Crime Ahmaud Arbery shooting v3

[Hog-train]

Ignoring aiming the gun at him because certain people for some reason cannot see it; the fact they blocked his path with the truck and then as he tried to go around to the right, the son advanced towards him holding a gun; that's the threat.

Case closed.

Completely agree.

Seems like people are jumping through hoops trying to make excuses for what should be open and shut.

 

[BEER]

No, one must use the vehicle offensively in a manner likely to result in serious bodily injury.

The video clearly shows it was Arbery who veered across the truck towards McMichael; as soon as McMichaels comes into frame he is backpedaling. The rest of what you wrote there is inaccurate.

1. Under Georgia law you are not required to withdraw or retreat if there is a reasonable fear for your life (not even outside your home or defending your property).
2. This one could be relevant, but there is no evidence to suggest it, and everything we know contradicts it. They did not taunt him. They sought to detain him. Furthermore, this would entail that Arbery was the aggressor in that final confrontation, by provocation, and you have already asserted you do not believe this.
3. The criminal activity must be a felony. A false arrest is a misdemeanor. Brandishing a weapon is also legal in Georgia in a dispute if it isn't aimed offensively, or wielded under threat, and otherwise decriminalized if the person isn't attempting to violently injure the other person, and it's apparent they weren't until Travis was attacked. This was discussed earlier.

The last is the one I said I would have thought would be the prosecutors strategy for attributing felonious conduct to the McMichaels. One would argue they didn't have reasonable grounds to brandish their firearm, but at the trial, I suspect their lawyer will argue these firearms were a precaution on the presumption they may be facing an armed man. This is where my post dug in on the potential escalation of simple assault to aggravated assault, so maybe this is why the prosecutors chose to charge them with aggravated assault, because otherwise, nothing about their conduct fits the definition of that in the "Crime on Person" statutes I read, and I read them all.

This is why I said it's not so cut and dry.

You put such wild spin on everything, Mick. And writing such long-winded posts is clearly an attempt to overwhelm posters and scare them away from replying point-by-point.

I mean, the very first sentence is blatantly wrong. We know that Travis chased Arbery around to the front of the car, with a shotgun he had already aimed at Arbery. It would just be a guess, and certainly not a wild one, that Travis again aimed the gun at Arbery after moving to the front of the vehicle to cut him off. Whether or not this happened, Arbery was well enough justified to defend himself.

"False arrest" isn't the only crime the McDipshits committed.

Aggravated Assault, the moment either men pointed a firearm at Arbery, is a felony. That felony ended with the death of Arbery. In that case, in the State of Georgia, Felony Murder is the only charge that can be brought in the death of Ahmaud Arbery. You could probably argue that chasing him and cutting him off with the car was also a case of Aggravated Assault.

You might also not be up to date on the laws regarding "false arrest" in the state of Georgia. The crime in which they were attempting false under "False Imprisonment" which is defined as when "A person commits the offense of false imprisonment when, in violation of the personal liberty of another, he arrests, confines, or detains such person without legal authority".

So, there are two ironclad cases of attempted felonies. Which, again, means that Travis McMichael would be charged with Felony Murder.

Maybe where you live differentiates "false arrest" and "false imprisonment", but Georgia does not. They could EASILY both be charged with attempted false imprisonment, which would be a felony. I don't understand where you came up with it being a misdemeanor, but perhaps you're not looking at Georgia Law.

 

[jamel]

yes there are levels....2 good friends of mine when we were teenagers...entered a house that was under construction and partied in it...the police came and sent in 2 K9’s....they came out in shredded clothes, bitten, chewed up , bruised and beaten....again, the white privilege dept rejected their claim...yep, there are levels to a non existent privilege based on race.

Or... Now hear me out...

The shit is tiered, meaning it starts with race and ends with class.

The whole system needs to be reevaluated, nobody should go thru that just for simple shit.

Not saying every instance is race based, but once we tackle one issue the other should vanish as a result.

 

[A Lurker]

Completely agree.

Seems like people are jumping through hoops trying to make excuses for what should be open and shut.

IMO, the thread should now morph into "what the fuck is your motive for defending this?".

 

[A Lurker]

Or... Now hear me out...

The shit is tiered, meaning it starts with race and ends with class.

The whole system needs to be reevaluated, nobody should go thru that just for simple shit.

Not saying every instance is race based, but once we tackle one issue the other should vanish as a result.

Stop making pragmatic salient points, this is the War Room, for the love of Christ.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Oh man, love the MSM and their race baiting. "no White person ever was"

Those two dopes should have never done what they did. Time to pay the piper. To imply this is some race war, rallying cry just shows how crazy and evil the propaganda media arm of the left is.

That was his family's lawyer not the MSM...

 

[milkmandanl]

No, it shows that acting like a dick to police officers and repeatedly putting your hands in your pockets after they tell you not to might get you tased.

No because it starts with him already out of the car.

A guy pulled his car off the road and onto the grass of a public park that is known for heavy drug use. The police have every right to approach and question. If Arbery didn't want to be questioned he could have stayed in his car and asked for a supervisor, or called his lawyer. Watch the video again, man. The cop begins explaining why they approached him and Arbery goes OFF. No need for him to act that way.

some people must see race on n everything....their minds can’t be changed

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Creating this myth that rampant leftism exists is purely Trump's inherently evil plot to perpetually divide through fallacy and propaganda.

FTFY

 

[computer fogie]

What did you tag me for? To show me what a criminal this guy turned out to be?

You're apparently completely incapable of understanding that your attacks on AA's character have no bearing on the legality of the events that occurred at the scene of the crime. Bringing a gun to his high school doesn't justify the McMichaels confronting him with guns 7 years later.

You are determined, in the face of all morality, logic and laws, to exonerate the McMichaels. You don't care how much you ignore facts, nothing matters to you besides blaming the victim. That's a sad route to take. With all the time and effort you've put into this, don't expect mercy from people here if/when it turns out very differently in court than you think.

 

[ryan3434]

Great point well made; because as we all know, jogging whilst black is a felony in Georgia.

I don't see colour. But I do hate people that jog..

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

To be fair though, in his position (which I cannot truly be as I have never been profiled) I would be a tad angry at being threatened with a taser for doing absolutely fuck all wrong.

the first officer handled that very well, and professional. explaining why he was checking his ID, why he temporarily was being questioned. and was empathizing and communicating very well with Ahmoud. the 2nd officer may have been a tad bit aggressive. not sure if he was trying to deploy his tazer or it was charging or what not. (any LEO her confirm?)

 

[milkmandanl]

Why is he wearing a winter coat when it is quite obvious that the weather conditions are not calling for one? I think it is pretty obvious that this guy is not all there mentally.

after seeing his behavior with the police in the park vIdeo... i thought of myself He is probably on the spectrum...

 

[all caps]

the first officer handled that very well, and professional. explaining why he was checking his ID, why he temporarily was being questioned. and was empathizing and communicating very well with Ahmoud. the 2nd officer may have been a tad bit aggressive. not sure if he was trying to deploy his tazer or it was charging or what not. (any LEO her confirm?)

He said at the end that he did try to taze him but it malfunctioned.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

After a looooooooonnnnng fucking wait. Kowboy

It wasn't a long wait it was a coverup that was exposed.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

Anyone who bought into the initial jogger narrative must seriously be retarded.

 

[milkmandanl]

Or... Now hear me out...

The shit is tiered, meaning it starts with race and ends with class.

The whole system needs to be reevaluated, nobody should go thru that just for simple shit.

Not saying every instance is race based, but once we tackle one issue the other should vanish as a result.

fair enough...and agree for the most part. Race/ethnicity and class...I’d also add locale as in you’ll be treated differently in different areas...crime ridden areas will be less forgiving

 

[BEER]

Yeah, cool.

What does that have to do with the event in question?

 

[Hog-train]

Anyone who bought into the initial jogger narrative must seriously be retarded.

That has zero to do with the legality of what the McMichaels did.

People like you are disgusting trying to come up with any excuse. I don't even understand what your motive is.

 

[milkmandanl]

Anyone who bought into the initial jogger narrative must seriously be retarded.

I used to think the same thing until I watched the “park video” and saw him jog away.....