Crime Ahmaud Arbery shooting v3

[b34stmode]

That's way worse than trying the McMichaels by citation of crimes committed by people they don't even known 70 years ago, is it? You've been cheerleading posts mentioning lynchings from the 1950's, or earlier, including photos of hangings, and those mentioning hate crimes that are entirely unrelated to this encounter, or even to the DA's office and this police department troubles from the previous decade.

Meanwhile, we could establish a string of crimes in this neighborhood over the previous several months; we could cite racial statistics pertaining to perpetrators of property crimes, specifically those in Brunswick County, and go the extra mile of adjusting per capita, while noting the generalized demographic makeup of the Satilla Shores neighborhood in contrast to this; we could cite Arbery's criminal history, and establish multiple arrests/convictions for theft in the past three years, and also a past illegal firearm possession when one of the crime's from the neighborhood involved a stolen handgun; we could establish Arbery's predisposition to respond to the well-grounded probing of authority with an excess of hostility; we could establish with video evidence he is seen committing the crime of trespassing (and not jogging) on the day in question, as well as many days in the past; we could cite the fact that other people from the neighborhood who have witnessed him trespassing do not recognize him, also from 911 calls; we could consider we know he isn't from the neighborhood; we could establish the shooter's past 911 call wherein he identifies the man trespassing on that same property, unfamiliar to him, that apparently is the same one he and his father recognize two weeks later on the day of the shooting; we could establish the father in this duo is a police officer with a lifetime career unblemished by unlawful violence or scandal; we could establish using video evidence Arbery was the one who initiated the physical contact in the final violent struggle that resulted in him losing his life.

All of these truths are immediately relevant to this specific encounter.

Furthermore, all of this circumstantial evidence could reasonably be forwarded to demonstrate the state of mind of the McMichaels, including intent, consistent with their actions, and of course this renders their suspicion reasonable, both with and without the hindsight gained from later revelations mentioned here beyond their knowledge at the time, even if it doesn't legally justify their false arrest. Nothing about their conduct or suspicion is hateful, or racist, nor the most cogent inferences we can make to what motivated them. It has a reasonable basis even extending to the visual identification of the victim's race itself.

Yet you whimper about the victim being blamed, and cheer references to the sins of the Ku Klux Klan a century ago. Spare us the hypocrisy of your indignant reaction.

His past criminal history can't be brought up in a trial unless the person is on the stand and is directly questioned about it.

 

[milkmandanl]

The ex pig (who was removed from his job) hunted him for four minutes but don't you care imply that there might be a racial aspect to this. Georgia has NEVER had a history of hunting down and murdering black men and how dare anyone compare the similarities no matter how striking they may be.

This article about the history of the KKK and law enforcement in Georgia is fucking insane.

https://theintercept.com/2020/05/14/georgia-bureau-of-investigation-ahmaud-arbery/

nothing you wrote means this cowardly murder was racist.

 

[RoosterHucklebuck]

That video looks altered. I don’t see a tux.

I wonder who he had his car insurance with? Allstate, State Farm, Progressive maybe?

 

[milkmandanl]

I've been in a similar situation. I've had a cop go for my door handle, and I've physically blocked him.

I don't let cops in my car, period.

I was pulled over for speeding probably 8 years ago by a state trooper. After I denied his request to search, he got me out of the vehicle, and despite my denying his request, he went for the door handle anyway. I stepped in front of him and told him that he didn't have my consent to a search. He had me sit back in my car and wait for over an hour for dogs. His supervisor came to my window and talked to me and they left. There was no probably cause, and I imagine the supervisor wasn't happy to be pulled out with K9 unit over a speeding ticket.

Never got that ticket, by the way.

I consider that white privilege.

good for you getting a claim against that white privilege!! I remember the 1st time I was arrested in SoCal....cop beat my ass pretty good once we got to lockup...I also got a ticket...the white privilege dept rejected my claim though...

 

[A Lurker]

good for you getting a claim against that white privilege!! I remember the 1st time I was arrested in SoCal....cop beat my ass pretty good once we got to lockup...I also got a ticket...the white privilege dept rejected my claim though...

A good friend of mine, when she was in her twenties, got pulled over by a cop; at the time she was:

• Doing at least 20 mph over the limit
• Not wearing a belt
• Dancing whilst driving
• at least a couple of cocktails down range (hence the dancing)
• almost certainly carrying something she shouldn't be

She received a warning, nothing more nothing less (no she didn't blow him). She also sped off following their little chat.

There are levels to privilege.

 

[milkmandanl]

That's my favorite part of arguing for the law but not morality, Georgias laws were written by White Supremacists and enforced by these nice fellas.


Now watch motherfuckers are going to be more upset with me bringing up white supremacists historical links to law enforcement than the fact that the KKK ran the Georgia Beareu of Investigation and infiltrated almost every law enforcement agency in the state lmao.

Oh shit @sickc0d3r I forgot to link the article again.
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/14/georgia-bureau-of-investigation-ahmaud-arbery/

I find it funny as hell, that someone from one of the most corrupt state and city in our GREAT nation....is complaining about another corrupt city and state...funny

 

[Officer Rick]

Oh look it's another idiot locking young black men into a hell on earth. They can't be allowed to think that their choices matter, and being a threatening jackass limits their options. We need to keep them with a chip on their shoulder.

You are far worse than any klansman because your racism is more sinister. You promote the bigotry of low expectations. Young black men can't possible have lives worth living without you and your anti-white revolutionary cause. They can't possibly prosper by exercising self-control and creativity, and hard work. They need an all powerful god like you to give them special access.

Seek professional help

 

[milkmandanl]

A good friend of mine, when she was in her twenties, got pulled over by a cop; at the time she was:

• Doing at least 20 mph over the limit
• Not wearing a belt
• Dancing whilst driving
• at least a couple of cocktails down range (hence the dancing)
• almost certainly carrying something she shouldn't be

She received a warning, nothing more nothing less (no she didn't blow him). She also sped off following their little chat.

There are levels to privilege.

yes there are levels....2 good friends of mine when we were teenagers...entered a house that was under construction and partied in it...the police came and sent in 2 K9’s....they came out in shredded clothes, bitten, chewed up , bruised and beaten....again, the white privilege dept rejected their claim...yep, there are levels to a non existent privilege based on race.

 

[Strychnine]

I'm back on mobile and going to sleep but I wanted to note how far you'd go to hand-wave what is so obviously profiling.

Not as much as a ticket given in an event in which Officer Doufus tries to tase a dude who broke no laws and had his hands out.

No drugs. No weapons. No suspicion outside of "there is regular drug activity in this park and you happen to be black in the park".

What a big ass joke.

That entire police department is a joke.

 

[Strychnine]

Oh snap!!
The sister of one of the shooters had a trophy pic of his dead lifeless body!!!

Gonna be hard to claim self defense and remorse when take a friggin picture of the body with your phone and share it..

https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/siste...r-posted-picture-of-his-body-to-snapchat/amp/

Well they are in the Deep South, so it's pretty common to screw your brother.

<---Yes, I'm aware of the irony of my statement due to my location.

 

[all caps]

It was released at the perfect time to escalate all the arguing. IMO.

Its not going to make anything better. Its going to make everything worse. IMO.

The full bodycam will be released in the coming days and be made to contradict what we see in this cut (<--Im speculating here)

Gee who could have seen this coming

This is the full video of Ahmaud Arbery's encounter with police in November 2017. The Guardian released an edited version today that omits the part where he threatens the police officer, saying:

“Bitch you hit me with that shit you gonna be fucked up”

The Guardian edited out 5 seconds of this in theirs. Those 5 seconds are from 3:05 - 3:10 of this video:

Its all so transparent

 

[vengeful]

No, one must use the vehicle offensively in a manner likely to result in serious bodily injury.

The video clearly shows it was Arbery who veered across the truck towards McMichael; as soon as McMichaels comes into frame he is backpedaling. The rest of what you wrote there is inaccurate.

1. Under Georgia law you are not required to withdraw or retreat if there is a reasonable fear for your life (not even outside your home or defending your property).
2. This one could be relevant, but there is no evidence to suggest it, and everything we know contradicts it. They did not taunt him. They sought to detain him. Furthermore, this would entail that Arbery was the aggressor in that final confrontation, by provocation, and you have already asserted you do not believe this.
3. The criminal activity must be a felony. A false arrest is a misdemeanor. Brandishing a weapon is also legal in Georgia in a dispute if it isn't aimed offensively, or wielded under threat, and otherwise decriminalized if the person isn't attempting to violently injure the other person, and it's apparent they weren't until Travis was attacked. This was discussed earlier.

The last is the one I said I would have thought would be the prosecutors strategy for attributing felonious conduct to the McMichaels. One would argue they didn't have reasonable grounds to brandish their firearm, but at the trial, I suspect their lawyer will argue these firearms were a precaution on the presumption they may be facing an armed man. This is where my post dug in on the potential escalation of simple assault to aggravated assault, so maybe this is why the prosecutors chose to charge them with aggravated assault, because otherwise, nothing about their conduct fits the definition of that in the "Crime on Person" statutes I read, and I read them all.

This is why I said it's not so cut and dry.

Now you're misreading what the law says. The law is

(

2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used
offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury;

This means you only need to use the weapon offensively.....not that the specific offensive use must result in serious bodily harm, just that the offensive use of said weapon is likely to result in serious bodily harm.

For example, two people are in an argument, one goes to their car and retrieves a baseball bat. The person with the bat raises it over his head as if he's going to swing it at the other person. The other person runs and calls the police, the guy with the baseball bat just committed aggravated assault. He never swung the bat, but he used it offensively. The offensive usage of that bat in that situation wasn't likely to cause severe bodily harm.

So yes, attempting to cut someone off with a vehicle after chasing them for minutes is aggravated assault. Getting out of the car with a shotgun after yelling commands at a person you're chasing and blocking the roadway while holding a shotgun is using the shotgun in a threatening manner and using it offensively. Walking/running over as McMichael did towards Arbery in the video is using the weapon in a threatening manner.

 

[all caps]

There are actually guys on here who call cops 'pigs?'

How corny can you get?

vvvvv

Spoiler

 

[A Lurker]

That entire police department is a joke.

a confederacy of dunces

 

[A Lurker]

Gee who could have seen this coming


Its all so transparent

To be fair though, in his position (which I cannot truly be as I have never been profiled) I would be a tad angry at being threatened with a taser for doing absolutely fuck all wrong.

 

[all caps]

To be fair though, in his position (which I cannot truly be as I have never been profiled) I would be a tad angry at being threatened with a taser for doing absolutely fuck all wrong.

I agree. Im talking the whole overarching angle though. This script is ran over and over and over and over and...

 

[ryan3434]

Meaning that he's been arrested multiple times for shoplifting.

I was watching a video that mentions Georgia as a 3 strike state. I'm not sure how many strikes, if any, AA had but if it's two that's pretty good incentive to not be detained by the 2 clowns

 

[A Lurker]

I was watching a video that mentions Georgia as a 3 strike state. I'm not sure how many strikes, if any, AA had but if it's two that's pretty good incentive to not be detained by the 2 clowns

Great point well made; because as we all know, jogging whilst black is a felony in Georgia.

 

[Hog-train]

No, one must use the vehicle offensively in a manner likely to result in serious bodily injury.

The video clearly shows it was Arbery who veered across the truck towards McMichael; as soon as McMichaels comes into frame he is backpedaling. The rest of what you wrote there is inaccurate.

This is a screenshot of the video. Look at McMichael's feet - clearly he is going TOWARD Arbery. The backpedaling only happened after they were struggling physically. McMichael's before the camera veered away was on the street divider line. When it comes back, he was already past the line TOWARD Arbery.

Below the pic is a link to the video that is slowed down.

On top of that, none of this matters because the McMichaels instigated the whole incident from the beginning when they started chasing him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/us/ahmaud-arbery-william-bryan.html

 

[A Lurker]

This is a screenshot of the video. Look at McMichael's feet - clearly he is going TOWARD Arbery. The backpedaling only happened after they were struggling physically.

Below the pic is a link to the video that is slowed down.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/us/ahmaud-arbery-william-bryan.html

Ignoring aiming the gun at him because certain people for some reason cannot see it; the fact they blocked his path with the truck and then as he tried to go around to the right, the son advanced towards him holding a gun; that's the threat. They initiated contact.

Case closed.