Aip diet vs fasting for joint pain and inflammation

[1rawdog]

Apparently the skin prick tests have a high false positive rate, but a low false negative rate, which means they are still useful as an initial screen, with positive results not being taken as gospel, but rather serving as a flag for further testing (e.g. elimination diet + more blood work).

I would be more concerned if there was a high false negative rate as that could give someone a false sense of security...whereas a false positive might result in someone simply avoiding/eliminating something that isn't actually harmful to them.

The high false positive test with the hypothetical lung example would be a concern *if that was the only test available* with which to then make a very extreme decision like lung removal...but its false positive rate would be much less concerning if it served as a screen to flag people for further follow up.

Agreed with all of that. Same scenario for blood tests which is what buddy brought up. I felt the need to use a dramatic and simple analogy due to having dealt with who I was replying to in the past.

 

[wufabufa]

I wouldn’t know I don’t bother with stuff like that , the funny thing is you haven’t actually posted yourself on here which drops your credibility so you really can’t connect with anyone I post myself bc I’m a public figure so ?

That seems to go over your head , looks like a hit a nerve with this one ? Posting other guys pics ,that must be an accomplishment for you ? Lol


Here I’ll show you how it’s done at 50 which I bet I still look at least a decade younger then you do ? Laugh at that . You like to laugh right ? Lol

Of course I did it all with whey protein as well.

This dude definitely has a protein coach.

 

[Renard]

Is the reasoning here because of the type of sugar - fructose vs glucose and sucrose etc or does it come down to the amount of carbs consumed? The main reason I ask is what if a guy hated fruit or something and just wanted to "spend" his carbs on some bread product or similar? Still effective for the reasons people would eat a keto type diet?

The reason is because it's easier to keep carbs low on fruit because they're high in fiber and water. However if you hated fruit you could just eat something else as long as the carbs were low enough to trigger metabolic switching in this instance.

 

[GolovKing]

Ketone bodies are known to have an anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidative effect. Reducing carbs and triggering use of ketones would be the first thing I try. You should be able to get there easily with daily IF and lowering carbs. You want metabolic switching to occur, meaning glucose gets low enough that your body switches to ketones. Even if you eat later in the day for at least part of the day you were using ketones. It doesn't mean it'll fix the shoulder issue, but it might be less annoying as long as you're eating that way.

If you're looking for a specific diet, something like paleo would work. Like a hunter-gatherer diet where you're fasting for a long period of time, and eat plenty of meat and fruit like berries or apples when you do eat. Not cornflakes, bread, cakes, etc, like in a modern diet.

I mainly eat a lot of steamed rice as my carb source. How do you feel about this? Still better to give it up?

 

[GolovKing]

Apparently the skin prick tests have a high false positive rate, but a low false negative rate, which means they are still useful as an initial screen, with positive results not being taken as gospel, but rather serving as a flag for further testing (e.g. elimination diet + more blood work).

I would be more concerned if there was a high false negative rate as that could give someone a false sense of security...whereas a false positive might result in someone simply avoiding/eliminating something that isn't actually harmful to them.

The high false positive test with the hypothetical lung example would be a concern *if that was the only test available* with which to then make a very extreme decision like lung removal...but its false positive rate would be much less concerning if it served as a screen to flag people for further follow up.

I had a skin prick test done for seasonal allergies that really was a game changer for me but I don't really remember it including food allergies. Are tests for food allergies done the same way?

 

[MRT]

I had a skin prick test done for seasonal allergies that really was a game changer for me but I don't really remember it including food allergies. Are tests for food allergies done the same way?

Yeah, me too. I had one when I was really young and it was a big help as I had pretty bad asthma and some not-so-fun reactions to some environmental and animal allergens, but those allergies have dramatically reduced over the years to the point that few bother me.

I'm not really up to speed on what is done these days as I've thankfully never had any food allergies (seriously ones must really suck), but it seems there are a number of options (including skin prick test): https://www.uofmhealth.org/conditions-treatments/food-allergy/diagnosis-testing

 

[Smato_rules]

That’s not really true .

I’ve had multiple doctors say they aren’t very accurate or effective either.

 

[maximus__]

I wouldn’t know I don’t bother with stuff like that , the funny thing is you haven’t actually posted yourself on here which drops your credibility so you really can’t connect with anyone I post myself bc I’m a public figure so ?

That seems to go over your head , looks like a hit a nerve with this one ? Posting other guys pics ,that must be an accomplishment for you ? Lol


Here I’ll show you how it’s done at 50 which I bet I still look at least a decade younger then you do ? Laugh at that . You like to laugh right ? Lol

Of course I did it all with whey protein as well.

You don't bother reading posts? Why are you here then?

Post more pics please. That will show @1rawdog

 

[maximus__]

Which do you think would be more effective for alleviating symptoms of joint pain and inflammation? Particularly things like bursitis which I have in my shoulder. Would any of these two be effective or neither? Of the two fasting seems like it'd be more easier to implement than aip. However I've never anything as extreme as either diet wise

Eat like an adult seems to be the way to go.

Meat, fruit, vegetables and Carb sources like Potato and Rice.

I would address the issue with the shoulder as opposed to chasing a nutritional approach if it's localized to a specific area.

 

[Deaths Head]

I’ve had multiple doctors say they aren’t very accurate or effective either.

That’s nonsense. You can’t get anymore accurate then reading what’s inside your body a specific amount or what a specific chemical might be missing etc etc a REAL blood test could tell you everything if one gets a REALtest checking everything and is the most practical way to go about the first steps in one’s diet .

Screen the blood fir a complete diagnostic from enzymes to any vitamin deficiencies plus PH levels are not inaccurate it’s actually a must if one wants a solid blue print where they arein general health .

….I’ve known some of the smartest healthiest ppl corr3ct themselves with knowing what they need by doing those tests . Doctors are some of the worst ppl I’ve actually seen they know more about prescribing pills then actually healing the body naturally . Doctors in general would be against anything that would cause them to be less relevant, their job is to treat the symptoms not actually fix anything Internally bc that would cost the medical industry millions .

 

[Deaths Head]

You don't bother reading posts? Why are you here then?

Post more pics please. That will show @1rawdog

So we got idiotic number 2 now ?

 

[maximus__]

So we got idiotic number 2 now ?

Nah just making fun of you for posting photos of you wearing handwraps and lifting duct taped Dumbells like it's something badass.

It's kinda like the guy that takes his shirt off to fight... It just makes you look a bit silly.

 

[Renard]

I mainly eat a lot of steamed rice as my carb source. How do you feel about this? Still better to give it up?

Depends on quantity of course. You could buy something to test if you're in ketosis. When I did OMAD I could eat a fair bit of carbs during my eating window and I'd still be in ketosis for a long part of the day. Meaning stricter IF can sometimes compensate for too many carbs as well. It's either lower carbs or stricter fasting.

 

[Spam On Rye]

Been doing carnivore diet for many years and it's the only thing that's helped with my severe joint pain. The transition is rough but once you get used to it it's fucking great.

 

[wufabufa]

Been doing carnivore diet for many years and it's the only thing that's helped with my severe joint pain. The transition is rough but once you get used to it it's fucking great.

Could you give a brief rundown of your experience?

 

[Spam On Rye]

Could you give a brief rundown of your experience?

Pretty much had knee and back pain so bad that I wouldn't leave the house unless I had to. Switched to carnivore and it lessened my joint pain significantly and gave me back a normal lifestyle. It didn't cure me but I can enjoy things again.

It wasn't an easy transition though. The hardest part was kicking carbs. Shit's like a drug. People develop ketoflu and quit but as long as you take magnesium citrate and lots of salt and potassium you'll be fine. I quit all drinking and drugs as well. Once you get used to it it's easy and the bonus of being in shape is there too. Also, cow is delicious.