with Sasuke completing the sharingan. And throughout the fight I was wondering who was going to win!

It was such a damn good arc. IMO of course

Oh, I'm not dismissing the individual awesome moments, because I agree with most of what you're saying (though I have never cared about Chouji). But having watched it in the anime and reading it in the manga twice now I just feel that the pacing is off. And the three bailouts sort of ruin it for me on repeated viewing/reading.

You know that was my initial complaint about Shippuden.

Naruto got stronger yes, but he was still kind of a noob post time skip. (not knowing about elemental manipulation, summonings, how to control Jinchiriki), I thought it was not exactly a plot hole but bad storytelling.

Jiraiya is the best sensei ever (Minato, Pein, Konan) and he didn't teach Naruto these things? He was outclassed by Orochimaru this much in the sensei department? Bullshit!

I think that Naruto's slower growth was because he was doing things that were actually far more difficult and he wasn't "juicing". Trying to control the kyubbi chakra is really hard, and that seems to have been the primary focus of Naruto's timeskip training. I think the Pain arc and Naruto's mastery of Sage Mode shows the payoff of all that chakra control training.

EDIT: it's sort of how at the start of training Jirya said that being able to control large volumes of chakra would open up a whole new world of jutsu for him that nobody else could match, and we've really been seeing that recently.

 

[heavyarms21]

I think that's because the Lee fight i over almost before it starts. Lee frustrates his opponent and gets smacked briefly before Gaara shows up and they pound the shit out of the guy together.

I just got done with seeing Sasuke break/dislocate the shoulders of that Zaku guy in the Forest of Death so I still have a ways before that fight starts.



I hate it too.




I also think the Naruto not knowing some shit was a big WTF but when you think about it, Jiraiya is always portrayed as a badass fighter on par with Orochimaru as well as being a potential Hokage candidate but he was never portrayed as a good teacher the way Kakashi, Iruka, and even Yamato were. He's always portrayed as a bit of a bumbling fool once it comes to teaching. Choosing hot spring locations to peep while he tells Naruto to try something and shit.



Was Jiraiya a good teacher though? Minato, Pein, and Konan are all portrayed as incredibly studios types while Naruto is portrayed as a guy that is well, pretty bad at everything he does until it just "clicks" for him.

Like, he can't do a standard replication clone decoy technique but he can achieve the much harder physical clone technique almost first try.

That is a fair assessment but you expect better after 2 years of being together

 

[heavyarms21]

What makes it even worse is if you consider how much stronger he has gotten with these training arcs.

He can go from noob to God and guaranteed next Hokage in about a year and Jiraiya couldn't do better in two years? At least a little? Come on.

Well one of those training arcs was in Myobokuzan with the Frog Sages themselves so I can forgive that bit , but Naruto should have at least not that far behind sasuke when they met after the timeskip, fucking Sasuke was almost god like in that encounter

 

[heavyarms21]

Random thought does anyone know if Gamaran is getting an Anime Adaptation ?? I think it would be a fun Sword and Samurai Anime

 

[Gregolian]

That is a fair assessment but you expect better after 2 years of being together

IDK about that, like JBS said:

I think that Naruto's slower growth was because he was doing things that were actually far more difficult and he wasn't "juicing". Trying to control the kyubbi chakra is really hard, and that seems to have been the primary focus of Naruto's timeskip training. I think the Pain arc and Naruto's mastery of Sage Mode shows the payoff of all that chakra control training.

Naruto is having to deal with learning, pretty much on his own, how to control the power/energy of a homicidal maniac fox demon that wants to kill everything because he misses the Sage of Six Paths. I would expect almost the entire time he was concentrating on controlling that because if I remember right it gets revealed after the essentially second Sasgay retrieval arc that Naruto almost killed Jiraiya at one point when trying to control the transformation.

Meanwhile, Sasgay gets to basically sit there and get pumped full of essentially Naruto-verse steroids.

Oh, I'm not dismissing the individual awesome moments, because I agree with most of what you're saying (though I have never cared about Chouji). But having watched it in the anime and reading it in the manga twice now I just feel that the pacing is off. And the three bailouts sort of ruin it for me on repeated viewing/reading.

I always kinda liked Chouji in a laughable sort of way.