Television AHSOKA Live-ActionSeries (Premieres Aug. 23, 2023)

[FyrFytr998]

huh

I saw those but don't remember that episode

Season 1, Episode 6 - TO-B1

 

[ChickenBrother]

I want her to be barely force sensitive. Like she can move the tea cup and small objects. A SPED Jedi kinda.

I'd be OK with it but IMO that would cheapen the "grit and determination" theme they're spinning with Sabine. You can't will your way into having force powers. But you can will yourself to be "attuned to the force" like Chirrut Imwe and if you combine that with mandalorian training and tech, you'd be a handful and maybe even a match for a force user.

Ray being a Mary Sue makes sense because she was a Palpatine(the prequels are essentially about how Palaptine is 10 steps ahead of everyone)and is one of the only ST criticisms I disagree with. Same as Luke being a Skywalker(the force is literally his grandfather). They both mastered the force with minimal training. I kinda want to see the other side of that. I think it can be a compelling story.

Have to disagree here. Luke was old but as you point out, he had GOAT lineage. And he had both personal and online virtual training from Obi Wan + months of all day privates from arguably the GOAT jedi in Yoda. Then presumably years of online progress checks and conference calls with both before he surpassed Vader's skills in ROTJ.

OTOH Rey (also from GOAT lineage) had literally no training - she didn't even know what a jedi was but was able to best Luke's full-on force user nephew in single combat and generally make an ass of him. This when Darth Emo had years of grooming and focused training in the ways of jedi/knights who say ni under Luke, Snoke and presumably others. Jedi are the most highly trained and skilled people in the galaxy and I'm reminded of an adage from competitive sports: "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

 

[deviake]

I'd be OK with it but IMO that would cheapen the "grit and determination" theme they're spinning with Sabine. You can't will your way into having force powers. But you can will yourself to be "attuned to the force" like Chirrut Imwe and if you combine that with mandalorian training and tech, you'd be a handful and maybe even a match for a force user.



Have to disagree here. Luke was old but as you point out, he had GOAT lineage. And he had both personal and online virtual training from Obi Wan + months of all day privates from arguably the GOAT jedi in Yoda. Then presumably years of online progress checks and conference calls with both before he surpassed Vader's skills in ROTJ.

OTOH Rey (also from GOAT lineage) had literally no training - she didn't even know what a jedi was but was able to best Luke's full-on force user nephew in single combat and generally make an ass of him. This after Mssr. emo bitch had had years of grooming and focused training in the ways of jedi/knights who say ni under Luke, Snoke and presumably others. Jedi are supposed to be the most highly trained and skilled people in the galaxy and I'm reminded of an adage from competitive sports: "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

Yeah I'd be okay with her being attuned with the force with hard work like Chirrut. Lucas himself has said anyone can use the force, there's just degrees to how much work it takes to do so and what one's actual potential is, which is I guess what he was going for when he made midi-chlorians.

Sabine is the opposite of Rey and always has been. Filoni I'm sure did that on purpose, even in Mando with the Luke episodes he's not so subtly giving a middle finger to the sequel trilogy. Sabine/mandos using the dark saber (basically a lightsaber) isn't unprecedented but to someone watching this with no Clone Wars/Rebels pretext, she's just randomly trying to use a lightsaber. She was already a badass raised mando.

As an aside, judging from some of the comments I can tell a lot of people don't know anything about The Clone Wars nor Rebels and how well established these characters are but then again, it's on the creators to show that and to have tight writing. In my opinion they might've been better off calling the show something else, same with Andor. Andor is so extremely well written and made that it's just good story telling period, Ahsoka so far suffers from some writing/acting issues (a lot of which oddly cleared up in the third episode where it just stylistically felt like the OT, PT, and Rebels merged... fingers crossed that that holds) but those are easier to overlook for someone like me who watched Clone Wars and Rebels and saw the character/story development as I have a more vested interest, I can see why others would be more critical. That said, some of the criticisms I've found bizarre and also directly apply to aspects the original and prequel trilogies.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I want her to be barely force sensitive. Like she can move the tea cup and small objects. A SPED Jedi kinda.

Ray being a Mary Sue makes sense because she was a Palpatine(the prequels are essentially about how Palaptine is 10 steps ahead of everyone)and is one of the only ST criticisms I disagree with. Same as Luke being a Skywalker(the force is literally his grandfather). They both mastered the force with minimal training. I kinda want to see the other side of that. I think it can be a compelling story.

I think she's obviously very different to Luke who went though one film with limited force ability, was trained in the second then failed before suceeding in the finale. That said though I think they could have made Rey work if they'd come up with a decent dramatic story for her having amazing innate powers, the issue was that she was a Mary Sue in the sense of being a dramatically weak character. They kind of introduced a plot about her family but as with Finn being at ex Storm Trooper they rarely gave it much focus and I think the only time Rey was very interesting was the stuff with Kylo in Last Jedi before she rejects him. Most of the time though she is a textbook Mary Sue, a character who exists purely as an audience cypher and gets by on being better at things than anyone else, she spends most of the films either gorping at some kind of OT nostalgia or reacting to someone trying to attack her.

Really though I think its less a fault with her specifically and more that the Abrams films are such nothing cinema, a nostalgia diversion to be watched once and forgotten. Last Jedi has a few moments that promise a bit more but ultimately falls into the same formula.

 

[Hog-train]

Slicing the spaceship in half with a lightsaber was retarded and way too OP.

And then multiple enemy fighters not even scratching their ship when they're right behind is kind of BS too. They were just casually dodging them with not a care in the world as if it wasn't a biggie.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Slicing the spaceship in half with a lightsaber was retarded and way too OP.

And then multiple enemy fighters not even scratching their ship when they're right behind is kind of BS too. They were just casually dodging them with not a care in the world as if it wasn't a biggie.

deflectors were down to 10%

 

[Thrawn33]

deflectors were down to 10%

Some serious shielding, like I said before, a little exposition would go.a long way with a casual viewer

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Rewatching episode 3 again with my kid.
My only complaint is the fighters going after them have zero actual firepower. They land tons of shots and don’t even scratch paint.

I feel like along with lightsaber lethality, deflector shields on ships is absurdly inconsistent in recent Star Wars stuff

Shields.. for some reason they didn’t put it in the dialogue but that ship definitely has deflector shields. As for the latter part of the fight after they lost power they basically explain that away by having Ashoka go out in space and take fire which works better in the animations than in live action.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Btw.. I have a far fetched theory about Baylan. I think it’s possible he could be Emporer Valkorion reborn again.. only reason I’m not spoiled tagging this is how crazy it would be if they did it.. but Stevenson is a dead ringer for him.


They’d need to call in Luke to take him down if so..

 

[Protectandserve]

Shields.. for some reason they didn’t put it in the dialogue but that ship definitely has deflector shields. As for the latter part of the fight after they lost power they basically explain that away by having Ashoka go out in space and take fire which works better in the animations than in live action.

They discuss it when they are going towards the hyperspace ring and turbo laser fire starts.

What I mean is they show turbo laser hits explode a few feet from the ship, which could be attributed to shield hits, but then the snub fighters impacts are literally on the hull numerous times, next to the engines or along other parts.

It’s all just super inconsistent. Mando has the same problems in its show. The capital ship gets murked by fighters and immediately starts taking hits and damage from the TIEs when it’s above Mandalore. No shields to speak of shown or even discussed.

 

[ChickenBrother]

In my opinion they might've been better off calling the show something else, same with Andor. Andor is so extremely well written and made that it's just good story telling period, Ahsoka so far suffers from some writing/acting issues (a lot of which oddly cleared up in the third episode where it just stylistically felt like the OT, PT, and Rebels merged... fingers crossed that that holds)

Agree with the rest of your post but I really think you might be onto something here. It's too early to tell since we're not even halfway through the first season, but yeah the series title is a WTF. Ahsoka is a top billed character you'd expect key parts of the SW saga to revolve around but introducing Thrawn, world between worlds, the entire cast of Rebels into live action plus all the shit that went down in Rebels and Clone Wars, new baddies in Baylan and Shin allied with Rita Repulsa, that's way more than just Ahsoka. They should have called it "Star Wars: how we're going to set up and then retcon the ST."

And this goes double for Andor. The man was an important NPC in Rogue One who I couldn't give two shits about. And after being wowed by his eponymous series, I still don't give a shit about him. But I now care way more about Mon Mothma, her struggle in the Senate, Luthen, Dedra, Syril "McLovin" Karn and everything happening around them. As a military vet, I really appreciated the writing and acting around Karn, especially his interactions with Sergeant Mosk, the world's most loyal NCO. It had the only live action military scenes I've seen in SW that weren't wink wink ridiculous. But all that considered, they should have called the series "SW episode 3.5: all the shit that went down between ROTS and ANH."

 

[Hog-train]

deflectors were down to 10%

Some serious shielding, like I said before, a little exposition would go.a long way with a casual viewer

And the enemy ships don't have shields?

 

[Thrawn33]

And the enemy ships don't have shields?

Depends, and that's why they should explain. Tie fighters have no shields, X wings do...both are at a smaller scale than a transport or capitol ship...aka a star destroyers guns say fuck off to your X-wings shields.. a Millennium falcon can say my shields laugh at your puny tie lasers...oh and eat laser

 

[ChickenBrother]

I want a Droid or robot to be force sensitive.

if the force resides in all things why wouldn't a Droid be able to use it

It's supposed to be only living things that can channel it. That's why Vader had his force abilities curtailed after losing his arms and legs and couldn't use sith lightning.

Season 1, Episode 6 - TO-B1

Just watched it lol. A little silly and at this point they've thrown canon out with the bathwater, but I guess they never show the droid actually using the force, only fighting with a lightsaber. Maybe talking to the force ghost of his master was only in his imagination but he was basically like a kid Grievous, trained in combat but no actual force abilities.

 

[ferrisjso]

Being a Palpatine was the final nail in the coffin for that trilogy, because it gave us this gem of a movie quote…..
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In the ST: Visions anime shorts, there was an episode much like Pinocchio where a Jedi Master created an Android Boy to become a Jedi. Not sure about force powers, but it’s similar.

I feel like that one was made for the meme value cause with that last film they were aware of what a dumpster fire it was. It's the real world equivilant to if Hitler came out of hiding in 2006 at 117 years old with a fleet of battleships that could shoot nukes.

 

[Corona]

Slicing the spaceship in half with a lightsaber was retarded and way too OP.

And then multiple enemy fighters not even scratching their ship when they're right behind is kind of BS too. They were just casually dodging them with not a care in the world as if it wasn't a biggie.

that was some ATG plot armor. The three ships could’ve just lit them up lol

 

[Hog-train]

that was some ATG plot armor. The three ships could’ve just lit them up lol

I can even accept that plot armor, but what I really didn't like was the casual acting by Sabine and Ahsoka as if it's no big deal. You're about to be killed and they're acting like "whatevs."

 

[Deleted member 110072]

They discuss it when they are going towards the hyperspace ring and turbo laser fire starts.

What I mean is they show turbo laser hits explode a few feet from the ship, which could be attributed to shield hits, but then the snub fighters impacts are literally on the hull numerous times, next to the engines or along other parts.

It’s all just super inconsistent. Mando has the same problems in its show. The capital ship gets murked by fighters and immediately starts taking hits and damage from the TIEs when it’s above Mandalore. No shields to speak of shown or even discussed.

Alot of it is simply about plot I'd agree but SW shields besides the really big ones on the Deathstar 2 which is generated from a planet tend to take the form of stopping hits directly on the surface of the ship rather than having an obvious barrier infront of it.

The turbo lasers exploding is more a kind of "flak canon" effect which has been used before in SW I seem to remember.

 

[milliniar]

Liked this episode so thrawn in episode 6 or part of next week's?

 

[ChickenBrother]

Halfway point in the season and I'm officially onboard with this series now. First two episodes weren't promising but the last two made up for it. Lightsaber battles were really great in tonight's episode and holy shit what a cliffhanger to end on.