Ali Abdelaziz: How the hell is Conor McGregor above GSP in the P4P rankings and rips Conor McGregor

[dipstickjimmy]

You can't say he hasn't fought in nearly 2 years and then in the same sentence count the Floyd loss
It either counts or it doesn't

Yes I can. It wasn't a real fight and he lost. Put all that aside and McG won a UFC title Dec 12, 2015 and he has never had a title defense. He has never been medically unfit to fight. He has 2 WW bouts against a UFC LW and a boxing match against a retired boxer in that time. He is rumored to fight fall of 2018 so that will be 3 years since winning a UFC belt and that fight may not even be a title fight if he even fights again ever. Here is the big difference. GSP walked away for 4 years and did not walk around with his UFC belt calling himself champion, the greatest etc. Conor has been doing exactly that. GSP just fought so he is active. There is no rule for when you are declared as inactive but it is customarily a year. Conor is inactive and GSP just fought.

 

[Mamou]

The Mcteenagers and the GSP dick riders arguing about an imaginary list that means absolutely nothing.



This should be fun

 

[WarVitor]

If anything is wrong with this list it should be that Artem isnt top 10!! wtf!

 

[Soul On Ice]

Yes I can. It wasn't a real fight and he lost. Put all that aside and McG won a UFC title Dec 12, 2015 and he has never had a title defense. He has never been medically unfit to fight. He has 2 WW bouts against a UFC LW and a boxing match against a retired boxer in that time. He is rumored to fight fall of 2018 so that will be 3 years since winning a UFC belt and that fight may not even be a title fight if he even fights again ever. Here is the big difference. GSP walked away for 4 years and did not walk around with his UFC belt calling himself champion, the greatest etc. Conor has been doing exactly that. GSP just fought so he is active. There is no rule for when you are declared as inactive but it is customarily a year. Conor is inactive and GSP just fought.

Sick rant that isn't relevant to the topic or anything I've said

"Conor hasn't had a fight in nearly 2 years but lost a fight a few month ago"
^Your logic BTW^​

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Sick rant that isn't relevant to the topic or anything I've said

"Conor hasn't had a fight in nearly 2 years but lost a fight a few month ago"
^Your logic BTW^​

Not sure why you can't see that I am ranting on Conor and on topic of the thread. He should not be on the P4P list ahead of GSP and by others definition is an INACTIVE FIGHTER. I also did acknowlefge that I forgot the Alvarez fight was after the Diaz fights. The P4P list in question is for MMA so despite Conor LOSING this past summer he has not fought in MMA in ages (well over a year).

 

[Soul On Ice]

Not sure why you can't see that I am ranting on Conor and on topic of the thread. He should not be on the P4P list ahead of GSP and by others definition is an INACTIVE FIGHTER. I also did acknowlefge that I forgot the Alvarez fight was after the Diaz fights. The P4P list in question is for MMA so despite Conor LOSING this past summer he has not fought in MMA in ages (well over a year).

He's either only lost once and has been inactive for nearly 2 years
Or
He's lost twice and fought a few months ago

GSP has just fought more recently, he is not more active

1 fight in 4 years.

Just repeating myself now and this isn't going anywhere
agree to disagree

 

[BKB92]

Conor was never medically inactive.




If you ignore the fact he was KO’d last August by a high level boxer after taking a serious beating late on.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

He's either only lost once and has been inactive for nearly 2 years
Or
He's lost twice and fought a few months ago

GSP has just fought more recently, he is not more active

1 fight in 4 years.

Just repeating myself now and this isn't going anywhere
agree to disagree

I get that this is hard for you do I will slow it down.
In MMA GSP fought 3 months ago and Conor well over a year. Conor did fight in a different sport and lost which is fun to bring up since it seems to get under the skin of deluded McNuggets. I thought you actually were able to keep up since you like to poke at people here and there.

To make it BLACK AND WHITE for you.
GSP has defeated every man he has faced in MMA. Has defeated the former WW GOAT in Hughes, former LW GOAT & WW Champion making him a true P4P Great in BJ Penn, Defeated the reigning MW champion in Bisping to become MW champion, Never lost his WW belt so in his last to he won the WW title and the MW title. Had 9 consecutive WW title defenses against a wide variety of fighters who were at their peak and offered different styles, strengths and matchups. He beat them all in dominating fashion.

Conor beat a bunch of FWs which he could not do under today's rules since they have banned the weight cutting enhancements that helped him do it. He beat Porier which was his only top 10 win before being booked for a title shot. He & UFC hand picked Mendes over Frankie as a replacement despite Mendes being not even remotely in fight shape and having lost to Aldo 2x's and had only 1 win since. Frankie had lost to Aldo as well but only once and was on a 4 fight winning streak. Conor is a LW who did such an extreme weight cut that he can't possibly do it anymore. He did win the title at FW but against smaller fighters. He is a LW and has never fought a fighter above LW. His WW fights against a LW are not fights at WW in a true sense. and he was 1-1 with Nate. So the only time Conor has fought a Bigger fighter he was 1-1 and his win was a Majority Decision that he easily could have lost.

GSP has defeated every fighter close to his size that he ever fought. Most in such dominating fashion that it was boring to some as the outcome was never in doubt. He also beat the champion in a division above his natural weight class. Conor has only 2 fights against a larger opponent and that guy is still a legit LW and in the same class as Conor. He has never fought anyone above his class and that is a prerequisite for P4P consideration. The fact that the UFC has a list for marketing is great but if you were to discuss on an open forum about what P4P means and who should be on it there is actually no reason for Conor to be in the top 10.

Additionally and lastly P4P is not based on your last fight alone and to say its not a lifetime award is stupid. Career achievements factor in much greater then a 2 or 3 fight streak.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

I'm much more of a GSP fan than a Conor fan, but it's difficult to make an argument for GSP being ranked higher. The reality is that GSP handpicked the most vulnerable champion on the roster and beat him. After seeing Bisping get obliterated by Kelvin, it should be painfully obvious that Bisping is completely shot. At this point, it's difficult to say how good GSP is. It's not reasonable to assume that he's the same fighter he was before his 4-year hiatus, and although he looked good against Bisping, I'm not sure Bisping is even a top 10 MW.

Personally, I don't think either guy should be ranked. Conor hasn't fought in more than a year, and 2 fights ago he lost to Nate, who's not even a top 5 LW.

After fighting 3 weeks prior and getting rocked pretty damn hard he should not have been considered for that fight. Luke who got KTFO by Bisping took 1 1/2 years to come back. Bisping is older and is pretty close to retirement but that Kelvin fight doesn't tell anybody anything.....Believe you me! LOL had to add that since I heard that last line in my head as if Bisping were analysing at the FOX desk.

Bisping gets a lot of crap on Sherdog about not being top 10 MW. A little drastic don't you think. The guy came up short against the very elite but as we know almost all the guys who beat him were juicing. As far as a clean fighter goes Bisping might be in GOAT discussion.

As far as not top 10 here are the UFC's own rankings for what they are worth
(GSP isnt on the MW rankings at all nor the WW but Conor is)

Champion : Robert Whittaker

1 Yoel Romero

2 Luke Rockhold

3 Jacare Souza

4 Chris Weidman

5 Kelvin Gastelum

6 Michael Bisping

7 Derek Brunson

8 David Branch

9 Uriah Hall

10 Vitor Belfort

11 Thiago Santos

12 Lyoto Machida

13 Krzysztof Jotko

14 Paulo Costa

15 Brad Tavares

Bisping is #6 so who are your 5 MWs out of Derek Brunson, David Branch, Uriah Hall,Vitor Belfort, Thiago Santos
Lyoto Machida,
Krzysztof Jotko,
Paulo Costa,
Brad Tavares are you putting ahead of him. Remember rankings are based on accomplishments and not potential. Just because you might think over the next 5 fights for each fighter 5 will do better then Bisping doesn't change the rankings today.

 

[20falarVerdades]

GSP came in for a paycheck and then ran away, Conor is more relevant than him now

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Sure, GSP has got more credentials.
But the P4P is also about who seems like the most dangerous guy to fight at the moment.
I would not hold GSP as the favourite against most top 3 middleweights or welterweights right now, but I would hold Conor as the favourite against anyone in LW or FW except Khabib.

Two points:
Thats not a fair comparison. Conor is a Natural LW. He can't make FW anymore because they took away the things he relied on to make that weight to fight much smaller men. He himself called them midgets.
GSP is a natural WW. So either compare GSP against WW & LW or compare Conor vs LW & WW.

The point of P4P is theoretically if you were to magically correct for size who is better.
If you could make GSP 185 lbs without any cutting weight aka walk around weight and did the same for Conor who would win? If you answer Conor you are delusional. Conor has never faced an opponent outside his own weight class. Nate Diaz is a LW. Just becasue Nate and Conor didn't cut and fought at WW doesn't make them WWs. KJ Noons and Sam Stout were scheduled to fight at LW and the week of the fight they both agreed to skip the dehydration to hit 155 and moved their fight up to WW. That doesn't make them true WWs.

The point of P4P is completely subjective however there is more evidence for some fighters then others.

DJ fought 13 fights at BW despite being a natural FlyW and he fought 16 times at BW and won 14 with 2 decision losses both top 5 fighters and one of them was champion.

DC fought 13 times as a HW and was undefeated before moving to LHW where he has proven to be the GOAT LHW this side of Jon Jones.

GSP had 9 title defenses in a row against every different type of skill set and beat them all. Many were accomplished MWs: Jake Shields, Frank Trigg and he was so dominant they were not even close most of the time. He also beat the Reigning MW champion Mike Bisping.

Conor was 1-1 with Nate Diaz who is a LW with a 19-11 record overall and has a short stint at WW going 2-2. He had 16 LW fights before that and 8 LW fights after that with 2 WW? bouts against Conor. Conor has never fought anyone from a bigger weight class and the biggest fighter he fought is a journeyman that he lost to.

See the way that you can objectively assess facts to come up with an opinion on a subjective thing like P4P.
Based on the above would you rank Conor ahead of any of the other 3?

 

[dipstickjimmy]

GSP came in for a paycheck and then ran away, Conor is more relevant than him now

Isn't that exactly what Conor did? Except he ran away from MMA for a paycheck. Difference is GSP is the MMA GOAT and can and deserves to do what ever he wants. Conor isn't fit to wrap GSP hands.

 

[Tylerl90]

Any comment here trying to justify this is fuckin ridiculous. Conor McGregor will never, I repeat NEVER accomplish the things that Georges St Pierre has.

 

[12ga.]

Whats funny is Tony and Khabib arnt in top 10 - both on record breaking win streaks in toughest division.

If Khabib beats Tony he's #1 in my book. Same holds true for Tony.

You could make a case for DJ and GSP but one fights cans the other too inactive.

 

[IsNormal]

another conman nut hugger what else is new

Geez, I was hope I wouldn't have to write a long disclaimer for writing something positive about Conor but here it goes:

I'm not a big Conor fan. I think GSP and others have achieved more in their careers.
I dislike his personality, and I hate how he's made the MMA game abut money.
I think he should be stripped. I think he's too high up on the P4P list.

It's actually very reluctantly that I say I think he would beat most guys at the moment.
I've been quite skeptical of him in the past, but if I really think about I must admit I would hold him as the favorite in many fights.
* I think he would have a tough fight with Holloway, but I would still hold him as a slight favorite.
* Edgar could pose a problem but after seeing how Aldo beat him with his range I think Conor would manage to do the same
* Tony could surely sub Conor if he got the chance, but I would still hold Conor as the favourite.
* Against guys like Barboza, Poirier and Gaethje I would also bet on Conor. (Sure, if Conor ever got around to defending a belt I would assume he would lose it within a few fights if he fought all of these guys. But on a fight-by-fight basis I would have to hold him as the favourite )

I would only expect him to lose against Khabib.

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How many guys would YOU hold as the favourite against Conor?

 

[IsNormal]

Thats not a fair comparison. Conor is a Natural LW. He can't make FW anymore because they took away the things he relied on to make that weight to fight much smaller men. He himself called them midgets.
GSP is a natural WW. So either compare GSP against WW & LW or compare Conor vs LW & WW.

The point of P4P is theoretically if you were to magically correct for size who is better.

I agree with this.
I do think Conor, among others, were taking advantage of extreme weight cutting to fight smaller men.

And I agree P4P should be about the theoretical idea of "IF this guy was magically bigger, how would he do?" rather than "who can jump up the most weight classes" -as some other fans seem to think.
(For example when I think of Mighty Mouse in the p4p I consider the fact that he is so short that he would have a harder time moving up than many other guys, so that's not something I expect of him)

My statement about GSP compared to Conor in mainly elated to the fact that I'm not sure about how close GSP 2018 actually is to Prime-GSP.
Since he only fought once since retirment I'm not willing to say he's at the top of P4P in 2018, because I don't think there's enough data to support it..
But if he comes back and shows us I would of course be willing to change my mind.

* And I'm not only talking about GSP at MW. I'm talking WW too.
I would be less confident about GSP beating Woodley than Conor beating Tony.
I don't like admitting to that, but it's how I feel.

 

[bully4me]

Because 1 fight in 4 years

P4P isn't a lifetime achievement award

But GSP has fought more recently that Conor. So that doesn't make sense Conor goes up and GSP drops

 

[laleggenda27]

After fighting 3 weeks prior and getting rocked pretty damn hard he should not have been considered for that fight. Luke who got KTFO by Bisping took 1 1/2 years to come back. Bisping is older and is pretty close to retirement but that Kelvin fight doesn't tell anybody anything.....Believe you me! LOL had to add that since I heard that last line in my head as if Bisping were analysing at the FOX desk.

Bisping gets a lot of crap on Sherdog about not being top 10 MW. A little drastic don't you think. The guy came up short against the very elite but as we know almost all the guys who beat him were juicing. As far as a clean fighter goes Bisping might be in GOAT discussion.

As far as not top 10 here are the UFC's own rankings for what they are worth
(GSP isnt on the MW rankings at all nor the WW but Conor is)

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Bisping is #6 so who are your 5 MWs out of Derek Brunson, David Branch, Uriah Hall,Vitor Belfort, Thiago Santos
Lyoto Machida,
Krzysztof Jotko,
Paulo Costa,
Brad Tavares are you putting ahead of him. Remember rankings are based on accomplishments and not potential. Just because you might think over the next 5 fights for each fighter 5 will do better then Bisping doesn't change the rankings today.

I didn't say anything about potential over the next 5 fights. I said "I'm not sure Bisping is a top 10 MW." If they fought today, I'd put him as a clear underdog against Whittaker, Yoel, Jacare, Luke, Mousasi, Kelvin, and Weidman. So at best, Bisping is #8. But I'm not sure he would beat guys like Brunson, Tavares, Shlemenko, Branch, or Hall. Even Machida, who's also clearly shot, might beat Bisping. And, of course, this doesn't count GSP, who just besmirched Bisping.

 

[91 seconds]

Just look at the list. The way Conor's name is wedged in there at 2 is comical to me. I don't know how this upsets people who aren't involved. At this point even if you are involved, making exceptions for McGregor isn't a shocking thing. I like it when the company goes overboard and tosses reason in the ocean, it just exposes them.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

* And I'm not only talking about GSP at MW. I'm talking WW too.
I would be less confident about GSP beating Woodley than Conor beating Tony.
I don't like admitting to that, but it's how I feel.

I was a little concerned about Bisping personally. I felt the size and his cardio to go 5 rounds and keep fighting that he could win a decision. At the last minute I did tell my wife that GSP was going to win by a submission and he did.

I personally do not get why some think Woodley is a Monster but Bisping was some scrub. GSP beats woodley 9 times out of ten unless he has completely lost it and based on the Bisping fight he still has it and more. That wasn't a simple fight or a 13 second KO. GSP took on a bigger fighter who had all the tools to beat the GSP that left 4 years ago. That's why GSP is the GOAT of all GOATs. He has the one attribute that no one can defeat. He is smarter then everyone else. He doesn't simply beat a specific style or guys who are smaller or weaker. He beats guys who are better wrestlers then him, better strikers then him, better BJJ then him because there is no one better then him when it comes to finding a way to beat the challenge in front of him. If you don't think there is a game plan that GSP can execute against Woodley I think you are weong. This is after all an Interim Champion and he is calling out Nate Diaz FFS and running from all legit contenders whenever he can.