Aajonus Vonderplanitz's Raw Primal Diet

[Beast4rmDaEast]

I'm wondering if anyone here has ever heard of or tried a raw primal diet. I've been on this system since August 29, 2009 and have dropped from almost 200 lbs to 160 lbs with minimum effort. I sleep less, my muscles heal faster, I rarely get sore, my mind is more clear, my bench press went up from 275lbs to 335lbs, and I feel like I've never been this energetic in my life!

It's very similar to Cordain's system but differs by promoting raw uncooked, unprocessed fruits/non-starchy vegetables/meats/organ-meats/eggs, dairy, and aged, raw animal food products such as century eggs, seafood and kefirs.

Unlike Cordain's system, the diet doesn't stress on acquiring lean meat all the time, but rather on selecting meat from organically fed animals. Vonderplanitz's stresses that enzymes, unaltered fats, proteins and sugars in raw foods are paramount to health, and reversing most diseases.

Animal feedlots should be free of pesticides and chemicals. Antibiotics, hormones and drugs should not be be permitted for animal consumption or injection (the bones and glands become toxic and these toxins damage the person who eats them).

It's primarily based on the premise that we, modern humans are genetically adapted to the diet of our Paleolithic ancestors and our genes much less have remained the same since the end of the Paleolithic era (<=20,000 years ago). Therefore it concludes, an ideal diet for human health and well-being is one that resembles our ancestral diet.

 

[Urban]

I support grass fed, organic, and free range meats as well as wild game consumption as being MUCH healthier than the industrialized alternatives... however, this raw shit has got to stop.

It's primarily based on the premise that we, modern humans are genetically adapted to the diet of our Paleolithic ancestors and our genes much less have remained the same since the end of the Paleolithic era (<=20,000 years ago). Therefore it concludes, an ideal diet for human health and well-being is one that resembles our ancestral diet.

Man has been cooking for over 700,000 years by the most conservative estimates. THAT is long enough to physically adapt to it. what's more, certain things like hearty greens are NOT very nutritionally bioavailable in their raw form due to tough cell walls we lack the enzymatic power to break down.

IMO, rare steak and lightly steamed veggies seem like the way to go for me.

 

[Timma]

im not gunna eat raw meat...

 

[Bay2LA]

I wonder if you would feel just as good if you ate the same diet but cooked the meat. Was your diet paleo before you went raw? The increase in energy might come from getting off of grains, especially wheat and muscle recovery from the increase in meat and vegetables. Just a thought

 

[Toastytoy]

im not gunna eat raw meat...

why? raw beef is really good.

 

[Urban]

I've eaten a couple raw ribeyes (some smoked seasalt goes a long way for these), and even some damn good carpacio (mmm... balsamic vinegar reduction...), but I've never liked steak tartar. just mash that shit into a patty and grill it for me. something about the texture leaves me wanting.

 

[paolo27th]

I've eaten a couple raw ribeyes (some smoked seasalt goes a long way for these), and even some damn good carpacio (mmm... balsamic vinegar reduction...), but I've never liked steak tartar. just mash that shit into a patty and grill it for me. something about the texture leaves me wanting.

Carpaccio! Damm it! Sometimes I miss Italy!

 

[Beast4rmDaEast]

I support grass fed, organic, and free range meats as well as wild game consumption as being MUCH healthier than the industrialized alternatives... however, this raw shit has got to stop.

Man has been cooking for over 700,000 years by the most conservative estimates. THAT is long enough to physically adapt to it. what's more, certain things like hearty greens are NOT very nutritionally bioavailable in their raw form due to tough cell walls we lack the enzymatic power to break down.

IMO, rare steak and lightly steamed veggies seem like the way to go for me.

Case and point, heat denatures nutrients.

• At 110 degrees F, two of the 8 essential amino acids found in meat products, tryptophan and lysine, are destroyed.

When food is cooked above 117 degrees F for only three minutes or longer,the following deleterious changes begin and progressively cause increased nutritional damage as higher temperatures are applied over prolonged periods of time:

1. proteins coagulate (change from a liquid to a thickened or solid state)
2. high temperatures denature protein molecular structure, leading to deficiency of some essential amino acids (destroys structure of protein)
3. carbohydrates caramelize (prevents our bodies from using them as energy sources; ash-like toxins)
4. overly heated fats generate numerous carcinogens including acrolein, nitrosamines, hydrocarbons, and benzopyrene (one of the most potent cancer-causing agents known)
5. natural fibers break down
6. cellulose is completely changed from its natural condition: it loses its ability to sweep the alimentary canal clean
7. 30% to 50% of vitamins and minerals are destroyed
8. 100% of enzymes are damaged, the body's enzyme potential is depleted which drains energy needed to maintain and repair tissue and organ systems, thereby shortening the life span.
9. When proteins are subjected to high heat during cooking, enzyme resistant linkages are formed between the amino acid chains. The body cannot separate these amino acids. What the body cannot use, it must eliminate. Cooked proteins become a source of toxicity: dead organic waste material acted upon and elaborated by bacterial flora.

RAW FOOD Characteristics and Health Benefits
by Dr. Maya Nicole Baylac

Of all the million species on earth that thrive on raw food, we're the only ones that apply heat to ours.

On average, we die at or below half of our potential life span due to chronic illnesses, largely related to our diet and lifestyle.

Domesticated pets also suffer from human-like chronic ailments (cancer, arthritis, and other degenerative diseases) due to food denatured by heat (cooked, processed, packaged).

 

[Beast4rmDaEast]

Of all the species on earth, we are also the only ones to do a lot of things, like sit at the top of the food chain for example.

This is a strange anomaly that I don't understand myself.

Diet and lifestyle, and not eating raw meat are two very different things. It is quite possible to be healthy and eat cooked meat all at the same time.

You can have a six pack and be unhealthy. Habitual heat denatured nutrition impairs long-term health & well-being.

Dogs are not people. I'm pretty sure I've seen dogs eat their own shit and be fine. Still, I'm all for giving them raw meat.

Domesticated pets also suffer from human-like chronic ailments (cancer, arthritis, and other degenerative diseases) due to food denatured by heat (cooked, processed, packaged).

Cows and pigs are fed poultry litter (fecal matter, feathers) for nutrition.

It's not harmful unless the animal is eating chemicals, and being injected with toxicity. Fecal matter is predigest matter, that the body didn't have time to absorb all of. A lot of animals eat them, and their healthy with them.

 

[ooitzoo]

Case and point, heat denatures nutrients.

• At 110 degrees F, two of the 8 essential amino acids found in meat products, tryptophan and lysine, are destroyed.

When food is cooked above 117 degrees F for only three minutes or longer,the following deleterious changes begin and progressively cause increased nutritional damage as higher temperatures are applied over prolonged periods of time:

1. proteins coagulate (change from a liquid to a thickened or solid state)
2. high temperatures denature protein molecular structure, leading to deficiency of some essential amino acids (destroys structure of protein)
3. carbohydrates caramelize (prevents our bodies from using them as energy sources; ash-like toxins)
4. overly heated fats generate numerous carcinogens including acrolein, nitrosamines, hydrocarbons, and benzopyrene (one of the most potent cancer-causing agents known)
5. natural fibers break down
6. cellulose is completely changed from its natural condition: it loses its ability to sweep the alimentary canal clean
7. 30% to 50% of vitamins and minerals are destroyed
8. 100% of enzymes are damaged, the body's enzyme potential is depleted which drains energy needed to maintain and repair tissue and organ systems, thereby shortening the life span.
9. When proteins are subjected to high heat during cooking, enzyme resistant linkages are formed between the amino acid chains. The body cannot separate these amino acids. What the body cannot use, it must eliminate. Cooked proteins become a source of toxicity: dead organic waste material acted upon and elaborated by bacterial flora.

RAW FOOD Characteristics and Health Benefits
by Dr. Maya Nicole Baylac

Of all the million species on earth that thrive on raw food, we're the only ones that apply heat to ours.

On average, we die at or below half of our potential life span due to chronic illnesses, largely related to our diet and lifestyle.

Domesticated pets also suffer from human-like chronic ailments (cancer, arthritis, and other degenerative diseases) due to food denatured by heat (cooked, processed, packaged).

Interesting, so how long would we survive with parasites in our bowls and constant bacterial infections from not cooking our food?

Also, your logic is flawed. We're also the only animals to wear clothes; guess we should venture out into 10F weather naked? Let's see how long we'd survive then.

And where does the "half our potential lifespans" come from? Its easily proven that domesticated animals live WAYYYYYY longer then their wild counterparts.

 

[Vedic]

I'm wondering if anyone here has ever heard of or tried a raw primal diet. I've been on this system since August 29, 2009 and have dropped from almost 200 lbs to 160 lbs with minimum effort. I sleep less, my muscles heal faster, I rarely get sore, my mind is more clear, my bench press went up from 275lbs to 335lbs, and I feel like I've never been this energetic in my life!

It's very similar to Cordain's system but differs by promoting raw uncooked, unprocessed fruits/non-starchy vegetables/meats/organ-meats/eggs, dairy, and aged, raw animal food products such as century eggs, seafood and kefirs.

Unlike Cordain's system, the diet doesn't stress on acquiring lean meat all the time, but rather on selecting meat from organically fed animals. Vonderplanitz's stresses that enzymes, unaltered fats, proteins and sugars in raw foods are paramount to health, and reversing most diseases.

Animal feedlots should be free of pesticides and chemicals. Antibiotics, hormones and drugs should not be be permitted for animal consumption or injection (the bones and glands become toxic and these toxins damage the person who eats them).

It's primarily based on the premise that we, modern humans are genetically adapted to the diet of our Paleolithic ancestors and our genes much less have remained the same since the end of the Paleolithic era (<=20,000 years ago). Therefore it concludes, an ideal diet for human health and well-being is one that resembles our ancestral diet.

Have you read Cordains work? All you are doing is the same thing, with dairy. Groundbreaking:icon_lol: That's what crossfit football does (which diet was made by Robb, Dr. Cordains lead research assistant).

So yes for the record, almost everyone here eats that way, we just don't use a gimmick name for it.:icon_chee

 

[Beast4rmDaEast]

Interesting, so how long would we survive with parasites in our bowls and constant bacterial infections from not cooking our food?

Also, your logic is flawed. We're also the only animals to wear clothes; guess we should venture out into 10F weather naked? Let's see how long we'd survive then.

And where does the "half our potential lifespans" come from? Its easily proven that domesticated animals live WAYYYYYY longer then their wild counterparts.

Bacteria, unless manmade, and parasites are a form of detoxification. Aajonas describes them as symbionts that help to clean up dead, toxic matter within the body, and that since cooked-food-eaters have more toxic material in the body, they are more likely to suffer from side-effects.

 

[Zalach]

Not cooking meats increases your risks for various illnesses. If you're okay with that increased risk, then carry on...

 

[Beast4rmDaEast]

Not cooking meats increases your risks for various illnesses. If you're okay with that increased risk, then carry on...

Such as?

 

[ooitzoo]

Bacteria, unless manmade, and parasites are a form of detoxification. Aajonas describes them as symbionts that help to clean up dead, toxic matter within the body, and that since cooked-food-eaters have more toxic material in the body, they are more likely to suffer from side-effects.

What?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

You think tape-worm is a symbionts that helps you clean up? I mean, really?

Parasites and Foodborne Illness

The statement on bacteria is equally disturbing; you do understand that ALOT of people around the world DIE because of this right?

Also, how in blue fuck you do know that cooked food eaters have more toxic material in the body? Is there anything to back this up? How do you define "toxic materials"?

If the paleo human was so bad ass then why were life expectancies a fraction of ours? Around 30 years old.

Life Expectancy in Prehistory: How long did our Prehistoric Ancestors live? | Suite101.com

I really hate it when someone goes out and spouts this crap. Can you lose weight this way? Sure, but that's more likely due to an appropriate macro-nutrient profile then it is to eating raw chicken. Moreover, its dangerous to suggest we return our "ancestral roots" since its VERY clear that (as a whole) we are healthier/stronger/smarter then our ancestors. There is a reason we cook our food, there is a reason we wear clothing, and there is a reason why we have computers while our ancestors had none of these and died at the age of 25.

 

[ooitzoo]

Such as?

Its common sense broseph. If parasites are so good for you then why don't you consume them exclusively:

 

[Beast4rmDaEast]

Have you read Cordains work? All you are doing is the same thing, with dairy. Groundbreaking:icon_lol: That's what crossfit football does (which diet was made by Robb, Dr. Cordains lead research assistant).

So yes for the record, almost everyone here eats that way, we just don't use a gimmick name for it.:icon_chee

Talking about gimmicks, Cordain half-assed system seems like it. I read his books (The Paleo Diet & The Paleo Diet for Athletes) and wasn't too slightly pleased with them. Perhaps its good for beginners or someone transitioning from unhealthy eating habits. But I wouldn't want to transition to it permanently. The whole notion of primarily eating lean meats, trimming visible fats, is a liability I'm guessing. He doesn't want one of his readers to suffer from some sort of diseases or heavy weight gain & try to blame/sue him. Also so his readers will lose some weight(because of the caloric restriction) while new to the diet. Cordain is merely trying to reach the mass-market so he allows people to cheat.

I find his system quite misleading, and incorrect. He doesn't mention anything on how heat denatures food nor of its effects on the human body. He simply avoids dairy because it's denatured by heat (pasteurized), but yet eats cooked meat and steams his vegetables.

I also understand that hes trying to reach a main stream audience to increase revenue. So suggesting raw meat would be corporate suicide since it's a taboo subject. I feel like it's a bitch move, and hes selling out. By suggesting to trim off visible fats, cook with flaxseed oil, replace lard with nut/fruit oil.

 

[immovablestone]

So suggesting raw meat would be corporate suicide since it's a taboo subject.

Wait till my book on Cannibalism comes out, if you think your tapeworms and salmonella are hardcore and taboo. Raw foodists are pussies, eat people!

 

[ooitzoo]

Talking about gimmicks, Cordain half-assed system seems like it. I read his books (The Paleo Diet & The Paleo Diet for Athletes) and wasn't too slightly pleased with them. Perhaps its good for beginners or someone transitioning from unhealthy eating habits. But I wouldn't want to transition to it permanently. The whole notion of primarily eating lean meats, trimming visible fats, is a liability I'm guessing. He doesn't want one of his readers to suffer from some sort of diseases or heavy weight gain & try to blame/sue him. Also so his readers will lose some weight(because of the caloric restriction) while new to the diet. Cordain is merely trying to reach the mass-market so he allows people to cheat.

I find his system quite misleading, and incorrect. He doesn't mention anything on how heat denatures food nor of its effects on the human body. He simply avoids dairy because it's denatured by heat (pasteurized), but yet eats cooked meat and steams his vegetables.

I also understand that hes trying to reach a main stream audience to increase revenue. So suggesting raw meat would be corporate suicide since it's a taboo subject. I feel like it's a bitch move, and hes selling out. By suggesting to trim off visible fats, cook with flaxseed oil, replace lard with nut/fruit oil.

Right, but eating potentially deadly bacteria/parasites is perfectly acceptable...ok, I guess

 

[stewy37]

Also, your logic is flawed. We're also the only animals to wear clothes; guess we should venture out into 10F weather naked? Let's see how long we'd survive then.

I think my favorite counter-argument to the "we're the only species that does ___" is something along the lines of "Oh yeah? We're the only species that has a fucking space shuttle."