A question about the legendary bas vs jason delucia / voodoo/ ninjas poisoning ken shamrock in japan thread

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Yeah i gotta work on that thread title lol i know.

Anyway, i have been nostalgic and i was perusing this old classic from 21 years ago -

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/q-for-jason-delucia.163309/


i was a member here when that happened and i remember the thread but it's probably been over a decade since i reread it. Man i miss how the forum was in those days. Posters wrote SO much better back then! Even the insults were more biting back then! What happened?! A thread from 20 years ago clearly illustrates the dumbing down of people over time. But that's beside the point.


i have a question about this thread. Who was @Bas's Lil Sis? Lol it's obvious that person wasn't bas rutten's sister. who knows if he even has a sister? Does this sound like a dutch woman to you? or a woman at all?



[IMG alt="Bas's Lil Sis"]https://sherdog-data.community.forum/avatars/m/25/25131.jpg?1449706539[/IMG]

Bas's Lil Sis​

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Well, Well, Well.... Mr. Moral!

Morality... lol!

Websters deffinition of moral: pertaining to the principles of right or wrong in accordance with standards of the right conduct. You refer to morality as you openly admit to the world that you practice black magic (vodoo) and use it against people. You say Bas is not the fighter that the world thinks he is, but yet you openly admit you need vodoo to help win against him. I find your response to Bas very contradictory to say the least. I think that you are suffering from some form of memory loss. First the spelling, now the real account of how things went down. I usually do not participate in such juvenile confrontations however, I feel the need to clarify a couple of things. Bas is out of the country and need not be burden by this adolecent rambling (I won't waste his time by telling him). So, with all of that being said, I will remind you of a couple of dates you are confused on.

1.The drawing...

You gave Bas the drawing before he fought Frank for the third time. He won that fight by a TKO. Just to remind you, there is a date on the drawing (did you forget)? Therefore, discrediting your theory of Frank training for only 9 months prior to fighting Bas. However, that is just over 30 days before he fights you (for the third time) and wins by a TKO also. Don't remember the blood in your urine at the after-party.... LIVER SHOT? Talk about crying... remember sitting against the wall and breathing shallow breaths as you complain to Bas about the blood in your urine? The anniversary of that fight is coming up soon on the 26th of this month. I guess you should find another form of magic to practice. Try white magic this time, I hear it works.

2.Your accusations about Ken and Bas?

Bas and Ken Shamrock are friends and have a great deal of respect for each other. I detect no fear from either of them and only a great deal of respect and friendship. Can you say the same? Let's not even mention the dislike that surrounds that situation (your betrayal against Ken).

3.Kevin Randleman....

Whom has openly commented and admitted that Bas beat him. Kevin has said in countless interviews; "that after Bas liver kicked me, I couldn't continue". He was unable to do anything, therefore Bas won the fight. Bas stayed busy fighting and working from the bottom up. Besides Jason, why not fight your own battle on your own merits and not bring other fighters into the discussion. Bas didn't need too.

4.Shibuya...

Bas spent three days in the hospital after that fight for a broken sternum. So... say what you want, but Bas had the drive to continue to fight with a broken sternum and at the risk of puncturing his lung. What act of warrior-ism do you have to match that? Not to worry, we have proof to back that too. There are pictures and medical records to prove Bas had a broken sternum during that fight. If you don't believe this, contact the Pancrase office and they will validate it. They have pictures of Bas in the hospital from right after the fight and his medical records (copies). Not to mention, Bas insisted on a rematch right away but didn't get to fight him until 5 1/2 months later. He came back and beat him in less then 4 minutes with the Bas Rutten Neck Crank (the neck crank.... Bas came up with). I know you are familiar with this neck crank, remember Atlanta when you tried to use it and failed miserably? I sure do... we were all there!

5.Your failing career...

Congrats, on single handedly developing a competitive form of Aikido for NHB competitions ("while your career suffered from it"). That is great that you developed this new form! I am sorry to say; "I am not familiar with any of your world champion fighters". I will however, do some research on this obscure form of Aikido to be more educated about it for future accounts.

6.The fans...

Jason... you are right about one thing. The fans don't really know all of the details, but the fight community does and so do you. To call Bas a liar as you credit the things he said about you in his response to your verbal low blows, is slightly alarming and delusional. If Bas were to fight again, it would definitely be against a worthy opponent. I assume you have heard of the three strikes your out theory? I understand wanting to find your spot in the big picture, but sometimes you have to accept... you might not belong.

Jason... I am sure my response to you will make you angry and you will want to fire back at me. I will ask that you keep your magic in tact and refrain from trying to share it with me or any crazy chain letters you come across. I will also refrain from responding to you and any future attacks you make on me or Bas. My respect for you is diminishing quickly. I feel this conversation and mud slinging session is over. Bas will not be bothered by your adolescent banter... nor will I. To think that when I spoke with Bas this morning from Japan (busy with his career) that he felt bad for you and asked me to make a post asking his fans to not be so hard on you. That after all.... you were still a fighter and that you at least had the cojones to step into the ring. Remember asking Bas to have your back when you wanted to come to LA and make your Gracie challenge in their Dojo? I will end by saying; " thank you to you or your friend for helping Bas to support his family by purchasing his career DVDs". If you would have contacted me... I would have given you a discount. I will speak for Bas and myself in saying; "we wish you well and much continued success in your career". I hope you find a way to let go and move forward without the burden of this old baggage. Best wishes to you and your family and God Bless.

My apology to the fans and to the Sherdog forum for any discomfort my rebutal may cause.




but who was this person? they had behind the scenes knowledge of events in japan. Maybe some manager for bas? Maybe even bas himself using an alt? i'm pretty sure Delucia was using at least one alt in the thread as well, since he posted this


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[IMG alt="Jason DeLucia"]https://sherdog-data.community.forum/avatars/m/25/25548.jpg?1449706541[/IMG]

Jason DeLucia​

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Originally posted by tsimanga
I like your website Jason. The photos on there are so Raw and intense. Whoever took those should be cmmended. I also dig the Pancrase family tree and such... good stuff.



Yuki (Purple) Kondo... great pic.
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i think jason and yuki three would be the best fight anyone has seen to date .cause there's reason.


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or maybe he likes to refer to himself in the 3rd person. idk


So what was really happening in that thread? was that really jason delucia? Who was Bas's lil sis? was the thread just a prank by bas or some trolls?
 
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Thank you for raising our awareness of this historical gem from the archives.

Bas enters the thread with allegations of attempted blood magic:

"i'm sure bas knows what i say on the internet.and i don't care.i listened to his comentary on his third fight with me ,and he said the majic words.''I WISH I COULD DO IT AGAIN''.
WELL SO DO I!since you have so much clout with dana white and family.set it up .and when you lose you should retire.i'll make the same agreement for show ,but i will not lose ,YOU WILL!

OK, they emailed me about this so I have to give one comment, ONE only!

These are Jason's words?
Man, I thought that he would spell better then I do, because he's a born American, but what do you know, he can't. Majic words....... I thought it was Magic, comentary, I thought it was commentary, but hey, maybe I am wrong, I am Dutch you know and YOU are American so you should know better. Ever heard about capital letters and making spaces between a dot and the next sentence? Oh..... you fucked up in school and now you are fucking up in fighting too? .... surprise, surprise.

"I am sure Bas knows what I said on the internet", man, I really don't read your posts, do you really think you are that important? I hardly have time to post myself here and if there is somebody who I am totally NOT interested in, it's you, not even to laugh because you are not funny or nice, you are nothing.

OK guys, remember that story in Grappling magazine when I was talking about a guy who made a present for me, and it was a drawing of me? And then later that guy, who I called "the artist", told me that I had to put a drop of blood of my own over his name (written underneath the drawing) because his name was written in Frank Shamrocks blood? This was after my fight against Frank and after the fight against Jason when I fucked up his liver.
He told me that I needed to do that because he did that to put a spell on me before my fight against Frank Shamrock. Well ladies and gentleman, that "man" was Jason de Lucia.
I beat him three times out of three, so, I won't say "I wish I could do it again" because he's a looser. Win some fights against real opponents first before you start talking shit and challenging real fighters.
He wants a re-match he told me, for what match? The first, the second or the third?

BTW, mattbae is right, Jason who?

And then to think that I said "the artist" in the magazine because I thought that Jason was a nice guy and I left his name out. Man, I thought I had a good intuition, MAN I was wrong.

Oh, remember this one Jason? When you where in mount on me and you put your hand over my mouth and I grabbed your hand of my mouth and told you not to do that, you did it again and then I hit you from the bottom in the head and said "I told you not to do that" and you said "OK OK" and your balls shrunk?
What? am I lying? please watch my career DVD and turn the volume up, I mean, seeing and hearing is believing.

Guys, understand this. A person comes to you, pretending he's your friend, and gives you a present, very nice and true, you think. It's a drawing of you, made by him in a very good way (I was very honored) And then later you find out that he gave you that to put a spell on you. What kind of person is that? And now he has a family? Very scary!

THAT will answer your question.

As for the steroid remark, common looser, you know that I am against that shit and you know that you are trying to find an excuse to make up for your loss, oh no wait, THREE losses.

IF, and that is IF I make a comeback, I will use you as my "warm-up" match, what about that? You better make a whole entire painting in your blood, because the last time with that spell, it didn't really work out, now did it?

Now, this is my advise, go find a doll that looks like me, and try to use some voodoo shit on me, see if that works.
And another one, why do you think that after you did that voodoo shit with me with the painting, your career went down, down, down to nothing left? Ever heard about the word (this is a difficult one for you, but learn it, you might need to spell it right one time) KARMA?
That's it, go to your basement, and do whatever you have to do there, I know what's in there, you too, don't you?

See guys? I don't think that you have seen me EVER upset about somebody on this forum, well, there is always a first one.
And one last thing, I will NOT respond to any reaction of him, because he's nothing to me, and if I WOULD do it, it would mean that he's in my head, which he's absolutely not. Well, that's a lie, I have fond memories of him from my fights, his pain face and ...... pain face.

THIS response was just to let you guys know who the "artist" was and what kind of person (not kind person) Jason de Lucia is, and you know me, I tell it how it is. I, and all the other Pancrase fighters, have way more cool stories like this about Jason, but that is not related to me, so I won't go there. But I can't wait for my next interview, because now I will tell everybody about "the artist" and who he was.

Hasta."
 
Jason's retort:

"well well well,
first ,the picture was for frank who is my friend ,and the spell worked .as it was given to you before your fight with him ,and you lost .you lost to a guy whos only experience in martial arts of any kind started 9 months before you fought him.he had no stand up and no wrestling skills at all prior to that year.so i guess my voo doo works better than yours.and if you want to talk about the pancrase fights when nobody hit poor bas on the ground because we were trying to sell the sport as technical art, not some thing that any ape could do.had we been grounding and pounding you in those days when you couldn't escape the bottom you would have been the king of unconsciousness not the king of pancrase.and if you want to talk about beating real fighters lets talk about the time you beat 'Randleman' .lol.as if!
he thumped you and they gave it to you anyway.and tell it like it is?like the interview when you said you were undefeated?
and a guy pretending to be your friend is you.you never say or do the things you said and did to me to some one like ken.why ?cause you are afraid of him.your not afraid of me so when it's just us, i see the disrespect you have for me to my face.these people here don't know the real you .and if you want to get into it thats fine by me.but it's better that you do the right thing.pancrase is not nhb.it's mma.i may not know how to spell but i know that.what do you think happens in nhb if you start crying because you're tired like when you fought shibuya?instead of giving up the honorable way ,you lie and say it's this or that so you can rest!you are a great competitor but a lying ,moraless hypocrite of a man... man.
lastly the reason my career went down hill was that very early on i devoted my lifes work to develope a competitive form of aikido that would work in nhb.you wouldn't understand some thing like this because you devote your time to overpowering the competition ,nothing creative there.i assimilated an entire traditional art form 'aikido' into nhb competition.it took over ten years .all you've done is grow bigger muscles and a bigger ego.big deal .
you need to say i'm nothing as an excuse not to fight me.
you talk trash that you planned to wait 15 minutes before starting to fight with me instead of just admitting that i was better than you for the first part of the fight ,and the you pulled it out .stop making excuses then calling me the excuse maker .be a man not an egotist.it's too bad you couldn't have more class and give dignity to the sport .you don't need to grab your crotch and flip every one off to look cool.you can't salute with one hand and flip off with the other.when you grow up come and do battle"
 
shunyata said:
Thank you for raising our awareness of this historical gem from the archives.

Bas enters the thread with allegations of attempted blood magic:
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For real though i can believe that part. i've been saying for the last couple years this dark magic crap has infested mma. not even joking about that.



people know about alex perreira but there's unfortunately much more to it than that.

  • The octagon is an ancient magic symbol representing portal magic, or manifesting something.
  • Nearly every single fight happens on the monster energy logo (hebrew for 666 or the mark of the beast....whose fucking slogan is 'unleash the beast'



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Every fight they sweat and bleed all over that logo and they take years off their lives on top of that logo.



And what about some common mma terms? "so and so is a beast", or fans talking about the just bleed god. there are posters on this site right now saying things about praying or sacrificing the jbj, or the jbg being pleased, and weird shit like that. most people are joking but that's a weird joke when you think about it. And i bet none of you hardcore sherdoggers can tell me where the term just bleed god even started. there was the just bleed GUY, but when / who 1st started talking about a god to sacrifice blood to? And why do so many repeat it? ever thought about that?

So yeah i could believe the jd magic story could be true. either way, all this other stuff is. Nobody seems to mind or believe alex perreira does it. And i've heard several fighters speak out about other fighters messing with it.










Edit; oh i forgot, before the MONSTER logo became the stare of the show, the old star was the bud light logo. Everyone knows the association between alcohol and demons. Demon in a bottle it's called. Others call it spirits. Etc.
 
Wilmer Digreux said:
For real though i can believe that part. i've been saying for the last couple years this dark magic crap has infested mma. not even joking about that.



people know about alex perreira but there's unfortunately much more to it than that.

  • The octagon is an ancient magic symbol representing portal magic, or manifesting something.
  • Nearly every single fight happens on the monster energy logo (hebrew for 666 or the mark of the beast....whose fucking slogan is 'unleash the beast'



image-jpg.18260



Every fight they sweat and bleed all over that logo and they take years off their lives on top of that logo.



And what about some common mma terms? "so and so is a beast", or fans talking about the just bleed god. there are posters on this site right now saying things about praying or sacrificing the jbj, or the jbg being pleased, and weird shit like that. most people are joking but that's a weird joke when you think about it. And i bet none of you hardcore sherdoggers can tell me where the term just bleed god even started. there was the just bleed GUY, but when / who 1st started talking about a god to sacrifice blood to? And why do so many repeat it? ever thought about that?

So yeah i could believe the jd magic story could be true. either way, all this other stuff is. Nobody seems to mind or believe alex perreira does it. And i've heard several fighters speak out about other fighters messing with it.










Edit; oh i forgot, before the MONSTER logo became the stare of the show, the old star was the bud light logo. Everyone knows the association between alcohol and demons. Demon in a bottle it's called. Others call it spirits. Etc.
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Conspiracy theory confirmed.

Dana the pink goof sold his soul to the Just Bleed God and has to keep putting out events as blood sacrifices on an octagonal altar or his heart will stop.

It is known.
 
Uh... did you not know the actual "number of the beast" is 616, not 666? The 666 was just a mistranslation.



Wilmer Digreux said:
For real though i can believe that part. i've been saying for the last couple years this dark magic crap has infested mma. not even joking about that.



people know about alex perreira but there's unfortunately much more to it than that.

  • The octagon is an ancient magic symbol representing portal magic, or manifesting something.
  • Nearly every single fight happens on the monster energy logo (hebrew for 666 or the mark of the beast....whose fucking slogan is 'unleash the beast'



image-jpg.18260



Every fight they sweat and bleed all over that logo and they take years off their lives on top of that logo.



And what about some common mma terms? "so and so is a beast", or fans talking about the just bleed god. there are posters on this site right now saying things about praying or sacrificing the jbj, or the jbg being pleased, and weird shit like that. most people are joking but that's a weird joke when you think about it. And i bet none of you hardcore sherdoggers can tell me where the term just bleed god even started. there was the just bleed GUY, but when / who 1st started talking about a god to sacrifice blood to? And why do so many repeat it? ever thought about that?

So yeah i could believe the jd magic story could be true. either way, all this other stuff is. Nobody seems to mind or believe alex perreira does it. And i've heard several fighters speak out about other fighters messing with it.










Edit; oh i forgot, before the MONSTER logo became the stare of the show, the old star was the bud light logo. Everyone knows the association between alcohol and demons. Demon in a bottle it's called. Others call it spirits. Etc.
Click to expand...
 
grendel824 said:
Uh... did you not know the actual "number of the beast" is 616, not 666? The 666 was just a mistranslation.
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That is certainly a theory posited by some experts. I think the most important thing though is that the number doesn't matter because it's ancient oral tradition bullshit and only a person in desperate need of a therapist thinks that an energy drink has legitimate demonic ties because a claw mark looks somewhat like a character in the Hebrew language that has at least 3 other similar looking characters.
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
That is certainly a theory posited by some experts. I think the most important thing though is that the number doesn't matter because it's ancient oral tradition bullshit and only a person in desperate need of a therapist thinks that an energy drink has legitimate demonic ties because a claw mark looks somewhat like a character in the Hebrew language that has at least 3 other similar looking characters.
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That's right man keep your head in the sand. they love it when you do that.


Why do you think they put a cross in the O? What possible reason is there for that to be there?


Monster_Energy_Logo.jpg
 
When I was starting off in psych, I was told that one of the worst things you could do with delusions is entertain them. When a person who hallucinates asks you if you can see the UFO over their shoulder, as tempting as it is to try and placate by saying yes so you can try to leave the situation, you don't enforce their delusions. Just straight up tell them no, you don't see it. There's nothing there. Just gotta hope they come to grips with it at some point.
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
When I was starting off in psych, I was told that one of the worst things you could do with delusions is entertain them. When a person who hallucinates asks you if you can see the UFO over their shoulder, as tempting as it is to try and placate by saying yes so you can try to leave the situation, you don't enforce their delusions. Just straight up tell them no, you don't see it. There's nothing there. Just gotta hope they come to grips with it at some point.
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You'll figure it out eventually
 
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