Amanda Nunes vs Cyborg 2?

As much as I would love for that fight to happen, I don’t want Cyborg to watch Cyborg fight ever again. I was a fan of hers for a very long time, but her time in the UFC showed me how incredibly annoying she truly is and how she dodged fighting Nunes again. I feel sorry for anyone who has to work with her professionally, or maybe it’s easy when you are just feeding her cans in the b league instead of demanding her to fight legit opponents.

If they were to rematch, I think it’s 50/50. Cyborg is very skilled, but she was able to get away brawling with soccer mom’s, not actual athletes like Nunes. Cyborg with some improved game planning/fight IQ could very well take it.
 
Cyborg is a great can crusher n Gina is STILL her best win.
 
Not saying the size didn't help Valentina against Andrade, but it was definitely more skill. People were making it out like she was twice Andrade's size and just used brute strength. Not saying that you're implying that or anything though.

Nunes probably will try to take down Val if they fought, I agree, but I don't see how Val was clearly a better striker in the 2nd fight when the first 4 rounds were all on the feet and she got slightly outlanded in each one. If she had clearly been the better striker, she'd have cleanly won more rounds than she lost out of those 4, but that didn't happen.

I still don't see how Val was fighting in the wrong division. Not counting what happened with Carmouche, she had never been beaten at BW and she fought there her entire career up until she lost to Nunes a second time. Other than Nunes, no one gave her any real trouble.

She goes from getting tds and having no issues against a big BW like Holly to losing to Nunes in what was basically a standing point fight, and then all of a sudden "she was always too small".
Valentina is great, we both agree on that. Your arguing a little black and white when I am saying grey. Valentina could compete and probably beat most if not all at BW. Against the very best (Amanda), she had trouble with TDD. In the second fight Amanda used point fighting (leg kicks mostly) to build up a lead. Valentina oustruck Amanda to the head significantly. They created the division that Valentina naturally should fight at and that's where she's fighting. I was using an example of Andrade to show what could happen when fighting in the wrong division. She went from slamming everyone and beating the champ (arguably twice) to getting crucifixed. Valentina is special and so is Amanda. There is nobody for Valentina to fight and Amanda is running out of opponents. It doesn't seem like Amanda wants that fight. I agree that Valentina isn't campaigning hard enough for it. Dana seems like he wants to protect Amanda's legacy at this point. That's how I see it.
 
I don't think she'd ever do business with Tge UFC again while Dana is still around.
 
Dana absolutely hates Cyborg he’s never allow her a shot against Nunes too risky for him if she does win the rematch.
 
Not saying the size didn't help Valentina against Andrade, but it was definitely more skill. People were making it out like she was twice Andrade's size and just used brute strength. Not saying that you're implying that or anything though.

Nunes probably will try to take down Val if they fought, I agree, but I don't see how Val was clearly a better striker in the 2nd fight when the first 4 rounds were all on the feet and she got slightly outlanded in each one. If she had clearly been the better striker, she'd have cleanly won more rounds than she lost out of those 4, but that didn't happen.

I still don't see how Val was fighting in the wrong division. Not counting what happened with Carmouche, she had never been beaten at BW and she fought there her entire career up until she lost to Nunes a second time. Other than Nunes, no one gave her any real trouble.

She goes from getting tds and having no issues against a big BW like Holly to losing to Nunes in what was basically a standing point fight, and then all of a sudden "she was always too small".

Just because she was winning does not mean her smaller size was not a disadvantage. She was able to overcome this against most - but not all fighters at 135, but that does not stop it from being a problem. Compare how she is doing when fighting women her own size.

If size was never a factor there would be no need for weight classes.

And yes, she had issues with Holly, including getting knocked on her ass in round 1. But when you combine Amanda's greater size along with the rest of her skills the sum total is too great. There is far more than a single variable in play here.
 
Dana doesn't need any help to look bad. That guy has lied beyond count on lots of things. Dana has no credibility whatsoever. Cyborgs team shouldn't have posted that vid but that's on them. Cyborg and the UFC never got along from way back in the Strikeforce days. They never wanted her and only kept her around so other promotions couldn't use her. After years of dominance she finally lost a fight then they were comfortable with letting her go. She fights an undefeated challenger as her last fight who the UFC hoped with all their might would beat her to and it didn't happen. Two fights later the Same girl is fighting Nunes for the belt and lost to her too. How anyone can defend the UFC on anything is beyond me. It's corrupt from top to bottom and has been ever since Zuffa bought it in 2001.

so cris having 1 fight left on her ufc deal picked to fight a can and leave an it the ufc fault?

cris could of resigned and already had the nunes rematchbut she knew that was to risky when bellator had leslie smith to offer instead. so it corrupt that zuffa paid cris to crush thosecans with invicta? cris made over 100k doing so. that why she didnt want to come to the ufc and fight ronda./

cris was always leaving that why she wore that fake tshirt and posted that video as part of her im the victim exit plan. the ufc play cris great money but now she wants to can crush into her retirement

i bet you blame this jon jones diva act on the ufc not the real person jon jones.
 
so cris having 1 fight left on her ufc deal picked to fight a can and leave an it the ufc fault?

cris could of resigned and already had the nunes rematchbut she knew that was to risky when bellator had leslie smith to offer instead. so it corrupt that zuffa paid cris to crush thosecans with invicta? cris made over 100k doing so. that why she didnt want to come to the ufc and fight ronda./

cris was always leaving that why she wore that fake tshirt and posted that video as part of her im the victim exit plan. the ufc play cris great money but now she wants to can crush into her retirement

i bet you blame this jon jones diva act on the ufc not the real person jon jones.
Is Spencer is a can then? If so that can fought Nunes for the title 2 fights later. So that would make nunes a can crusher as well. Cyborg wanted a rematch with Nunes but didn't want a long term deal with the UFC. She didn't want to work with them anymore and the UFC isn't going to let her fight Nunes on a one fight deal. Cyborg would've beat Rhonda no doubt in my mind. Rhonda and the UFC are the ones who were scared of that fight. As they should've been. If Cyborg had destroyed Rhonda kiss those PPV buys goodbye. Nunes beat Rhonda, Tate, Val, Holm and Cyborg and still isn't a draw. Bellator has a division for Cyborg and the UFC doesn't. Nunes is fighting 135'ers when defending both belts. All these statements are true.
 
Is Spencer is a can then? If so that can fought Nunes for the title 2 fights later. So that would make nunes a can crusher as well. Cyborg wanted a rematch with Nunes but didn't want a long term deal with the UFC. She didn't want to work with them anymore and the UFC isn't going to let her fight Nunes on a one fight deal. Cyborg would've beat Rhonda no doubt in my mind. Rhonda and the UFC are the ones who were scared of that fight. As they should've been. If Cyborg had destroyed Rhonda kiss those PPV buys goodbye. Nunes beat Rhonda, Tate, Val, Holm and Cyborg and still isn't a draw. Bellator has a division for Cyborg and the UFC doesn't. Nunes is fighting 135'ers when defending both belts. All these statements are true.

the saying is actions speak loader than words. so cris actions spoke loader than her wearking a fake tshirt to play the victim card. so it the ufc fault the ufc offered cris ronda but cris picked to cherry pick those invicta cans making ufc money?

cris wants less risky fights so why go 0-2 vs nunes when there leslie smith and julie budd. cris could of resigned but she ran to scott coker safe protecting arms.
 
Yeah, yeah I can. There's many hardcore fans who don't care for women's MMA at all. I don't have a problem with it but to say any weight class has a lot of depth is ridiculous. Hell some of the men's divisions don't have any depth either.

Some of them don't have depth, some do. 145 is so lacking that the UFC doesn't even have any fighters ranked on their page other than listing Nunes as champion. 115 is stacked and has a lot of depth.
 
According to Cyborg she's making more in Bellator. I don't really find that hard to believe for certain fighters.
That’s pure bullshit. As a UFC champion she was making alot of money including ppv money. If you believe Cyborg you’re a sucker. She’s just trying to save face. Come on, man.
 
Valentina is great, we both agree on that. Your arguing a little black and white when I am saying grey. Valentina could compete and probably beat most if not all at BW. Against the very best (Amanda), she had trouble with TDD. In the second fight Amanda used point fighting (leg kicks mostly) to build up a lead. Valentina oustruck Amanda to the head significantly. They created the division that Valentina naturally should fight at and that's where she's fighting. I was using an example of Andrade to show what could happen when fighting in the wrong division. She went from slamming everyone and beating the champ (arguably twice) to getting crucifixed. Valentina is special and so is Amanda. There is nobody for Valentina to fight and Amanda is running out of opponents. It doesn't seem like Amanda wants that fight. I agree that Valentina isn't campaigning hard enough for it. Dana seems like he wants to protect Amanda's legacy at this point. That's how I see it.

Good post. I agree with most of what you said.

Valentina could definitely beat everyone at BW easily with the exception of Nunes.

My point about Andrade is that she had no problems throwing people at BW, and she was way stronger than Chookagian as well at FLW. A girl of Val's skill is going to do what she did to her regardless of what weight class it was in or what Andrade should be in. That's all I meant by that.

I think there's still some interesting matchups for Val at FLW, but they're lower in the rankings still and she might give up waiting before they reach her.

I don't agree at all with your perspective on Dana protecting Nunes and Nunes not wanting it to be honest. Nunes isn't going to be afraid to fight a girl she beat twice, even if those fights were close. She stepped up and threw down with Cyborg, so I don't think she's afraid of anyone. She's never shown any hint at all of ducking or not wanting to face the biggest challenges she can.

And also, whether she wants the fight or not, she can't chase after it without looking like a bully and she knows that. Imagine how bad it would look if the BW and FW champ is calling out some girl from a weight class below her.

Nunes is in a shit situation because she can't make any moves herself without looking bad. If she calls Val out, she looks like a bully, but if she doesn't go after Val, people are just going to say she's afraid because she arguably lost the 2nd fight. And if she did call Val out and beat her, most people are going to say it was because she was just too big.

Meanwhile, Valentina can literally do whatever she wants and still come out looking better. Val does nothing and people will think its because Nunes is afraid, but if Val goes up and loses, it'll be because she was too small.

That's ridiculously unfair to Nunes.

And as for Dana, it makes no sense to protect Nunes at this point for any reason, especially not from someone like Valentina.

If anything, it's Val's legacy that is being protected by the UFC. She has two losses to Nunes. A third isn't going to snuff her out, but it would diminish her star power somewhat. Nunes's legacy is already secture, Val's isn't really.

It's very clear that Nunes is coming to the end of her career. She's flirting with retirement after every fight now and the challenges are drying up. Very soon there won't be any money to be made on Nunes, and when that time comes, she will be no use at all to Dana and the UFC. It's basic business to them. She won't be making them money so she has no purpose to them.

Meanwhile, Valentina looks to have more years left in her at this point. If you can swap a star that is about to go out for a brighter one, then that's what you do.
 
I don’t know how long Cyborg’s contract is with Bellator, but if the UFC could get her back, would she have a chance against Nunes at 145? I feel like she’s still out there, and the only contender at 145. How would their rematch go? Or even she just another girl to feed to Nunes at this point?
You know what? I'd be down to see that rematch.
 
They gotta run it back At some point. Also how would Shev vs Cybro at 135 go?
Shev is better except in strength, but thats a great equalizer.
 
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