Afghanistan - 30 years later, US/Russia change places

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Top officials say US must confront Russia for arming Taliban
By: Robert Burns, The Associated Press, April 24, 2017 (Photo Credit: Jonathan Ernst/Pool Photo via AP)
KABUL, Afghanistan — The United States must confront Russia for providing weapons to the Taliban for use against American-backed forces in Afghanistan, top U.S. military officials said Monday.

At a news conference with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis at his side, Gen. John Nicholson, the American commander in Afghanistan, wouldn't provide specifics about Russia's role in Afghanistan. But said he would "not refute" that Moscow's involvement includes giving weapons to the Taliban.

While other U.S. officials have accused Russia of helping Taliban insurgents, Nicholson is the first to publicly indicate that such support extends to arms.

Earlier Monday, a senior U.S. military official told reporters in Kabul that Russia was giving machine guns and other medium-weight weapons. The Taliban are using the weapons in the southern provinces of Helmand, Kandahar and Uruzgan, according to the official, who briefed journalists on intelligence information on condition of anonymity.

Russia denies that it provides any such support to the Taliban, which ruled Afghanistan until the U.S.-led invasion in 2001. Russia says contacts are limited to safeguarding security and getting the hard-line religious fundamentalists to reconcile with the government — which Washington has failed for years to advance. Russia also has promoted easing global sanctions on Taliban leaders who prove cooperative.

Asked about Russia's activity in Afghanistan, where it fought a bloody war in the 1980s and withdrew in defeat, Mattis alluded to the increasing U.S. concerns.

"We'll engage with Russia diplomatically," Mattis said. "We'll do so where we can, but we're going to have to confront Russia where what they're doing is contrary to international law or denying the sovereignty of other countries."

"For example," Mattis told reporters in the Afghan capital, "any weapons being funneled here from a foreign country would be a violation of international law."

Mattis met with President Ashraf Ghani and other senior government officials just hours after the nation's defense minister and Army chief resigned over a massacre of more than 140 Afghan troops at a military base last Friday.

Nicholson also said that in view of the sophisticated planning behind the attack, "it's quite possible" that the Pakistan-based Haqqani network was responsible. The Taliban claimed it carried out the attack.

Nicholson, the top American commander in Kabul, recently told Congress that he needs a few thousand more troops to keep Afghan security forces on track to eventually handling the Taliban insurgency on their own.

Mattis on Monday offered a grim assessment for Afghan forces fighting the Taliban.

"2017 is going to be another tough year," he said.

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/top-officials-say-us-must-confront-russia-for-arming-taliban


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Who knew that foreign policy could be ironic, or have a sense of humor.

What a difference 30 years can make. In the 1980's it was the US arming "rebels" to fight the foreign occupier. Fast froward 30 years, and we have Russia arming the "rebels" to fight the foreign occupier.

Do you think 30 years from now, we will change places once more?

Discuss..........
 
Gorbachev must be laughing somewhere.
 
I don't think we will trade places again.

If Russia continues to be ruled by people like Putin and his government they will at least be smart enough to not try and globally police the world. Afghanistan is our failure ultimately because we armed the Jihadis who overthrew the Communist/stable socialist aligned Afghani government that was USSR friendly.
 
US must confront Pakistan for creating , arming, assisting and giving sanctuary to the Taleban. Without concerted Pakistani help, the Afghan Taleban would have been a spent force loong ago.

Latest news also claims that Al Qaeda's head Ayman Al Zawahiri (Bin Laden's mentor and succesor) is being protected by Pakistan inside Pakistan.

Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) has been protecting the Egyptian-born al-Zawahiri, a trained surgeon, since U.S. forces evicted Al-Qaeda from Afghanistan in late 2001, several authoritative sources tell Newsweek.

http://www.newsweek.com/ayman-al-za...-drone-strike-osama-bin-laden-pakistan-587732
 
16 years and the country is still a shithole. Let's go home
 
The russians literally took that country over, even built their own Officers clubs like on my Camp in Kabul:
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Most of our time there has been spent building up the ANA/AMP so not exactly the same comparison. Girls also go to school now there, in teh cities at least. It's shitty but there's been some advancements
 
LOL at US confronting Russia for arming Taliban when we originally armed Mujjies who later became Taliban.
 
I say it all the time here. The world is cyclic. Every event we encounter is repeated from history before us with different actors playing the role. Empires rise and fall, dark ages come followed by renaissance ages and so on. We just fail to learn each time.
 
I've heard this for a while now and don't have any reason to doubt it, but it would be funny if the lives of American soldiers weren't at stake.
 
US must confront Pakistan for creating , arming, assisting and giving sanctuary to the Taleban. Without concerted Pakistani help, the Afghan Taleban would have been a spent force loong ago.

Latest news also claims that Al Qaeda's head Ayman Al Zawahiri (Bin Laden's mentor and succesor) is being protected by Pakistan inside Pakistan.



http://www.newsweek.com/ayman-al-za...-drone-strike-osama-bin-laden-pakistan-587732

Oh yeah definitely. I mean just look at a map.... Not only is Pakistan closer, and has the same state endorsed religion and +98% Islamic population but also many overlapping ethnicities, linguistic groups, and yes similar looking and behaving people. Compare that to Russia. I mean why wouldn't Russia or China or our non-allies NOT arm the Taliban to make our job harder in a country we shouldn't even be in?

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Oh yeah definitely. I mean just look at a map.... Not only is Pakistan closer, and has the same state endorsed religion and +98% Islamic population but also many overlapping ethnicities, linguistic groups, and yes similar looking and behaving people. Compare that to Russia. I mean why wouldn't Russia or China or our non-allies NOT arm the Taliban to make our job harder in a country we shouldn't even be in?

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Russia may or may not be arming them ; I am just taking the claim with a grain of salt because the US establishment has an axe to grind against Russia, and the Western powers have had a Russophobia for a long time.
I am skeptical because why would the Taleban need Russia when they have Pakistan. And how is Russia going to ferry arms to them ; they would have to do it through Pakistan since the Northern part of Afghanistan is hardly conducive to the Taleban since they are populated by non-Pashtuns.
 
LOL at US confronting Russia for arming Taliban when we originally armed Mujjies who later became Taliban.
We didnt really
Sa is responsible for the taliban...they emerged from the next gen after the war
Raised in refugee camps (looked after by hardcore religious types usualy) and saudi funded madrassas what else could they grow up to be but fanatics?
 
I say it all the time here. The world is cyclic. Every event we encounter is repeated from history before us with different actors playing the role. Empires rise and fall, dark ages come followed by renaissance ages and so on. We just fail to learn each time.
Did you just copy some Game of Thrones intro speech from Tywin Lannister?

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Afghans just want to be free to murder gay people and beat their wives. Who are we to intervene and at our culture is better
 
We played a role, a pretty significant one too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
Matched dollar for dollar by the saudi one
And both combined still less than the private funded effort
Not that it mattered the soviet attempt was doomed from start

The taliban rose not from our interfence but from our walking away the second wed gotten what we wanted, a generation left hungry and cold instead of starving parents let them grow up in those saudi funded madrassas hearing fire and brimstone and when they burst out of course theyd be fanatical..
So you seeIt wasnt our dec to send stingers etc that created the taliban it was our refusal to care about after
 
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