Alexander Karelin

[kimurense]

I think they would have had Rickson fight instead of Royce.

Still, he may have died...

I think you are underestimating rickson.. this is a definite "rickson by armbar"

 

[YeahBee]

This is what would happen
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[Spawned_Fighter]

Surviving is a ****phor for Gardner. The guy has survived being shot with an arrow, hit by a car while on a motorcycle, a plane crash into near freezing water; swimming in the water and being unsheltered in freezing weather overnight until someone came along and found him.

Gardner is by no means a pushover, it speaks volumes of both men.

qft. both of them are great

 

[Scooter Brown]

there is no doubt in my mind that Royce Gracie would have died if Karelin had enterd UFC1

If he was even marginally familiar with sambo, yes. He probably would've killed anyone in the world.

 

[kenban judan]

maybe i am hallucinating, but i swear i read somewhere something about karelin (along with swain) ultimately not getting the green light to appear in the royce-era UFCs, because it took rickson 20 minutes to tap him...

i would guess this is bs, but has anyone else ever heard about that?

 

[YeahBee]

Both of them were still active in their olympics careers at the time of the first UFC,

 

[kenban judan]

the thread or article was making more of a point of how hand-picked royce's opposition was,

trying to find something i can cite for the last two hours, failed. i won't edit my previous post for the sake of the thread, but i am sorry i even brought this up.

 

[omgitsrick]

maybe i am hallucinating, but i swear i read somewhere something about karelin (along with swain) ultimately not getting the green light to appear in the royce-era UFCs, because it took rickson 20 minutes to tap him...

i would guess this is bs, but has anyone else ever heard about that?

I think its BS.

 

[YeahBee]

The Gracies DID duck Gokor.

 

[makoa26]

I think you are underestimating rickson.. this is a definite "rickson by armbar"

I think you're underestimating Karelin. Karelin by flawless victory......and fatality!

 

[GannonTheCannon]

maybe i am hallucinating, but i swear i read somewhere something about karelin (along with swain) ultimately not getting the green light to appear in the royce-era UFCs, because it took rickson 20 minutes to tap him...

i would guess this is bs, but has anyone else ever heard about that?

there was a top american wrestler (schultz?) that gave Rickson a lengthy roll (20 minutes) b4 getting tapped. people were very impressed at the time.

the rest of it sounds like the classic "so and so would have beaten the Gracies had he been allowed to compete". 99% of these stories are easily debunked.

 

[Remi]

there was a top american wrestler (schultz?) that gave Rickson a lengthy roll (20 minutes) b4 getting tapped. people were very impressed at the time.

the rest of it sounds like the classic "so and so would have beaten the Gracies had he been allowed to compete". 99% of these stories are easily debunked.

I heard that Schultz gave Rickson fits in their roll and he also turned down a rematch (Rickson that is)

 

[kenban judan]

remi, cannon, thanks,

shit, my mistake, it was schultz, not karelin at all

 

[BREAKNEK]

that was mark schultz, not dave mark was a beast
check him break the turks shoulder in the first clip with a keylock

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[chriskiss]

Lot's of guys his size and bigger in olympic wrestling. He was freaky strong, fast, and agile, with very good technique ... not really what you want in a 300 pound opponent. There were others as big and strong as him, but none as fast, explosive, or with such good technique. The GR guys who had to wrestle him admit to being nervous about getting onto the mats - and normally no one admits to being afraid of anything.

I don't know if anyone else was nearly as strong as him. Think "Karelin lift"

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[chriskiss]

And since I don't see the vids anywhere in this thread:

Olympic Introduction:
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Random Highlight:
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[YeahBee]

I heard that Schultz gave Rickson fits in their roll and he also turned down a rematch (Rickson that is)

Karelin was almost twice as big and way more accomplishged then Schultz, and if Schultz did lasted 20 minutes with Rickson...

 

[Silverblur]

Bump, with something resembling a source for stateing that Karelin had both Sambo and boxing experience;

Alexander Karelin: ZoomInfo Business People Information

I don't know how reliable it is, but it looks like am interview from just befor his "fight".


The interview starts about half way down.