An example of a ground-based judo competition match

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  1. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    An example of a predominantly ground-based judo fight....

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  2. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    Funny - sometimes I think "jeez, BJJ is similar to judo" and then I see a match like this and think "Fark - judo looks nothing like BJJ".

    Interesting to note the amount of time they spend on the ground - referees will give you this time as long as "progress is being made".
     
  3. Thalion

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    that's kenzo nakamura vs Takamatsu at all japan

    Kenzo is one of the strongest newaza player of 90's.

    In a book and some forums is reported that while he was teaching at budokwai at london, he sparred with Roger Gracie and stalemated ( but a bjj purple belt stated that the roger has the edge of the sparring)
     
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    when it comes to judo newaza in the club and training and judo newaza in a tournament i think its a big difference , as you know the rules of judo prohibit the judoka to use certian tactics because they do not want to be put in a pin if it was just a straight sub match i think you would see a judoka do more things when they are not thinking of getting pinned .
     
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    if where posting good sub judoka iam posting this dude just cuz hes wicked good


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  6. Jamaya

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    Judo and BJJ are two sides of the same coin. Each style just develped different tendencies due to the nature of the competition. Judokas had to concentrate on the ippon and really only enphasized ground control in newaza.
    BJJ guys derive their stuff from the Judo that was transitioning into the current, predominantly tewaza, competition. That, and the countless amount of time rolling on the ground made throws secondary and made the ground game the true centerpiece.
    It's really cool to study both!
     
  7. Nickynoneck

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    thats what iam doing iam gonna start bjj soon i have done judo for about a year and half i got my blue belt in judo and iam gonna start bjj beginner classes in june and i will treat it as i never did anyground stuff before ( although my club is 50/50 and i have some really good ground guys and bjj guys in my class) and will try to put myself in a mind set that iam a beginner.

    theres nothing better then getting submitted by a bjj guy and learning, hopefully they feel the same when i throw a bjj guy . its two arts that if a person can apply them at the same time they can be unstopplable in eithe of the comps of the two arts .

    I dont understand when you hear the two sides arguing when really if done together it helps them out so much .
     
  8. ozyabbas

    ozyabbas Purple Belt

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    I think it is rather unfair to compare a judo world champion who specialises in newaza against rank and file bjj black belts. If the judo world champion is going to compete against bjj guys then they should fight leo vierra, marcelo garcia, jacare, roger gracie etc. I think that would make for a more fair match.

    Its also unfair for bjj guys to go to a judo gym and just because they tap black belts that just trainin their spare time, that bjj is better than judo.

    Judo and bjj are both excellent grappling styles but emphasise different things. Leave the champions to fight with other champions to make a more fair fight.
     
  9. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    I did'nt post this for a "judo vs BJJ" argument.

    It is just interesting (for BJJers) to have a look at some top level judo players having a match that is mostly ground-based.

    You can see the massive differences - although strangely when rolling on the ground during training it looks a lot more like BJJ.
     
  10. Q mystic

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    Seemed to me when looking back, in my case, that my early judo newaza was more bjj looking and later the stuff I learned was more wrestling...seems like it should go reverse but the match you see like the one you posted look closer to wrestling as well.
     
  11. Thalion

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    I think that this match is different also cause Kenzo Nakamura is mad for Sankaku , and while he has an amazing open guard, he is the master of that sankaku turnover so in his fight he go a lot for that move

    This one had very good ground attack (both are very good newaza player) and Mark Huizinga is a great open guard player and even if he is veeery good with yoko sankaku he usually go a lot for sweep from guard

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    That was an awesome fight.
     
  13. codemonkey76

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    i see what you mean, that looks nothing like BJJ, turtle, reverse triangle, reversal, turtle, reverse triangle, reversal, turtle... it's like it is on a loop
     
  14. judogido

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    That WAS a great match. Wow...
     
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    Sorry, I shouldn't have treated it as one. Well anyway, theres a video you may have already have watched, you get to see some slick flying armbars, clockwork chokes, reverse triangle etc.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=4u41omoNO4U

    The reverse triangle is an interesting move that I think I have only pulled of 2 or 3 times and where all by accident (well, not actively looking for it). I found it to be a good control technique but hard to choke people with it. It wasn't as easily as adjustable as a regular triangle from your back.
     
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    Cheers

    I think I will start a new thread just on judo vids. Bjj guys like myself don't know which judokas or judo matches to look out for.
     
  19. Masakatsu Funaki #1

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    Judo really does remind me of catch wrestling, sheesh.
     

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