American Fighters Today: WTF

[fjodor]

Murricans definently had better times in MMA. They are far more dangerous if they are armed and near a school than in the octagon these days.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I’m with USA!USA! (For his point not because I’m cheering on America). You only looked at the 1 list.
P4P American women
3 Kayla Harrison
5 Juliana Pena
8 Erin Blanchfield
10 Raquel Pennington
11 Tatiana Suarez
12 Rose Namajunas
14 Macy Barber
7 of the top 15. Half.
Yes I know you have already said you’re sexist and don’t count the women. But just because you don’t like watching them doesn’t make them not there. Probably the reason that there are so many Americans women in the top 15 is because women are actually treated as equals there.

I think in a way this is congruent with the Zeitgeist in America of the last 15 years or so. It has been all about making women more masculine and men more feminine. I find that it‘s only natural that american men step away from combat sports while american women step in.

BTW I am a huge Kayla fan.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I think in a way this is congruent with the Zeitgeist in America of the last 15 years or so. It has been all about making women more masculine and men more feminine. I find that it‘s only natural that american men step away from combat sports while american women step in.

BTW I am a huge Kayla fan.

Men haven't stepped away from combat sports at all? More American men compete in MMA now than before, and American men are still elite, as clearly shown by the TS example.

Thats not to mention that boxing, BJJ, wrestling etc still have American men at the top, well ahead of American women.

 

[spinup]

On the UFC rankings page which sucks, yeah, I know, but where my homies at?

P4P (which is dumb, but) :
You have to get to Holloway at 12 to find the first American.

What about the relevant divisions?

135:
You have to get to Cory at 4 to find the first American and he's about to get crushed by Merab.

145:
You have to get to Aljo at 5 to find the first American, but there's not much of a chance for him against the top guys.

155:
You have to get to Max at 3 to find the first American, but there's not much of a chance for him against the top guys.

170:
You have to get to Brady at 2 to find the first American. At least he's got a decent shot for a strap.

185:
You have to get to Strickland at 3 to find the first American and of course Khamzat will absolutely manhandle him.

205:
Clowntree at 4. Just LOL.

HW:
Blaydes at 4 and Lewis 8, who at least has a shot to beat anyone, although unlikely.

Not sure Donnie and Dana have thought the birthday card thing through. Picture Americans losing every fight they're in. Happy 250th... Yikes!

That's why they created the BMF belt and why the BMF will always be fights between americans.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Men haven't stepped away from combat sports at all? More American men compete in MMA now than before, and American men are still elite, as clearly shown by the TS example.

Thats not to mention that boxing, BJJ, wrestling etc still have American men at the top, well ahead of American women.

Well I am not sure that men wrestling is well ahead of women wrestling. Most American medals in wrestling in the last olympics came from women wrestling. Was it always like that? I don‘t think so.

In judo I am pretty sure that american women rank better than american men.

In MMA women rank way higher than men in America, and it wasn‘t always like that.

So yeah, there seems to be a general trend.

 

[chinarice]

This. What is the OP smoking? If anything, this shows American supremacy.

Imagine how drastically that number would change if they signed 4x Russians to the roster to match the amount of Americans on the ufc roster. There absolutely would be no American "supremacy ".

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Imagine how drastically that number would change if they signed 4x Russians to the roster to match the amount if Americans on the ufc roster. There absolutely would be no American "supremacy ".

Using the methodology the TS used, it actually wouldnt change much. He's literally just placing the highest ranking guy. There aren't enough elite Russians to push down the highest ranking American guys in every division.

Guys like Sandhagen or O'Malley or whatever would still be high ranked even if they brought in a ton of Russians, and 135 would be one of the ones that would be flooded with Russians. Are there a ton of Russians that would destroy Sterling? Not at at all. A bunch that would beat Max Holloway's ass outside the UFC? Maybe one at best. 170 is rich with some great Russian fighters in the PFL so they could probably push Belal from the #1 spot, but still would be well within the top 5. The heavy classes would not really be dented outside of Vadim Nemkov who already fights at a weightclass that has a bunch of high ranking members (Blaydes is already behind two Russians).

Now, the methodology the TS used is very poor, but so is the premise that American MMA is weak. Threads about American MMA are almost always about USA vs The Field not USA vs Another Country. These threads also rarely say anything about American MMA culture in general (other then some weird implication that Americans are weak or something), as a significant amount of foreign fighters train in the United States despite the high cost of living and unfriendly visa which obviously means American MMA is top tier.

 

[chinarice]

Using the methodology the TS used, it actually wouldnt change much. He's literally just placing the highest ranking guy. There aren't enough elite Russians to push down the highest ranking American guys in every division.

Guys like Sandhagen or O'Malley or whatever would still be high ranked even if they brought in a ton of Russians, and 135 would be one of the ones that would be flooded with Russians. Are there a ton of Russians that would destroy Sterling? Not at at all. A bunch that would beat Max Holloway's ass outside the UFC? Maybe one at best. 170 is rich with some great Russian fighters in the PFL so they could probably push Belal from the #1 spot, but still would be well within the top 5. The heavy classes would not really be dented outside of Vadim Nemkov who already fights at a weightclass that has a bunch of high ranking members (Blaydes is already behind two Russians).

Now, the methodology the TS used is very poor, but so is the premise that American MMA is weak. Threads about American MMA are almost always about USA vs The Field not USA vs Another Country. These threads also rarely say anything about American MMA culture in general (other then some weird implication that Americans are weak or something), as a significant amount of foreign fighters train in the United States despite the high cost of living and unfriendly visa which obviously means American MMA is top tier.

How do you know there isn't when there's literally 1/4th the Russians than there are Americans and that's solely because it's a murican company. Plenty of these muricans would be crushed by regional Russian fighters

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

 

[oski]

So WTF was OP talking about when they wrote:
“Not sure Donnie and Dana have thought the birthday card thing through. Picture Americans losing every fight they're in. Happy 250th... Yikes!” because that’s rather confusing.

 

[jitzmonkey]

 

[Clark Rogers]

So we've gone from lots of Jones vs Tom threads to lots of "where are the Americans" threads.

This place needs a damn random topic generator. I'm developing a new appreciation for @Takes Two To Tango.

 

[orca]

(a wild dominick reyes appears)

imagine a D level unmotivated version of jones
and he still cant beat
must be painful to know you cant beat the lowest version

 

[Meathead Jock]

I think if you live and train in America, you should count on our side.

Nah. Only if you moved here as a child. I'll count Usman as an American fighter because he moved here at 8 years old. Otherwise it was that other country that forged a tough kid and made him into a badass.

 

[Meathead Jock]

the fact that American girls are much higher ranked than American men speaks volumes

also, take a look at boxing rankings to get an even bigger shock, Americans cant fight.

Yea it speaks that the countries that raise fighters don't typically want or allow their females to fight otherwise their would be less American women in the top 10. Plus their pay is even worse than the men's, so less reason to attempt to be a female fighter and travel abroad to compete.

Agree entirely Americans can't fight. They can still wrestle, but that's about as close to fighting as our culture will allow without you spending a life in Juvie/jail where you're not having access to trainers.

America needed Pico's chin to be lucky (failed) and Gable Steveson to save us (still possible at least).

 

[humdizzle]

immigrant mentality

american women do ok because the the sport of women fighting is acceptable by some groups here. You think any woman from the caucus region is going to be allowed to fight or even roll bjj with men?

 

[Karate Kid]

its called cycles. the american run just ended a bit ago.

just like what brazilians are going through at the moment. just because its a bit less in championship frequency doesn't mean its a downward spiral but parents increasingly are more and more cautious to sending their children to such fight camps due to the obvious dangers. the ones that join do so at a much later age than they do out east therefore are less inclined to be as effective as they can be.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Aren't we dominating slap dangal though haanji? @Slapjit

 

[FilipEmoFights]

Unfortunate Figure Combat pays terribly, but enough for foreigners to happily take the cte while Americans themselves can get paid more doing safer sports like skateboarding and boxing

 

[FilipEmoFights]

Unfortunate Figure Combat pays terribly, but enough for foreigners to happily take the cte while Americans themselves can get paid more doing safer sports like skateboarding and boxing