Ali is on the grill!’ Israeli settlers celebrate burning of Palestinian baby

[abiG]

Anyone who supports Palestine over Israel isn't genuinely horrified by terrorism, or the lack of public remorse over unconscionable acts of violence.

I have to go back to this because I don't recall Palestinians bombing US targets. That was Israel. I also don't recall Palestinian spies running wild in America. I certainly don't remember 200 of their spies rounded up in relation to 9/11 and then released. That was the Israelis too. I also can't recall Palestinians stealing our nuclear tech, creating their own secret arsenal and then selling our stolen secrets and nuclear material to countries such as China, South Africa, let alone our sworn enemy at the time, the evil Russians. Again, that was done by the Israelis.

Here's a recent one. Same media outlet, same author, both just a few weeks apart:

America separating adults and children at the border (even though the reasons for doing this are obvious) - bad, must be stopped.

Israel killing people at their border, many of whom are unarmed women and children, journalists, aid workers and medics - not only is this OK, it's an obligation.

The media is full of examples like this and the agenda and double standards should be obvious.

Thank-you! For the obvious!

I have pointed this out a few times and I get silence coupled with "I don't believe you're a Jew." The fucking hypocrisy is both astounding and completely idiotic at the same time.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Sadat fucked over the Syrians. The Egyptians and Syrians had a joint offensive to take back their land in 73 and increase the bargaining power of the Arabs but then Sadat broke ranks and made his own deal leaving the Syrians high and dry. Just one other reason why Sadat was a shit successor to Nasser.

To be fair to Sadat, Egypt was in a very precarious military position in '73. The bulk of their best trained and equipped forces were surrounded and cut off and nothing but Russian threats were holding Israeli tanks from driving to Cairo. The Egyptians won the initial battle but lost the war badly. Sadat made a separate peace because he had no other choice.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

So I guess they used a grill because putting people in the ovens is still a sore subject?

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

A year later, 13 people from what became known as the “murder wedding” were indicted for incitement to terrorism.

Good. The radical settlers do not act entirely with impunity. If they are celebrating the death of an infant or small child, then they have lost their humanity and undercut any chance of peace.

 

[Islam Imamate]

To be fair to Sadat, Egypt was in a very precarious military position in '73. The bulk of their best trained and equipped forces were surrounded and cut off and nothing but Russian threats were holding Israeli tanks from driving to Cairo. The Egyptians won the initial battle but lost the war badly. Sadat made a separate peace because he had no other choice.

I highly doubt the Israelis would ever overreach like that. And it was still a bitch move to ask the Syrians to help you with the war only to turn around and make your separate peace and leave them on their own like that. That and the "opening" to the West(i.e. making a few Egyptians rich at the expense of the masses) is why I think he's an overrated dirtbag.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Stories like these almost make you think there was a reason Jews were chased out of 109 countries. Then you realise they were all just anti-Semites. The Jews have bought us great things like interracial porn, communism, and predatory lending. I'm sure if they were celebrating the burning of a baby they had a good reason.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

that's pretty colbblooded man

I mean tommy robinson got literally imprisoned for far far less

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I highly doubt the Israelis would ever overreach like that. And it was still a bitch move to ask the Syrians to help you with the war only to turn around and make your separate peace and leave them on their own like that. That and the "opening" to the West(i.e. making a few Egyptians rich at the expense of the masses) is why I think he's an overrated dirtbag.

Maybe you are right. But it wasn't a bitch move in the sense that Egypt intended to sell out the Syrians. The consensus in my reading has been that they simply got their asses kicked and weren't left with a lot of options. You might be right that Israelis would have avoided overextension (especially with a second front in the north still active), but that was probably hard for Egypt to bank on in their moment of vulnerability.

Israel focused on one front at a time and forced one combatant to make peace after another, rather than defeating the alliance and then making a general peace. In my view, it is hard to blame Egypt for being the more serious danger and thus the first focus. Syria in retrospect, would have been wise to make peace as soon as it became clear that Egypt was defeated.

Could Nasser have done better? Certainly possible. He showed a lot of grit in 1948, but less so in 1967. A far as bitching out on his allies, he screwed over the Syrians and Jordanians in the Six Day War: "Nasser induced Syria and Jordan to begin attacks on Israel by using the initially confused situation to claim that Egypt had repelled the Israeli air strike. Israeli counterattacks resulted in the seizure of East Jerusalem as well as the West Bank from the Jordanians, while Israel's retaliation against Syria resulted in its occupation of the Golan Heights."

 

[unimackpass]

Sadat fucked over the Syrians. The Egyptians and Syrians had a joint offensive to take back their land in 73 and increase the bargaining power of the Arabs but then Sadat broke ranks and made his own deal leaving the Syrians high and dry. Just one other reason why Sadat was a shit successor to Nasser.

He believed the previous path would never lead to a viable outcome and felt he was doing right the right thing for his country.
Their response was to just assassinate the guy.

Treaty Welcomed by Egyptians

Many of the 40 million Egyptians, having gone through four painful and expensive wars with Israel, were enthusiastic about the peace treaty. Throngs of well-wishers danced, waved signs and threw rose petals in celebration.

Under the treaty Israel's withdrawal of its civilian and military forces from Sinai was to be carried out in stages over three years. Two-thirds of the area was to be handed back within nine months after the exchange of formal ratification documents. In return for the Israeli pullback, Mr. Sadat agreed to establish peace. After the nine-month withdrawal was finished, the two Governments were to take up ''normal and friendly relations'' in the diplomatic, economic and cultural spheres, among others. The early withdrawals were completed, and the final phase is scheduled for next April.

''This is certainly one of the happiest moments of my life,'' Mr. Sadat, deeply moved, said at the signing ceremony. ''In all the steps I took I was merely expressing the will of a nation. I am proud of my people and of belonging to them.''

 

[Islam Imamate]

Maybe you are right. But it wasn't a bitch move in the sense that Egypt intended to sell out the Syrians. The consensus in my reading has been that they simply got their asses kicked and weren't left with a lot of options. You might be right that Israelis would have avoided overextension (especially with a second front in the north still active), but that was probably hard for Egypt to bank on in their moment of vulnerability.

Israel focused on one front at a time and forced one combatant to make peace after another, rather than defeating the alliance and then making a general peace. In my view, it is hard to blame Egypt for being the more serious danger and thus the first focus. Syria in retrospect, would have been wise to make peace as soon as it became clear that Egypt was defeated.

Could Nasser have done better? Certainly possible. He showed a lot of grit in 1948, but less so in 1967. A far as bitching out on his allies, he screwed over the Syrians and Jordanians in the Six Day War: "Nasser induced Syria and Jordan to begin attacks on Israel by using the initially confused situation to claim that Egypt had repelled the Israeli air strike. Israeli counterattacks resulted in the seizure of East Jerusalem as well as the West Bank from the Jordanians, while Israel's retaliation against Syria resulted in its occupation of the Golan Heights."

The whole purpose of the 73 war was to collectively strengthen the position of the Arabs, to then take what little fruit was gained for an Egyptian gain is underhanded. Nasser was attacked, he did not attack first, so while that's also shitty he was in an even more precarious position as far as I'm concerned.

Nasser is far from perfect but go to Egypt today and ask the average Egyptian who they remember more fondly, Nasser or Sadat. I'm confident as to what their answer would be.

He believed the previous path would never lead to a viable outcome and felt he was doing right the right thing for his country.
Their response was to just assassinate the guy.

Treaty Welcomed by Egyptians

Many of the 40 million Egyptians, having gone through four painful and expensive wars with Israel, were enthusiastic about the peace treaty. Throngs of well-wishers danced, waved signs and threw rose petals in celebration.

Under the treaty Israel's withdrawal of its civilian and military forces from Sinai was to be carried out in stages over three years. Two-thirds of the area was to be handed back within nine months after the exchange of formal ratification documents. In return for the Israeli pullback, Mr. Sadat agreed to establish peace. After the nine-month withdrawal was finished, the two Governments were to take up ''normal and friendly relations'' in the diplomatic, economic and cultural spheres, among others. The early withdrawals were completed, and the final phase is scheduled for next April.

''This is certainly one of the happiest moments of my life,'' Mr. Sadat, deeply moved, said at the signing ceremony. ''In all the steps I took I was merely expressing the will of a nation. I am proud of my people and of belonging to them.''

When you say "their response" who do you mean?

 

[abiG]

There’s something particularly disturbing about celebrating the burning alive of a baby.

Indeed, and look how far team Israel is willing to go to defend this madness.

 

[Son of Jamin]

You have a source for that or are we just going to blame everything on Hamas all the time?

A 20-year-old Palestinian indicted Thursday on terror-related charges told Israeli investigators during his interrogation that Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar paid his relatives to falsely tell the media that his baby cousin died of tear gas inhalation.

The suspect also disclosed that he was related to Layla Ghandour, the 8-month-old baby whose May 14 death was originally reported to have been caused by inhalation of tear gas sprayed by Israeli forces at Gaza border protesters. The story of the baby’s purported death at the hands of Israel dominated global media at the time, becoming one of the central elements of reporting on Palestinian opposition to the May 14 inauguration of the US embassy in Jerusalem.

However, Omar told authorities, Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar paid Layla’s parents, Miriam and Anwar Ghandour, NIS 8,000 ($2,206) to tell the media that the infant had died due to tear gas inhalation at the Gaza protests

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas...-killed-by-tear-gas-says-gaza-terror-suspect/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...m-baby-died-by-tear-gas-israel-says-1.6197759

But I assume those sources will be questioned because they are Israeli and that he could be seen as a "jailhouse snitch".

 

[Islam Imamate]

But I assume those sources will be questioned because they are Israeli and that he could be seen as a "jailhouse snitch".

Your first comment was this

On a more serious note, Hamas paid the parents to lie about their infant being killed by Israelis...both sides can do some effy stuff.

Which implies that you were talking about this case. Kind of misleading to me but maybe that wasn't your intention.

 

[Son of Jamin]

Your first comment was this

Which implies that you were talking about this case. Kind of misleading to me but maybe that wasn't your intention.

My intention was not to be misleading, according to those news outlets, the infant died from a pre-existing medical condition and not from a blood disease. Hamas paid the parents to put the blame on the Israelis according to the Palestinian that was caught and arrest by IDF.

 

[Islam Imamate]

My intention was not to be misleading, according to those news outlets, the infant died from a pre-existing medical condition and not from a blood disease.

Which kid, the one referred to in the OP or the one in your post?

 

[Son of Jamin]

Which kid, the one referred to in the OP or the one in your post?

Now I'm with you, I was speaking of the infant, not the kid in the OP! My bad for not connecting the dots.

It was merely to show that yes, celebrating children that are wounded is horrible and the same can be said to use your dead infant for political gains.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Now I'm with you, I was speaking of the infant, not the kid in the OP! My bad for not connecting the dots.

It was merely to show that yes, celebrating children that are wounded is horrible and the same can be said to use your dead infant for political gains.

Sure but let's remember one side has more dead infants and children than the other and its not unrelated to the conflict. Even if the kid died of some disease, you think the fact that Gaza's collapsing healthcare infrastructure is entirely unrelated to that fact? Maybe but maybe not.

 

[Rygu]

Different culture, hard to judge.

 

[Son of Jamin]

Sure but let's remember one side has more dead infants and children than the other and its not unrelated to the conflict. Even if the kid died of some disease, you think the fact that Gaza's collapsing healthcare infrastructure is entirely unrelated to that fact? Maybe but maybe not.

That is a valid point!

 

[LuchaBear]

I have to go back to this because I don't recall Palestinians bombing US targets. That was Israel. I also don't recall Palestinian spies running wild in America. I certainly don't remember 200 of their spies rounded up in relation to 9/11 and then released. That was the Israelis too. I also can't recall Palestinians stealing our nuclear tech, creating their own secret arsenal and then selling our stolen secrets and nuclear material to countries such as China, South Africa, let alone our sworn enemy at the time, the evil Russians. Again, that was done by the Israelis.


Thank-you! For the obvious!

I have pointed this out a few times and I get silence coupled with "I don't believe you're a Jew." The fucking hypocrisy is both astounding and completely idiotic at the same time.

You've also made up complete lies over and over and when shown how you're wrong, you bail on the thread for a while like a bitch.

"Israel supports ISIS!"





You need to shut the hell up with your hypocritical agenda.