an argument for Xande

[blanko]

as great as roger is.. I belive that Xande accomplished more in jiu jitsu than Roger did. With Xande beating Roger two times for the absolute crown... can't you make an argument that xande is more accomplished than roger?

 

[UrbanSavage**]

I believe that Xande IS more accomplished than Roger, at this point.

 

[ooitzoo]

You could make the argument and it'd be a good argument. I'm likely to disagree given that Roger will likely continue to accomplish (and likely surpass Xande) but thats just an opinion.

Though I think Roger's ADCC record is more impressive then Xande's.

 

[Samurai Jack]

Either way, Roger is quite young while Xande is nearing the end of his career.

R U serious?! Xande is about 26, same as Roger..

 

[blanko]

we are talking about jiu jitsu here not adcc.

 

[Hinch**]

as great as roger is.. I belive that Xande accomplished more in jiu jitsu than Roger did. With Xande beating Roger two times for the absolute crown... can't you make an argument that xande is more accomplished than roger?

It's the same reasoning I used for Jacare over Roger, weirdly. When it came down to the biggest match of the career, one man stood over Roger with two golds.

Now it's two men.

Roger's division domination may not be rivaled, as no man has come close to five straight gold medals. However he's 1-4 in Absolute finals, against smaller men. That and a loss to PDP in his first Mundials, but counting that is cruel.

He does still hold notable victories over both men though. A European Absolute victory over Jacare, and a weight class finals win over Xande when Xande moved up. However, when it comes to the big one, it seems when Jacare and Xande are around, Roger's chances seem lower.

And I'd rate Xande as now the most success laden BJJ practicioner. Four weight class golds and two absolute golds puts him over Roger in my opinion. Jacare, while having two years of utter dominance in both CBJJO and the IBJJF, didn;t stick around long enough to gain the haul of medals Xande and Roger have ammassed.

Also, I feel like a BJJ nerd.

 

[Einherjar]

I agree with you Hinch, BUT... I do have some counter agruments:

Against Jacare: Yes he has lost to him on points 3 times. But he has also finished him 2 times and in his one loss against him he broke Jacare's arm. In my opinion he has greater finishing power, and that counts for a lot in BJJ.

Against Xande: I give him all the props in the world, but he is boooooring and passive. Just like his brother he rides the points. I cant help think it would be different if it was no time limit. It's a silly argument but... thats how I feel.

With this said, this is a sport, and within the frames of the sport, it is hard to disagree with Xande's status now.

 

[ooitzoo]

R U serious?! Xande is about 26, same as Roger..

Xande is 27 but yes, you're right. I stand corrected. Got Saulo and Xande confused in terms of age.

I will edit my post.

 

[blanko]

Against Xande: I give him all the props in the world, but he is boooooring and passive. Just like his brother he rides the points. I cant help think it would be different if it was no time limit. It's a silly argument but... thats how I feel.

actually, if there was no time limit saulo's and xande's game will shine even more because they stick to the tennents of jiu jitsu. They attempt to achive and maintain positional dominance and the submission will come sooner or later.

 

[stu3ufc**]

xande over roger

 

[Samurai Jack]

xande over roger

any day of the week.

 

[Gsoares2***]

Roger over Xande -

Xande wins on points.. Roger wins by submission.

Roger beat xande in like the first minute of their match in 2006... Sitting triangle choke. Xande has never had the kind of finish over Roger.

Roger has not been training pure bjj, and is working on mma for more than a year. Yet he still comes in and makes it to the finals and loses on a questionable point situation.

Roger and Jacare is a better comparison and their fights were more competitive.

I know we are talking about bjj and not ADCC but the two are comparable, and Roger definetly takes the cake. Using no-gi bjj to win adcc - submitting everyone.

That.. and Roger doesnt cry when he loses.

The Ribeiros are amazing in their own right - i just feel like Roger is the more dominate, and Xande some how wins by complications, advantages. Where as when Roger win's.. there is no question.. some one tapped.

 

[DirectDrive]

Gsoares2, you make a lot of excueses for Roger but foreget to point out that he is huge compared to xande and jacare.

 

[kenban judan]

out of ten straight matches, i think roger beats xande more often, but bear in mind, while xande is an atheletic 6 feet 215lbs (right?), roger is an almost perfect technical 6'4 220lbs monster with gi shredding strength. it's apples and oranges

 

[Hinch**]

How can you be sure on your ten straight matches theory. In BJJ, it's fairly even. The biggest matches however, have gone to Xande.

Their three biggest BJJ matches I can recall are the 2005 SuperHeavy Mundial final, and the two absolute finals in '06 and this year.

 

[ooitzoo]

Gsoares2, you make a lot of excueses for Roger but foreget to point out that he is huge compared to xande and jacare.

Not that huge if Xande was able to move up into his division...not like say Marcelo compared to Roger.

 

[ooitzoo]

out of ten straight matches, i think roger beats xande more often, but bear in mind, while xande is an atheletic 6 feet 215lbs (right?), roger is an almost perfect technical 6'4 220lbs monster with gi shredding strength. it's apples and oranges

He weighs 5 pounds more...wtf are you talking about?

 

[kenban judan]

He weighs 5 pounds more...wtf are you talking about?

shit i didn't even notice that cause i was converting the kilos over while typing, well then yeah, not so different - i'll tell you roger will tap tim sylvia ten straight times, how bout that?

 

[blanko]

bottom line is this. in sport jiu jitsu the black belt absolute champion is the star and the title is coveted beyoned everything else. Xande beat him 2 times at the biggest stage.

 

[rampage22]

actually, if there was no time limit saulo's and xande's game will shine even more because they stick to the tennents of jiu jitsu. They attempt to achive and maintain positional dominance and the submission will come sooner or later.

good call man. Just refer to the "road to the championship" dvd xande talks all about establishing the dominance.