Pushing straight forward of pulling straight back = will never work, for ANY takedown, against anyone even half decent.
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I dunno how useful of a framing this is. A lot of techniques are inherently 'angled' since one leg or the other is first, but it is technique specific and often a side effect rather than a prerequisite.
Jordan Burrows power doubles on Ben are pretty damn square.
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It was slick, but so were a whole bunch of straight down the center takedowns in the video. And ankle picks are often effective with no angle.6:47 - beautiful angle cut after he was in on the leg = to finish the takedown.
Oh look. He appeared. So buddy. Explain to me. As a person who did include angles in his instruction to wrestlers... yesterday morning. We were working on elbow offs and elbow passes.6:47 - beautiful angle cut after he was in on the leg = to finish the takedown.
What’s sad is that he’s grasped a good concept. But he is making a classic mistake of trying to make it the holy grail and pretend it’s the secret sauce. Which is a 12 year old way of looking at anything complex. In addition to his hubris and arrogance.Ordinarily, one would find guys like this on gamefaqs flaming over their interpretation of sonic the hedgehog lore. It just so happens, as a matter of historical contingency, that he is here using grappling as a vehicle for expressing this kind of spergmatic oneupsmanship, instead.
2:35 - single leg that drove Askren off the stage - clearly shot in at an angle.
3:35 - when Boroughs landed that shot, he shot in straight after a level change, pretty standard for double legs - he finished by running through him, arguably that was a vertical angle.
Continuing - every time he uses the clubs to Askren, he uses them to switch out his angle to the left or right;
Every. Time.
As the commentator notes, "clubs one way, goes the other....".
Uses lovely wrist locks to short arm drags into level changes.
4:27 - level change to double to lift. A level change is essentially again, a vertical angle.
Even finishing that dump, brings him down to the side = an angle.
Coming to the end of the first using nice circling footwork left and right, looking for that angle.
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6:45 - ankle pick finished at an angle as noted above.
And that's a wrap.
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If ya'll aren't acknowledging that essentially everything he's doing is angle work.... I don't know what to tell you.....
Oh look. He appeared. So buddy. Explain to me. As a person who did include angles in his instruction to wrestlers... yesterday morning. We were working on elbow offs and elbow passes.
In your “superior way” of teaching. How shall you take someone who has never wrestled before. And teach them how to be superior and use “angles” to teach takedowns.. without doing all that outdated step by step instruction.. I’m genuinely curious.
Your comment about “straight on never working on anyone good”.. will just go understood as the same kind of comment as someone saying headlock are junk moves. Incorrect and incomplete
For me, to demonstrate angle work, easiest explanation is the simplest most intuitive takedown;
Bodylock.
Khabib and that mob from teh caucuses use them to dominate constantly.
In, chest to chest - direction of power meeting opponents direction of power.
= neutralize each other.
Wrestler A steps "around" his opponent whilst maintaining the body lock
= wrestler B's direction of power now by passing wrestler A's, whilst wrestler A maintain his straight on direction (thus full power) directly into wrestler B.
And then simply turn/twist to finish, i.e. an angle, on top of an angle,
As per,
Smooth, effortless flow.
A pleasure to watch.
The chess match is using footwork and grips and hold to get into the angle position, but ensuring wrestlers understand that is the end goal = the entire purpose of wrestling.
Once that's down, then separate instruction can be given to rookie wrestlers on footwork, arm drags, russian tie's, all the grips etc.
2:35 - single leg that drove Askren off the stage - clearly shot in at an angle.
3:35 - when Boroughs landed that shot, he shot in straight after a level change, pretty standard for double legs - he finished by running through him, arguably that was a vertical angle.
Continuing - every time he uses the clubs to Askren, he uses them to switch out his angle to the left or right;
Every. Time.
As the commentator notes, "clubs one way, goes the other....".
Uses lovely wrist locks to short arm drags into level changes.
4:27 - level change to double to lift. A level change is essentially again, a vertical angle.
Even finishing that dump, brings him down to the side = an angle.
Coming to the end of the first using nice circling footwork left and right, looking for that angle.
**
6:45 - ankle pick finished at an angle as noted above.
And that's a wrap.
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If ya'll aren't acknowledging that essentially everything he's doing is angle work.... I don't know what to tell you.....
and finally. How much have you actually wrestled competitively? And how much have you coached? Or actually even tried this method? Direct answer please.
See I do things differently with my team than a lot of wrestling coaches... I actually tried them out first before stating I had a better different way. You also keep making the assumption all wrestling coaches coach the same.
and don’t avoid my direct question on experience. Otherwise you’ll prove my point
How are your resultsI've wrestled for 10+ years.
I started coaching 2 years ago.
I know the bog standard coaching methods used in most schools.
Forget one coach to the next, it's the principle of wrestling coaching but I've said enough already.
More than enough.
Ya'll are beyond my help, at least by way of an internet forum.
For those who've read, understand, and hopefully use it to improve themselves or others - may the wrestling Gods be with you.
Those who can't see the light, good luck also but, I know the form of luck will be less successful.
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Last thought I'll leave you with is - ya'll argued to the death in the "heel hook" thread, and now that my point is conclusively proven, not a peep out of anyone.
God speed.
So you wrestled youth and Hs. And have been helping the local Hs as an assistant? Because it more so sounds like your frustrated with not being in charge and being allowed to do things the way YOU want to do them. So you’re saying things to us you wish you could say to the head coach.I've wrestled for 10+ years.
I started coaching 2 years ago.
I know the bog standard coaching methods used in most schools.
Forget one coach to the next, it's the principle of wrestling coaching but I've said enough already.
More than enough.
Ya'll are beyond my help, at least by way of an internet forum.
For those who've read, understand, and hopefully use it to improve themselves or others - may the wrestling Gods be with you.
Those who can't see the light, good luck also but, I know the form of luck will be less successful.
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Last thought I'll leave you with is - ya'll argued to the death in the "heel hook" thread, and now that my point is conclusively proven, not a peep out of anyone.
God speed.