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MusterX said:
Well, if we find the aliens that are seeking Johnny B. Goode then we might be alright, but yea, I'm not buying into this idea that there are no predators lying in wait. That pretty much violates every law of nature we have ever known. I would prefer not to be sitting here watching Honey Boo Boo eat butter and sketti when they arrive. :icon_lol:
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We're not in a dense part of our own galaxy. You are worrying a bit too much about hostility from extra terrestrials.
 
Gene Tunney said:
Perhaps we are out here in the middle of nowhere for a reason. Perhaps it is going to take a few hundred thousand years of society building before we, as a society, will be ready for the truth regarding aliens. Humanity has progressed very far in a few thousand years. But we are at the very beginning of the consciousness spectrum, and likely will not be encountering alien cultures, if they exist, for a long long time. Certainly not in our lifetimes.
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We need to get off planet and establish a presence elsewhere whether Mars or the moon or whatever in order to ensure our progress.

It should disturb everyone that we are currently in the longest period of interglacial warmth in the last 200k year...basically since modern humans have been around. We don't know exactly what starts or ends ice ages...but its clear whatever it is ain't pretty, probably a result of a massive natural catastrophe.

I don't know how long its gonna take for us to become immune to impact events and the like but I'd say a few hundred years at least. Immunity for us means preservation of all knowledge and picking up where we left off if shit does hit the fan...and that means going off world basically.

In short, we don't have a few hundred thousand years to work it out.
 
MARTIAN said:
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Venus's rotation is so slow that a day on Venus lasts longer than it's year. It takes 243 Earth days to fully rotate, while its only takes 224 earth days to complete its orbit.

It has has the most circular orbit of any planet in our solar system
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Venus' rotation is actually slowing down, meaning it will eventually reverse. It's the only planet in the solar system rotating the opposite direction of all other planets (retrograde), which is what leads some scientists out there to believe it's somewhat of a newcomer to the solar system in general. How new is anyone's guess, but people do have guesses. Some scientists believe maybe it just flipped it's axis at some point...however the f that happens. Not sure which theory is weirder honestly.
 
This had me tripping out listening yesterday. Neptune is really eerie sounding.

 
andnowweknow said:
We need to get off planet and establish a presence elsewhere whether Mars or the moon or whatever in order to ensure our progress.

It should disturb everyone that we are currently in the longest period of interglacial warmth in the last 200k year...basically since modern humans have been around. We don't know exactly what starts or ends ice ages...but its clear whatever it is ain't pretty, probably a result of a massive natural catastrophe.

I don't know how long its gonna take for us to become immune to impact events and the like but I'd say a few hundred years at least. Immunity for us means preservation of all knowledge and picking up where we left off if shit does hit the fan...and that means going off world basically.

In short, we don't have a few hundred thousand years to work it out.
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How are we going to stop super volcanoes, bio-engineered super bugs, nuclear weapons, and a host of other things that pretty much ensure that civilization is going to collapse sooner or later? There is no avoiding it. If we don't kill each other then some other event will at the least kill enough of us to end civilization as we know it. There is absolutely 100% no way around it.
 
andnowweknow said:
Venus' rotation is actually slowing down, meaning it will eventually reverse. It's the only planet in the solar system rotating the opposite direction of all other planets (retrograde), which is what leads some scientists out there to believe it's somewhat of a newcomer to the solar system in general. How new is anyone's guess, but people do have guesses. Some scientists believe maybe it just flipped it's axis at some point...however the f that happens. Not sure which theory is weirder honestly.
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Very interesting. I didn't know that.
 
andnowweknow said:
Venus' rotation is actually slowing down, meaning it will eventually reverse. It's the only planet in the solar system rotating the opposite direction of all other planets (retrograde), which is what leads some scientists out there to believe it's somewhat of a newcomer to the solar system in general. How new is anyone's guess, but people do have guesses. Some scientists believe maybe it just flipped it's axis at some point...however the f that happens. Not sure which theory is weirder honestly.
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We know the earth has had geomagnetic pole shifts where they flipped and change poles as well as actual pole shift hypothesis for earth. To what extent these events have occurred is relatively unknown but its not just Venus. We think this sort of stuff has happened on earth and will happen again.

The cataclysmic pole shift hypothesis suggests that there have been geologically rapid shifts in the relative positions of the modern-day geographic locations of the poles and the axis of rotation of the Earth, creating calamities such as floods and tectonic events.[1]

There is evidence of precession and changes in axial tilt, but this change is on much longer time-scales and does not involve relative motion of the spin axis with respect to the planet. However, in what is known as true polar wander, the solid Earth can rotate with respect to a fixed spin axis. Research shows that during the last 200 million years a total true polar wander of some 30
 
andnowweknow said:
We're not in a dense part of our own galaxy. You are worrying a bit too much about hostility from extra terrestrials.
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I just hope that FTL travel is in fact impossible. That would be nice.
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
On the universal scale (which may be infinite) majority of things are peanuts...if not everything.

But for about 100 years of radio waves - 70 lightyears is a pretty good reach.
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well if it has been 100 years, then it would be 100 light years. just saying, shit is minuscule
 
kurtwpg said:
I just hope that FTL travel is in fact impossible. That would be nice.
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Scientists love using their imaginations. Sometimes that's how we discover new things. I also think sometimes we believe that we can do anything given enough time, but is that accurate? Can we do anything given enough time? Even trying to go 90% of the speed of light is an exercise in futility. Even if we could go the speed of light where would we go? Even just within our own galaxy, the Milky Way is 80,000 light years wide. Its 80,000 light years wide....

At the speed of light and traveling for 1000 years we would move one eightieth of the diameter of our galaxy. We would move about a centimeter on the map. :eek: The distances are so ridiculous that I am not ashamed to admit that I can't even process effectively what those distances mean or what they would be like.

So that leaves us with the possibility of doing things like opening and manipulating wormholes to bend time and space. So now we are back to my first question. Is it realistic to believe that man can do anything given enough time?
 
MusterX said:
Scientists love using their imaginations. Sometimes that's how we discover new things. I also think sometimes we believe that we can do anything given enough time, but is that accurate? Can we do anything given enough time? Even trying to go 90% of the speed of light is an exercise in futility. Even if we could go the speed of light where would we go? Even just within our own galaxy, the Milky Way is 80,000 light years wide. Its 80,000 light years wide....

At the speed of light and traveling for 1000 years we would move one eightieth of the diameter of our galaxy. We would move about a centimeter on the map. :eek: The distances are so ridiculous that I am not ashamed to admit that I can't even process effectively what those distances mean or what they would be like.

So that leaves us with the possibility of doing things like opening and manipulating wormholes to bend time and space. So now we are back to my first question. Is it realistic to believe that man can do anything given enough time?
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No. The laws of physics are the laws. We just don't know them entirely yet, therein lies the mystery.

A lack of FTL travel would bode much better for our survival as a species.
 
I wonder what the world would be like today if the space race never ended?

NASA had a road map for the future and in the 70s, there was going to be a permanent moon base to be used as a launching pad to visit other planets and asteroids. In the 80s, the first manned Mars mission and then a permanent base.

When Nixon came into office, we had already beaten the Russians, the public didn't care about space anymore and NASA's budget and future plans were axed.

It just goes to show what human beings are capable of given a goal but it also shows the fickle nature of society and how war and funding killed our space ambitions.

I want my moon apartment, dammnit.
 
So how about that New Horizons probe that's just getting into range around Pluto? I had no clue that was happening until Yahoo reported it. I find it to be pretty exciting that we are about yo get up close and personal with Pluto.

And did anyone see the article about the former NASA employee stating that she saw two figures in space suits walking across the surface of Mars when we had the Viking Lander was there in 1979? Thoughts?
 
DrFapper said:
So how about that New Horizons probe that's just getting into range around Pluto? I had no clue that was happening until Yahoo reported it. I find it to be pretty exciting that we are about yo get up close and personal with Pluto.

And did anyone see the article about the former NASA employee stating that she saw two figures in space suits walking across the surface of Mars when we had the Viking Lander was there in 1979? Thoughts?
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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nasa-work...manned-mission-to-mars-in-1979-123031256.html
 
MusterX said:
So that leaves us with the possibility of doing things like opening and manipulating wormholes to bend time and space. So now we are back to my first question. Is it realistic to believe that man can do anything given enough time?
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Nope.

Like most people, I used to think "yes" but I once heard Noam Chomsky say something that made me think otherwise. It was something like, "If we accept that humans are organic creatures and organisms have limitations, then we must believe that human understanding and ability have limits. If we're angels or some other supernatural beings, then we have no limits."

Broke my heart but made total sense. We should always strive to continually achieve and discover more and more, but the limits do exist.
 
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