Adding Godfather to my collection - should I get the trilogy or just I & II?

Crazy talk. The guy hasn't exactly been firing on all cylinders as a filmmaker for a while.

Is that all he said. No explanation or anything. Crazy shit. That’s the movie that won him an Oscar.

Surprised some people hate on The Godfather Part II. I can see saying that the original is the better film but they are extremely close in quality in my opinion. In almost every respect- acting, plot, technical work from Coppola and co.
 
Is that all he said. No explanation or anything. Crazy shit. That’s the movie that won him an Oscar.

Surprised some people hate on The Godfather Part II. I can see saying that the original is the better film but they are extremely close in quality in my opinion. In almost every respect- acting, plot, technical work from Coppola and co.

Yeah, the film is pretty much as close to beyond reproach as a film can be.

It's also like Rocky 2, in that it can be watched after the original like one long awesome movie, recapturing the look and tone without missing a beat.

Pretty impressive for Stallone to accomplish that in 1979, with just his second directing job ever and not having directed the first one.
 
Yeah, the film is pretty much as close to beyond reproach as a film can be.

It's also like Rocky 2, in that it can be watched after the original like one long awesome movie, recapturing the look and tone without missing a beat.

Pretty impressive for Stallone to accomplish that in 1979, with just his second directing job ever and not having directed the first one.

Excellent point. Rocky 2 is awesome.
 
Crazy talk. The guy hasn't exactly been firing on all cylinders as a filmmaker for a while.
Not crazy at all. The Godfather is the story of Michael Corleone's transformation. When the film ends, we already know that Michael has solid his soul. Other than the young Vito scenes, "Part II" adds nothing. It's superfluous and overall not even a good standalone film.

In 1974, Vincent Canby of the New York Times hit the nail on the head:

The only remarkable thing about Francis Ford Coppola's "The Godfather, Part II" is the insistent manner in which it recalls how much better his original film was.

Among other things, one remembers "The Godfather's" tremendous narrative drive and the dominating presence of Marlon Brando in the title role, which, though not large, unified the film and transformed a super-gangster movie into a unique family chronicle."Part II," also written by Mr. Coppola and Mario Puzo, is not a sequel in any engaging way. It's not really much of anything that can be easily defined. It's a second movie made largely out of the bits and pieces of Mr. Puzo's novel that didn't fit into the first. It's a Frankenstein's monster stitched together from leftover parts. It talks. It moves in fits and starts but it has no mind of its own. Occasionally it repeats a point made in "The Godfather" (organized crime is just another kind of American business, say) but its insights are fairly lame at this point."

The Godfather, Part II," which opened yesterday at five theaters, is not very far along before one realizes that it hasn't anything more to say. Everything of any interest was thoroughly covered in the original film, but like many people who have nothing to say, "Part II" won't shut up. Not the least of its problems is its fractured form. "Part II" moves continually back and forth in time between two distinct narratives. It's the story of the young Vito Corleone (who grew up to be played by Marlon Brando in the first movie) seen first around the turn of the century in Sicily and then in 1917 in New York, where he's played by Robert De Niro, and it's the story of Vito's son, Michael, played again by Al Pacino, the new Mafia don who sets out to control Las Vegas in the late nineteen-fifties.

One story doesn't necessarily illuminate the other, it's just additional data, like footnotes. I can't readily imagine what Mr. Coppola and Mr. Puzo were trying to do, except to turn their first film into a long parenthesis that would fit between the halves of the new movie. Even if "Part II" were a lot more cohesive, revealing and exciting than it is, it probably would have run the risk of appearing to be the self-parody it now seems. Looking very expensive but spiritually desperate, "Part II" has the air of a very long, very elaborate revue sketch. Nothing is sacred. The photography by Gordon Willis, so effective originally, is now comically fancy—the exteriors are too bright and glowy while the interiors are so dark you wonder if these Mafia chiefs can't afford to buy bigger light bulbs. Nino Rota's old score keeps thumping away like a heavenly juke box. The performers, especially those repeating their original roles, seem locked into waxily rigid attitudes. Mr. Pacino, so fine the first time out, goes through the film looking glum, sighing wearily as he orders the execution of an old associate or a brother, winding up very lonely and powerful, which is just about the way he wound up before.

Mr. De Niro, one of our best young actors, is interesting as the young Vito until, toward the end of his section of the film, he starts giving a nightclub imitation of Mr. Brando's elderly Vito. There are a couple of notable exceptions. Lee Strasberg, the head of the Actors Studio, makes an extraordinarily effective screen debut as Hyman Roth, the powerful Jewish mobster (reportedly modeled on Meyer Lansky) with whom Michael attempts to take over the Havana rackets under the Battista regime. Mr. Strasberg's Roth is a fascinating mixture of lust, ruthlessness and chicken soup. Michael V. Gazzo, the playwright ("A Hatful of Rain"), is also superb as a Corleone captain who crosses the Family.

Another more or less nonpro, G. D. Spradlin (a former politician, according to publicity sources) is absolutely right as a crooked, very WASPish United States Senator from Nevada.The plot defies any rational synopsis, but it allows Mr. Coppola, in his role as director, to rework lots of scenes that were done far better the first time: family reunions, shoot-outs, ambushes and occasional dumb exchanges between Don Michael Corleone and his square, long-suffering wife, Kay (Diane Keaton). "Oh, Michael," says the slow-to-take-offense Kay when Michael is about to sew up the Vegas rackets, "seven years ago you told me you'd be legitimate in five years.""Part II's" dialogue often sounds like cartoon captions.​
 
Sofia is hard to watch in part 3...so you almost have to ignore her. If you dont it can become difficult in a lot of scenes.

I liked part 3 and its theme, especially the ending. Zasa is a great character, and they bring back a few favorites from part 1.

If you read the book you'll understand why part 2 is slightly overrated as half of what people loved about it is supposed to be in the first movie. When you watch it in chronological order, the other parts of part 2 really seem bland with the exception of michael and fredos interaction.

All this said, nothing beats the book. Lots of shit left out that is amazing for the characters.

Book Luca is the Devil and makes his death all the more impactful
 
I have no intention on watching part 3. You can get the trilogy for $25-30 or you can buy the first 2 individually for $10 a piece = $20 total. Part of me just wants to get the first 2, save $10 bucks and I can pretend like part 3 never existed. Or should I get the trilogy for completions sake?
Trilogy
 
Book Luca is the Devil and makes his death all the more impactful

Yeah, my only qualm with Brando's performance in the whole movie is that in the scene where Duvall tells him Luca wants to see him, Vito comes off more as viewing Brasi as insignificant than having fear and trepidation concerning him. But then again, that was kind of neutered when Luca was presented as super nervous before the meeting... I imagine if FFC hadn't decided to actually film Lenny Montana rehearsing and include it in the final cut, Brando might well have read as fearful of Luca.

It still works in the movie overall as just building up Don Vito even more...
 
Not crazy at all. The Godfather is the story of Michael Corleone's transformation. When the film ends, we already know that Michael has solid his soul. Other than the young Vito scenes, "Part II" adds nothing. It's superfluous and overall not even a good standalone film.

In 1974, Vincent Canby of the New York Times hit the nail on the head:

The only remarkable thing about Francis Ford Coppola's "The Godfather, Part II" is the insistent manner in which it recalls how much better his original film was.

Among other things, one remembers "The Godfather's" tremendous narrative drive and the dominating presence of Marlon Brando in the title role, which, though not large, unified the film and transformed a super-gangster movie into a unique family chronicle."Part II," also written by Mr. Coppola and Mario Puzo, is not a sequel in any engaging way. It's not really much of anything that can be easily defined. It's a second movie made largely out of the bits and pieces of Mr. Puzo's novel that didn't fit into the first. It's a Frankenstein's monster stitched together from leftover parts. It talks. It moves in fits and starts but it has no mind of its own. Occasionally it repeats a point made in "The Godfather" (organized crime is just another kind of American business, say) but its insights are fairly lame at this point."

The Godfather, Part II," which opened yesterday at five theaters, is not very far along before one realizes that it hasn't anything more to say. Everything of any interest was thoroughly covered in the original film, but like many people who have nothing to say, "Part II" won't shut up. Not the least of its problems is its fractured form. "Part II" moves continually back and forth in time between two distinct narratives. It's the story of the young Vito Corleone (who grew up to be played by Marlon Brando in the first movie) seen first around the turn of the century in Sicily and then in 1917 in New York, where he's played by Robert De Niro, and it's the story of Vito's son, Michael, played again by Al Pacino, the new Mafia don who sets out to control Las Vegas in the late nineteen-fifties.

One story doesn't necessarily illuminate the other, it's just additional data, like footnotes. I can't readily imagine what Mr. Coppola and Mr. Puzo were trying to do, except to turn their first film into a long parenthesis that would fit between the halves of the new movie. Even if "Part II" were a lot more cohesive, revealing and exciting than it is, it probably would have run the risk of appearing to be the self-parody it now seems. Looking very expensive but spiritually desperate, "Part II" has the air of a very long, very elaborate revue sketch. Nothing is sacred. The photography by Gordon Willis, so effective originally, is now comically fancy—the exteriors are too bright and glowy while the interiors are so dark you wonder if these Mafia chiefs can't afford to buy bigger light bulbs. Nino Rota's old score keeps thumping away like a heavenly juke box. The performers, especially those repeating their original roles, seem locked into waxily rigid attitudes. Mr. Pacino, so fine the first time out, goes through the film looking glum, sighing wearily as he orders the execution of an old associate or a brother, winding up very lonely and powerful, which is just about the way he wound up before.

Mr. De Niro, one of our best young actors, is interesting as the young Vito until, toward the end of his section of the film, he starts giving a nightclub imitation of Mr. Brando's elderly Vito. There are a couple of notable exceptions. Lee Strasberg, the head of the Actors Studio, makes an extraordinarily effective screen debut as Hyman Roth, the powerful Jewish mobster (reportedly modeled on Meyer Lansky) with whom Michael attempts to take over the Havana rackets under the Battista regime. Mr. Strasberg's Roth is a fascinating mixture of lust, ruthlessness and chicken soup. Michael V. Gazzo, the playwright ("A Hatful of Rain"), is also superb as a Corleone captain who crosses the Family.

Another more or less nonpro, G. D. Spradlin (a former politician, according to publicity sources) is absolutely right as a crooked, very WASPish United States Senator from Nevada.The plot defies any rational synopsis, but it allows Mr. Coppola, in his role as director, to rework lots of scenes that were done far better the first time: family reunions, shoot-outs, ambushes and occasional dumb exchanges between Don Michael Corleone and his square, long-suffering wife, Kay (Diane Keaton). "Oh, Michael," says the slow-to-take-offense Kay when Michael is about to sew up the Vegas rackets, "seven years ago you told me you'd be legitimate in five years.""Part II's" dialogue often sounds like cartoon captions.​

Well, I agree about the performances of Spradlin, Strasberg and Gazzo. They were excellent.

I disagree about the movie being directionless. Even if FFC himself didn't intend it, or has forgotten what he intended, I took the film as an effective story about a family oriented Vito building a tight family, while also setting in motion a parallel story where Michael tears it apart.
 
Sofia is hard to watch in part 3...so you almost have to ignore her. If you dont it can become difficult in a lot of scenes.

I liked part 3 and its theme, especially the ending. Zasa is a great character, and they bring back a few favorites from part 1.

If you read the book you'll understand why part 2 is slightly overrated as half of what people loved about it is supposed to be in the first movie. When you watch it in chronological order, the other parts of part 2 really seem bland with the exception of michael and fredos interaction.

All this said, nothing beats the book. Lots of shit left out that is amazing for the characters.

Zasa is good but Joe Spinell returning as Willi Cicci in that role would have been truly great.

It was nice to see old Al Ruscio in part III as one of the dons, but it would have been nice if he'd been given a bit of a character to flesh out. Oh well...
 
Well, I agree about the performance of Spradlin, Strasberg and Gazzo. They were excellent.

I disagree about the movie being directionless. Even if FFC himself didn't intend it, or has forgotten what he intended, I took the film as an effective story about a family oriented Vito building a tight family, while also setting in motion a parallel story where Michael tears it apart.

Very well said. Completely agree.

And the funny thing is Canby seems to have little regard for the Michael storyline in that one but praises (rightly so) Spradlin, Gazzo, and Strasberg's work. They are a pretty huge portion of Michael's storyline in that film.

That scene between Geary and Michael is classic.

As is:



and

 
I would just buy the boxset. I mean it is pretty cool looking with the blood sprawled across the case and it’s not like III is a terrible movie. FYI you can get it for like $15 on eBay. The one with the white case is a little more pricey but I think it’s limited to like 45,000 copies.
 
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