Alternative Pyramid Theories

no fat chicks said:
I liked the water theory where they use tunnels of water to float the blocks
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This just took a lot of the mystery out of the pyramids for me. The way it is demonstrated in this video makes almost too much sense for it to NOT be pretty close to how they actually did it. Only thing that still gets me, is how they managed break off/quarry those huge chunks of rock. Sculpting them is difficult enough, but breaking off a huge chunk from a massive block would seem to take FOREVER.

Also, why the pyramids on every continent in the world? Some say a pyramid is the "obvious" choice everyone would choose when deciding to do something like this. I don't really agree. If it was me, I would probably just build a massive rectangular tall building.
 
IloveTHIS said:
This just took a lot of the mystery out of the pyramids for me. The way it is demonstrated in this video makes almost too much sense for it to NOT be pretty close to how they actually did it. Only thing that still gets me, is how they managed break off/quarry those huge chunks of rock. Sculpting them is difficult enough, but breaking off a huge chunk from a massive block would seem to take FOREVER.

Also, why the pyramids on every continent in the world? Some say a pyramid is the "obvious" choice everyone would choose when deciding to do something like this. I don't really agree. If it was me, I would probably just build a massive rectangular tall building.
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Look at the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Now imagine a more primitive people building something of similar stature. They may have tried building things straight up and down, and those things probably fell. Try tipping over a pyramid-like structure.
 
andnowweknow said:
That is not a picture of Yonaguni.
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fdswer said:
It was the Jews
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jgarner said:
The pyramids were built by skilled laborers. This is pretty well documented, and has tons of evidence to support it. It's not a fringe theory. If you think anything but that built the pyramids, you're probably not a smart man.
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Yup ; and a popular misconception is that slaves built the pyramids.
 
WandySaku2 said:
Look at the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Now imagine a more primitive people building something of similar stature. They may have tried building things straight up and down, and those things probably fell. Try tipping over a pyramid-like structure.
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The "pyramids are the obvious way you would build in a primitive time period" is almost as lazy and frankly dumb as the overkill hypothesis generated to explain the terminal pleistocene extinction in North America and Europe at the end of the last ice age. It's really just low hanging fruit regarding true historical head scratchers.

Fun fact, the Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacan has almost exactly the same 14 acre foot print as the Great pyramid at Giza and is half the height. Rather peculiar but not out of the realm of coincidence. The structure at Giza is frankly superior in every single metric including difficulty, complexity and accuracy (to an almost impossible to explain extent really).

Giza Height 481.3949 feet

Sun Pyramid Height 233.5 feet

Giza Perimeter 3023.16 feet

Sun Pyramid Perimeter 2932.8 feet

https://www.emis.de/journals/NNJ/Reynolds.html
 
andnowweknow said:
The "pyramids are the obvious way you would build in a primitive time period" is almost as lazy and frankly dumb as the overkill hypothesis generated to explain the terminal pleistocene extinction in North America and Europe at the end of the last ice age. It's really just low hanging fruit regarding true historical head scratchers.

Fun fact, the Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacan has almost exactly the same 14 acre foot print as the Great pyramid at Giza and is half the height. Rather peculiar but not out of the realm of coincidence. The structure at Giza is frankly superior in every single metric including difficulty, complexity and accuracy (to an almost impossible to explain extent really).

Giza Height 481.3949 feet

Sun Pyramid Height 233.5 feet

Giza Perimeter 3023.16 feet

Sun Pyramid Perimeter 2932.8 feet

https://www.emis.de/journals/NNJ/Reynolds.html
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You say lazy, I say simple. You can't deny that the simplest way to build a large, tall building is to build a big, stable base and then keep building more big, stable bases on top of it until there's no more room. Like the person I quoted said, why not just build a tall rectangular building if they could? It's going to have more space and be just as, if not more impressive.

I'm on your side. I think the pyramids are amazing works of engineering, but I don't let that get in the way of common sense. I don't think the shape is of much importance. Whoever built them had a goal, and they worked with what they knew and had.

...and like your Pleistocene analogy, if newer evidence comes out that there's more to the reasoning for the pyramid shape beyond stability, I'm all ears, but until then Occam's Razor.
 
IloveTHIS said:
This just took a lot of the mystery out of the pyramids for me. The way it is demonstrated in this video makes almost too much sense for it to NOT be pretty close to how they actually did it. Only thing that still gets me, is how they managed break off/quarry those huge chunks of rock. Sculpting them is difficult enough, but breaking off a huge chunk from a massive block would seem to take FOREVER.

Also, why the pyramids on every continent in the world? Some say a pyramid is the "obvious" choice everyone would choose when deciding to do something like this. I don't really agree. If it was me, I would probably just build a massive rectangular tall building.
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I assume that used some type of sawing technique for that using water and some sort of friction technique. It certainly would take a while, but if it's all you did all day, I'm sure a group of experienced guys could work out a technique that produces pretty fast results.

I remember as a kid always hearing these crazy reasons why the Egyptian couldn't have built the pyramids, but as i get older and learn more about building, they seem fully capable of building them. It's an easy structure from a stability stand point. You don't get more stable than a pyramid. The material was in the area and they sure heck had plenty of people to do the manual labor.

I'm sure slavery existed there. I'm not so sure a horde of Jewish slaves did it. Seems more like they paid cheap labor to do it. What else you gonna do in the desert back then?
 
WandySaku2 said:
You say lazy, I say simple. You can't deny that the simplest way to build a large, tall building is to build a big, stable base and then keep building more big, stable bases on top of it until there's no more room. Like the person I quoted said, why not just build a tall rectangular building if they could? It's going to have more space and be just as, if not more impressive.

I'm on your side. I think the pyramids are amazing works of engineering, but I don't let that get in the way of common sense. I don't think the shape is of much importance. Whoever built them had a goal, and they worked with what they knew and had.

...and like your Pleistocene analogy, if newer evidence comes out that there's more to the reasoning for the pyramid shape beyond stability, I'm all ears, but until then Occam's Razor.
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Your reasoning likely makes sense for many examples. The problem with what you are saying regarding the Khufu Pyramid at Giza is that whoever built it could have easily built whatever shape they wanted, but they chose the pyramid shape for purpose, not ease of construction.

We're talking about a monument that is 3/60ths of a degree off of true north. For perspective, the Greenwich Observatory deviates by 9/60ths of a degree. Let that sink in...These were master architects who achieved something that would be extremely difficult for us to replicate today even with modern equipment. Of course we could, but it would be the most expensive and time consuming venture on one structure ever recorded.

Everything done regarding the construction had a precise purpose. Strength of structure may have been one of the purposes, it has stood the test of time better than any other k ow structure before or after...But nothing was done at that site because they weren't capable of achieving essentially whatever they wanted.
 
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Once current civilization dies out, almost all of our buildings, cars, houses and everything will completely decay and there will be very few traces we were ever here. Mount Rushmore will be like our version of the Sphinx and future ppl will puzzle over it.



But the pyramids will STILL be here :eek:
 
andnowweknow said:
Your reasoning likely makes sense for many examples. The problem with what you are saying regarding the Khufu Pyramid at Giza is that whoever built it could have easily built whatever shape they wanted, but they chose the pyramid shape for purpose, not ease of construction.

We're talking about a monument that is 3/60ths of a degree off of true north. For perspective, the Greenwich Observatory deviates by 9/60ths of a degree. Let that sink in...These were master architects who achieved something that would be extremely difficult for us to replicate today even with modern equipment. Of course we could, but it would be the most expensive and time consuming venture on one structure ever recorded.

Everything done regarding the construction had a precise purpose. Strength of structure may have been one of the purposes, it has stood the test of time better than any other k ow structure before or after...But nothing was done at that site because they weren't capable of achieving essentially whatever they wanted.
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You keep saying that like they weren't capable of making precise measurements. A little math and the ability to make straight lines and circles is all you need to manage that task.
 
jgarner said:
You keep saying that like they weren't capable of making precise measurements. A little math and the ability to make straight lines and circles is all you need to manage that task.
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I don't think you understand what it takes to align a 14 acre footprint object to that sort of precision. The fact that you are using some simplistic logic as above proves that. The reason we don't align stuff to such precision today is because it is REALLY fucking hard to do on large scale projects, like inordinately hard to the point it would require a completely different level of caretaking in the construction build up and process.

I never said they weren't capable of making precise measurements, you're acting like this isn't some complete mind fuck oddity and that it's completely no big deal to do what was done on this construction...are you opposed to anything in the orthodox reconstruction of how and when the stuff on Giza was created (IE, built by Khufu as a tomb around 2600 BC?).
 
andnowweknow said:
I don't think you understand what it takes to align a 14 acre footprint object to that sort of precision. The fact that you are using some simplistic logic as above proves that. The reason we don't align stuff to such precision today is because it is REALLY fucking hard to do on large scale projects, like inordinately hard to the point it would require a completely different level of caretaking in the construction build up and process.

I never said they weren't capable of making precise measurements, you're acting like this isn't some complete mind fuck oddity and that it's completely no big deal to do what was done on this construction...are you opposed to anything in the orthodox reconstruction of how and when the stuff on Giza was created (IE, built by Khufu as a tomb around 2600 BC?).
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That guy is a troll bro. He does this crap in every thread.
 
andnowweknow said:
I don't think you understand what it takes to align a 14 acre footprint object to that sort of precision. The fact that you are using some simplistic logic as above proves that. The reason we don't align stuff to such precision today is because it is REALLY fucking hard to do on large scale projects, like inordinately hard to the point it would require a completely different level of caretaking in the construction build up and process.

I never said they weren't capable of making precise measurements, you're acting like this isn't some complete mind fuck oddity and that it's completely no big deal to do what was done on this construction...are you opposed to anything in the orthodox reconstruction of how and when the stuff on Giza was created (IE, built by Khufu as a tomb around 2600 BC?).
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I'm an engineer who works in the construction field. I know what it takes to align something large. Basic surveying isn't that complicated when you have time and resources to do it right.

andnowweknow said:
@jgarner can troll a little if he wants (even though I don't think he really is, I just don't think he understands this topic), he got trolled by a boatload of people in his 9/11 thread.
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I've been known to engage a troll just as everyone else has who's been around long enough. I fully understand the basics of building a structure as it's my job. I'm not trolling. The fact that those buildings stand there is a testament to the fact that they did it. Unless you and @andnowweknow have some sort of proof that they didn't do it?

I mean the arrogance to say that I don't know what I'm talking about when someone is suggesting what? That some metaphysical being helped them align the pyramids? If you're not saying that, then clearly Egyptians built the damned things.
 
jgarner said:
I'm an engineer who works in the construction field. I know what it takes to align something large. Basic surveying isn't that complicated when you have time and resources to do it right.



I've been known to engage a troll just as everyone else has who's been around long enough. I fully understand the basics of building a structure as it's my job. I'm not trolling. The fact that those buildings stand there is a testament to the fact that they did it. Unless you and @andnowweknow have some sort of proof that they didn't do it?

I mean the arrogance to say that I don't know what I'm talking about when someone is suggesting what? That some metaphysical being helped them align the pyramids? If you're not saying that, then clearly Egyptians built the damned things.
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I never said anything remotely like that, and im not sure anyone in this thread has seriously suggested anything but human beings built the structures on the plateau at Giza.

Answer me this, since you're an engineer (and hopefully capable of some plain logic)...Why does the Greenwich Observatory, which was specifically cardinally aligned, deviate more from true north than Khufu's pyramid that was made by people who supposedly didn't have the wheel? It's simple stuff, right?
 
NHB7 said:
Why does it taking 20 years to build make you throw it out? Cathedrals in England took just as long to build.
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Lool there are cathedrals that took 200 yrs to build, let alone 20
 
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