A question to the Christians

[UpaLoompa]

no religion gets more poop hurled upon it save for Judaism than Christianity. this is a non arguable fact rage.

If this is an inarguable fact, do you have concrete support for this amount of poop? Is that adjusted by number of participants (poopies not poopers)? Metric units only please.

Regardless, as the poster to whom you responded alluded, if the highly religious posters in this forum were born in the middle east they'd pretty much be guaranteed to be muslim fanatics.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

no religion gets more poop hurled upon it save for Judaism than Christianity. this is a non arguable fact rage.

my only thing is why is that. because followers of Christ wont come behead you if you draw Christ with a rainbow behind him as to make some gay connection?

I see you and Bukowski's post and the anger and vitriol you two have towards Christianity is disheartening tbh. I don't know what made you two so angry towards Christianity all I'll say is only read what Jesus and Paul said for Christians to do and how to behave. any other example of out ward behavior from people that call themselves Christians MUST be taken with a grain of salt.

Christians are still people with all the pressure of a sensual environment and normal human failings to deal with. accepting Christ as your lord and savior does not make you a perfect moral agent after baptism, the holy spirit guides you internally and convits you of immoral acts in the conscious to the point where you know longer enjoy them.

I use to be a sex/porn addict by the grace of god and the internal guide of the holy spirit convicting me when I use to watch it I've been porn free for over five years now.

and some of the questions I've seen raised here in these Christian bashing threads is "if god is so good and loving why does he allow things like natural disasters, or newtown,connecticut, or any host of vile things that go down ....that's a legit question in my opinion I've pondered that to .

I 'll try to answer it in that what ever man allows on the earth god will allow. once sin entered the earth god took a step back if you will because you need a flesh suit to be in this realm. I know I know it gets to be a lil stretch of the imagination.

if you go into the islam debates, I firecely defend christianity as well, not the religion it self but christians.

Dont get me wrong, christianity is as ridiculous as any other religion, but its not a problematic religion as islam is for example, not a violent religion (though man has done horrible things in the name of christianity).

And theres nothing wrong with being a sex addict. Porn would fuck your sex life after a while, so I agree, the less porn the better.

 

[ripskater]

If this is an inarguable fact, do you have concrete support for this amount of poop? Is that adjusted by number of participants? Metric units only please.

Regardless, as the poster to whom you responded alluded, if the highly religious posters in this forum were born in the middle east they'd pretty much be guaranteed to be muslim fanatics.

Do you think you would be a Muslim fanatic if you were born in the Middle East?

 

[ripskater]

They require that where you live . . . seriously?

22+ years ago all we had to do was the STD blood test.

Evidently they stopped it. I don't know when though.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Do you think you would be a Muslim fanatic if you were born in the Middle East?

No but I'm pretty damn sure you would be.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Dont get me wrong, christianity is as ridiculous as any other religion, but its not a problematic religion as islam is for example, not a violent religion (though man has done horrible things in the name of christianity). at least.

That's currently the case. However, day-to-day christianity and christians affect me far more profoundly than any other religion. Christian religious intrusion into the schools, public policy, and politics has direct effects on me.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Do you think you would be a Muslim fanatic if you were born in the Middle East?

and you think you would not?

 

[ripskater]

and you think you would not?

If I had Muslim parents I would probably be Muslim for a while until God revealed himself to me.

Some Muslims have had dreams where Jesus visited them. After that, they became Christians.

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[Social Distance Warrior]

If I had Muslim parents I would probably be Muslim for a while until God revealed himself to me.

Some Muslims have had dreams where Jesus visited them. After that, they became Christians.

You do realize that Muslims do believe in Jesus Christ, right?

You do know that Jesus Christ is the most mentioned and quoted prophet in the Qu'ran, right?

You also realize that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all believe in the same monotheistic God, right?

 

[BJJ_Rage]

If I had Muslim parents I would probably be Muslim for a while until God revealed himself to me.

Some Muslims have had dreams where Jesus visited them. After that, they became Christians.

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Yeah, just like christians turn muslims

 

[BJJ_Rage]

If I had Muslim parents I would probably be Muslim for a while until God revealed himself to me.

Some Muslims have had dreams where Jesus visited them. After that, they became Christians.

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Yeah, just like christians turn muslims



it goes both ways, nutjobs will turn side, but normally stay nutjobs.

 

[dontsnitch]

You also realize that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all believe in the same monotheistic God, right?

This is arguable.

At what point does God become a different entity, depending on the characteristics you impose on him?

Imagine that I believe that President Obama is the president of France. That he is a white man who is not married and has conservative policies. Do I believe in the "same" man that you do? I would say no. These religions change the nature of God so that he is an entirely different God.

 

[UpaLoompa]

If I had Muslim parents I would probably be Muslim for a while until God revealed himself to me.

Some Muslims have had dreams where Jesus visited them. After that, they became Christians.

You were raised according to christian fundamentalist beliefs and live according to christian fundamentalist teachings. You would be a muslim fundamentalist and God wouldn't reveal anything different because those revelations are a product of your existing belief system.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

This is arguable.

At what point does God become a different entity, depending on the characteristics you impose on him?

Imagine that I believe that President Obama is the president of France. That he is a white man who is not married and has conservative policies. Do I believe in the "same" man that you do? I would say no. These religions change the nature of God so that he is an entirely different God.

This too is debatable..

from my understanding, Muslims trace the lineage to the same monotheistic, Abrahamic God through Ishamael, whereas Christians do it through Isaac.

It's the same all powerful, Monotheistic God, the same one who made revelations to Moses, Jesus, Abraham found in both the bible and qu'ran.

 

[dontsnitch]

This too is debatable..

from my understanding, Muslims trace the lineage to the same monotheistic, Abrahamic God through Ishamael, whereas Christians do it through Isaac.

It's the same all powerful, Monotheistic God, the same one who made revelations to Moses, Jesus, Abraham found in both the bible and qu'ran.

Yes, Ishmael is the root of Islam, but they split from Yahweh, obviously. The fact that they are separate religions, with different names, different commands, different tenets, different attitudes, different prophets, different salvation messages, etc. etc. is great proof that they are not the same God, not unlike my Obama analogy.

You can say they share the same roots, Abrahamic ones, but that hardly means they worship the same God.

 

[ripskater]

You were raised according to christian fundamentalist beliefs and life according to christian fundamentalist teachings. You would be a muslim fundamentalist and God wouldn't reveal anything different because those revelations are a product of your existing belief system.

You never listened to the reasons I've stated in the past that I believe in Jesus. And those incidents did not involve my parents.

Also, In before LI calls me a troll again.

 

[UpaLoompa]

You never listened to the reasons I've stated in the past that I believe in Jesus. And those incidents did not involve my parents.

Those incidents were colored by your existing belief system.

 

[ucunc156]

Yes, Ishmael is the root of Islam, but they split from Yahweh, obviously. The fact that they are separate religions, with different names, different commands, different tenets, different attitudes, different prophets, different salvation messages, etc. etc. is great proof that they are not the same God, not unlike my Obama analogy.

You can say they share the same roots, Abrahamic ones, but that hardly means they worship the same God.

eh imo its the same god. just different teachings handed down, with some being more right than others imo. Catholics and Protests are undoubtedly the same God, so why can't Jews and Muslims count as the same God as well? because they don't accept the same prophet? Its like learning multiplication via common core vs the old way. Two different roads to get to the same right answer. Totally different practices. Is one way necessarily right and not the other? in practice yes, but in reality no. likewise with religion.

 

[dontsnitch]

eh imo its the same god. just different teachings handed down, with some being more right than others imo. Catholics and Protests are undoubtedly the same God, so why can't Jews and Muslims count as the same God as well? because they don't accept the same prophet? Its like learning multiplication via common core vs the old way. Two different roads to get to the same right answer. Totally different practices. Is one way necessarily right and not the other? in practice yes, but in reality no. likewise with religion.

It's not the same answer, it's a totally different answer, that's the point. This perspective is somewhat self-refuting, because Christianity teaches that Christ IS God. So how can Islam worships the same God if they reject Christ as the Messiah?

I can accept that they share roots, and there may have been a time where this argument would have made sense, but it no longer does.

 

[Kiddo716]

Yes, Ishmael is the root of Islam, but they split from Yahweh, obviously. The fact that they are separate religions, with different names, different commands, different tenets, different attitudes, different prophets, different salvation messages, etc. etc. is great proof that they are not the same God, not unlike my Obama analogy.

You can say they share the same roots, Abrahamic ones, but that hardly means they worship the same God.

it's great proof that it's man-made, not supernatural. someone didn't like the way business was being handled so they tweaked the rules and started their own religion. repeat the steps and that's how you get so many different religions with similar stories.