Alternative Pyramid Theories

[BearGrounds]

It's funny how you're willing to type paragraphs for over ten pages of conversation, but when I present a single page of math to show how it was possible with the resources they had you decide you no longer want to debate. It's funny how convenient that is.

From your own link.

Since Khufu's pyramid was the first where a lot of granite was used, Franz Löhner thinks, that iron tools were used, not as the accepted doctrine suggests copper tools. Copper tools can be used for limestones for certain purposes, but they wear down much to quickly to be of any use with the hard granite.

 

[andnowweknow]

From your own link.

It's simple math bro!

 

[DoomPatrol]

You don't have to keep telling me you have a degree, I know you don't so we can just move on from that. I'm starting to wonder if you have any friends at this point. Not sure on that front but I'm leaning towards no for the time being. Let's see if we can change the course of things, eh?

I have plenty of friends, you just wouldn't be one of them. I mentioned my degree once, and you questioned it like ten times. So if you'd stop bringing it up, I'd stop telling you that you're wrong. I brought forth math that shows how they could have completed it in that time frame and you decided to ignore me and start posting stupid memes instead. If you had something that was founded in reality you could have easily shown why it was wrong. Instead you want to go back to hyperbole.

I've been the one backing up my statements, you haven't.
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No, you haven't psycho. You make outlandish claims with no basis in fact and ignore me when I post something that you can't explain. Like how you said current technology couldn't move those stones and I immediately showed you were wrong. You remind me of a child screaming no to his parents.

From your own link.

Right, but that only means they probably didn't use those tools. The current theory is using wood expansion and other methods to fracture the limestone. There's a difference in using something else that would be reasonable for their time period and them having forgotten amazing technology.

 

[Nononononotorious]

I have plenty of friends, you just wouldn't be one of them. I mentioned my degree once, and you questioned it like ten times. So if you'd stop bringing it up, I'd stop telling you that you're wrong. I brought forth math that shows how they could have completed it in that time frame and you decided to ignore me and start posting stupid memes instead. If you had something that was founded in reality you could have easily shown why it was wrong. Instead you want to go back to hyperbole.




No, you haven't psycho. You make outlandish claims with no basis in fact and ignore me when I post something that you can't explain. Like how you said current technology couldn't move those stones and I immediately showed you were wrong. You remind me of a child screaming no to his parents.



Right, but that only means they probably didn't use those tools. The current theory is using wood expansion and other methods to fracture the limestone. There's a difference in using something else that would be reasonable for their time period and them having forgotten amazing technology.

 

[DoomPatrol]

This is you @Nononononotorious

This is you and @andnowweknow

You guys are great at hyperbole and not so great at science and reason.

 

[Nononononotorious]

This is you @Nononononotorious

This is you and @andnowweknow

You guys are great at hyperbole and not so great at science and reason.

 

[PubliusVentidius]

jgarner, kudos for being the only bastion of sanity in a topic swarmed with ''i want to believe'' uneducated morons. Don't get too worked up tho, it's sadly just a byproduct of the era of widespread Internet access: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/post-fact

 

[DoomPatrol]

jgarner, kudos for being the only bastion of sanity in a topic swarmed with ''i want to believe'' uneducated morons. Don't get too worked up tho, it's sadly just a byproduct of this era of widespread Internet access: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/post-fact

I don't ever take it personal or anything like that. Any harsh posts are left in the thread. I'm just sad that there's so many people with silly beliefs in today's world. With all the science and proof floating around for real things, I just don't see why people need to dive into fantasy. I'm constantly in awe of the real world around us. I don't need to make up wild stories to find entertainment and wonder. We've put people on the moon and we're going to Mars soon. We've got instant communication across the planet and the ability to film anything at insane resolutions. The access to nature for the common person is at a level never seen before. Only a generation ago, people would likely never see some of the most wonderful things our world has to offer. Today, anyone can go online and see whatever interests them.

 

[andnowweknow]

jgarner, kudos for being the only bastion of sanity in a topic swarmed with ''i want to believe'' uneducated morons. Don't get too worked up tho, it's sadly just a byproduct of the internet 2.0: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/post-fact

that...or actually understanding the topic at hand, which if you read his posts, clearly isn't the case. He's literally citing things that are antithetical to the points he's making, which is rather counterproductive.

 

[andnowweknow]

I don't ever take it personal or anything like that. Any harsh posts are left in the thread. I'm just sad that there's so many people with silly beliefs in today's world. With all the science and proof floating around for real things, I just don't see why people need to dive into fantasy. I'm constantly in awe of the real world around us. I don't need to make up wild stories to find entertainment and wonder.

If this were the case, why do you believe it was a tomb for a megalomaniac pharoah?

 

[DoomPatrol]

If this were the case, why do you believe it was a tomb for a megalomaniac pharoah?

Where did you come up with that? I've never made a single claim regarding what I think the pyramids were built for. If you want to know what I think, you can just ask.

It would be cool if you'd first go through the link I provided and show me why that math doesn't work like I've asked. You've spent so much time with hyperbolic language and posting useless shit, I just don't see why you refuse to do it. It's almost like you can't back up the monkey shit you've been slinging on this thread.

Oh and what have I said that's "antithetical to the points I'm making"? I'll wait.

 

[andnowweknow]

Where did you come up with that? I've never made a single claim regarding what I think the pyramids were built for. If you want to know what I think, you can just ask.

It would be cool if you'd first go through the link I provided and show me why that math doesn't work like I've asked. You've spent so much time with hyperbolic language and posting useless shit, I just don't see why you refuse to do it. It's almost like you can't back up the monkey shit you've been slinging on this thread.

Oh and what have I said that's "antithetical to the points I'm making"? I'll wait.

see @BearGrounds post #361, it specifically describes tools necessary OUTSIDE THE TOOL RECORD.

What do you think the Great Pyramid was built for or as? I assumed that since your POV is solely derived from Egyptological orthodoxy that you would agree with their main tenet of the entire theory on the pyramid which is that it was built as a TOMB for Khufu. The entire process of dating the thing relies on it being a tomb, including how long it took to build (20 years is derived from the approximate lifetime of Khufu, literally nothing else). You actually almost have no choice but to say that at this point because all the other nonsense you are saying revolves around iti being a TOMB.

 

[RIPWarrior]

jgarner, kudos for being the only bastion of sanity in a topic swarmed with ''i want to believe'' uneducated morons. Don't get too worked up tho, it's sadly just a byproduct of the era of widespread Internet access: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/post-fact

Have you even looked at all the different megalithic sites and their locations and the difficulty involved with moving stones around in places like machu picchu ? The time it would take to construct these sites? It's quite clear that primitive man built upon these ancient obliterated structures.

 

[BearGrounds]

Right, but that only means they probably didn't use those tools. The current theory is using wood expansion and other methods to fracture the limestone. There's a difference in using something else that would be reasonable for their time period and them having forgotten amazing technology.

Again, from your own link (much of which you clearly haven't read).

As a young men I worked in a granite quarry in Germany for several years, so I have an intimate knowledge of stones and tools. First I just laughed, when I read about copper tools being used in splitting and cutting granite and copper saws to saw through them. I then thought - that theory will soon be refuted, they just have to try it out with some granite and they will know straight away. This theory has persevered though and so I decided to build the copper tools described by Goyon [1] (these tools are still suggested today by Egyptologists) and determine to what degree the stone would be worn down and to what degree the tools deform.

1. Sawing granite with copper saws:
First I experimented with copper saws made from copper sheets of different thickness. I used soft, half soft and hardened copper sheets and made saw blades with different teeth (wavy, small teeth, large teeth). Then I tried to saw granite, it didn't work, the copper deformed. As an abrading medium I added quartz sand, then Corundum (a gem with a hardness on Mohs scale of 9) and even steel sand (made from steel grit and used to cut through concrete). But even after hours of work barley a scratch was visible on the surface of the granite block. In the same time and with the same effort I surely would have managed to split two or three blocks of granite if using the appropriate tools, ergo iron tools!

2. Drilling with a bow drill and copper bits:
Of course I also experimented with drilling. I built a simple Egyptian bow drill, as shown on several illustrations. After some experimenting I managed to find the right material for the sinew and determined the right tension to use. I used different wooden rods and even copper rods and also used different types of sand and mud. I added water, water and oil, milk and whey to emulsify the sands and prevent the drill bits from heating up too much. But as much as I tried, I didn't accomplish more than a slightly colored spot on the surface of the granite. Only when I changed to a chisel made from steel I managed to drill a couple holes into the granite.

3. Splitting granite with wedges:
I decided to try out an other technique attributed to the Egyptians - using wooden wedges soaked with water to cause the wood to swell and split the rock. I drilled holes and then put in dry wooden wedges and poured water on them so they would swell. But the wooden wedges didn't expand enough and didn't generate enough force to split the stone apart.

Congrats on becoming (unwittingly) the supporter of an alternative theory, as your math is based on one.

 

[BearGrounds]

jgarner, kudos for being the only bastion of sanity in a topic swarmed with ''i want to believe'' uneducated morons. Don't get too worked up tho, it's sadly just a byproduct of the era of widespread Internet access: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/post-fact

Lol you're as big a lembeck as he is if you're willing to cosign the ignorance he's so boldly displayed here. The dipshit puffed his chest out about math he didn't even know was based on a theory that's at odds with established Egyptology. He, and apparently you now, are the uneducated morons in attendance. Congrats on that.

 

[RIPWarrior]

Compare the precisely cut stone structures and artifacts in Egypt to the ones found in south America. It is obvious these structures were there before primitive man showed up.

 

[RIPWarrior]

Here's a perfect example of primitive man trying to copy the insanely precise stone work of the obliterated ancient structures found around the world. They even tried to copy the funny knobs. you can tell the Incas, like the Egyptians were influenced by these megalithic structures.

 

[Agent Mulder's Hair]

jgarner, kudos for being the only bastion of sanity in a topic swarmed with ''i want to believe'' uneducated morons. Don't get too worked up tho, it's sadly just a byproduct of the era of widespread Internet access: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/post-fact

U clearly haven't read many of jgarners posts itt

U probably should

 

[andnowweknow]

Again, from your own link (much of which you clearly haven't read).



Congrats on becoming (unwittingly) the supporter of an alternative theory, as your math is based on one.

Crushed. Or as we old timers used to say "pwnt".

 

[andnowweknow]

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Here's a perfect example of primitive man trying to copy the insanely precise stone work of the obliterated ancient structures found around the world. They even tried to copy the funny knobs. you can tell the Incas, like the Egyptians were influenced by these megalithic structures.

I find the knobs intriguing. On the stone itself, my instinct tells me that of course these stone blocks would have been accompanied by wood/metals and all other sorts of perishable implements...but I can't shake wondering how routine or easy the stone working process must have been to do it so liberally all over the world. If the assumption is that it was modern humans just like us (it most certainly was) and if they functioned similar to us in terms of our motivations (human motivation to solve problems practically and efficiently) then they must have had a simple way of doing the work, which is in and of itself puzzling given the weights, distances and precision shown. There is just no logical reason to use stone in this way unless it was relatively easy and convenient.

I sometimes wonder if they had a fundamentally different set of technology that wasnt necessarily more advanced than ours on the whole but was a different track of understanding on manipulation of basic elements. They may have been pre 20th century advanced or less in general but it seems obvious that on some level they had some abilities that we just haven't explored properly until now. Just seems a totally different lineage of technology, a totally different path.