A Proper Judo Fall?

Besides the obvious "don't post your arms" and "don't stiffen up", i'll EMPHAZISE on keeping your mouth shut.
If you're not wearing a mouthguard, and you LAND with an open mouth, there's a chance that you'll crush your teeth, cut your tongue/lips or injure your jaw, in general.
Also, even if you don't get thrown, it's easy to get a chipped tooth with an accidental headbutt, elbow, or whatever.
 
Agree. Though if you really get thrown (say with a really wound maki komi or osoto gari, or a really high uranage, you'll feel it even with great ukemi, especially if you're a heavyweight (that old strength/weight ratio thing again).

Yup.
When i used to be 70kg, i didn't worry too much about other 70kg'ers throwing me around, i could perform ukemi very smoothly and landings didn't seem to be that hard, and if the guy throwing me landed on top of me it wasn't THAT terrible.
Now that i'm 80kg, even though my ukemi is better (because of more time practicing), every time i get thrown hard, i feel a LOT of difference - within my bones and very soul (sob sob). Not to mention i hate it when another 80kg dude maki-komi'es me because it hurts like hell.
And it was just a 10kg increase. I feel sorry for the HW's; I know a couple of 100kg+ guys who whine even if they land on their knees after a failed throw.
 
(funny i just had this conversation with a coworker who was afraid that he'd hurt himself trying judo)

Ukemi is designed to keep you from getting injured (as opposed to hurt/feeling pain). As you get better at it you'll feel less pain but no amount of ukemi practice will ever allow you to feel nothing at all after a good hard throw.

Its going to feel akward after the first times you do it. Teaching yourself to fall in a proper way is not a normal thing.

As for the proper way to fall, I can only say learn from your instructor and practice a lot. There's a reason we only let our newbies practice for 20 minutes while they're learning ukemi. They usually come in all kinds of sore (after only 20 min) the next day as they learn the fine details that only 10000 rolls and falls will teach you.
 
check my sig we have old threads about breakfalling
 
One question, how do you avoid landing on your shoulder when getting thrown?

I got hip tossed nearly a month ago and landed straight on my shoulder, separating it.

I've been doing a lot of rehab and I'm at about 85% or so, and I want to know how to avoid a repeat of this.
 
One question, how do you avoid landing on your shoulder when getting thrown?

I got hip tossed nearly a month ago and landed straight on my shoulder, separating it.

I've been doing a lot of rehab and I'm at about 85% or so, and I want to know how to avoid a repeat of this.

ninja rolls.
 
Your back is supposed to hit first (most surfaces area least pain), and you're supposes to slap the mat as you make contact to break the fall.
 
One question, how do you avoid landing on your shoulder when getting thrown?

I got hip tossed nearly a month ago and landed straight on my shoulder, separating it.

I've been doing a lot of rehab and I'm at about 85% or so, and I want to know how to avoid a repeat of this.

It depends on the quality of the throw, sometimes you can't. If he was doing a hip though he probably fell during not giving you enough time to fully rotate. But generally speaking, a hip should put you flat on your back.
 
i feel your pain Mike, two years ago i was playing my friend at the state champs and had a single on him, and he countered with a WICKED harai makikomi. we both landed on my right shoulder.

if it had been practice i'd've probably corrected mid-air and taken the fall, but since it was a tournament i decided to try and ride it out, which was stupid. i ended up settling for third since i couldn't play any of the wrestlebacks and was out of practice for about a month.

i guess the best way to learn to take judo falls is to just let people throw you. not necessarily when you're going live, but when you've got time.
 
oh, and sorry for running my mouth off in this thread guys, but i wanted to say something about points of contact:

in lieu of smacking your whole body at once, i'm a fan of a controlled fall where different parts of your body hit at different intervals in a continuous, rolling motion.

your slap should help de-celerate you considerably, but the way the rest of you hits and WHERE you hit matters too.

for almost every throw, i usually land in a sidefall (the burt reynolds pose), but each part of me that hits the ground does so at a different time, so there's more of a roll to it as opposed to a thwomp.

USUALLY, your slap hits the ground first, then your shoulderblade, hip, legs and feet. in that order. that way, instead of taking all of the force, all at once, all in the same area, you diffuse the landing into 5 different parts. each part takes 1/5th the whomp, you dust yourself off, and everything's kosher.

it's kinda contradictory, how you have to be sure to slap hard but keep the rest of your body oriented correctly AND as relaxed as you can, but that's a practice thing. at ISU, there are both Judo and Hapkido clubs, and Master Pak will spend at LEAST 5 minutes, of every hour, of every practice doing ukemi. in fact, the first...i don't know...2 weeks to a month...of the beginner classes are mostly falling.

is that boring? sure. overkill? maybe. does it keep people from being hurt? absolutely.

i guess the bottom line of all of this babble is that everybody here can tell you umpteen different things about the nuances of breakfalls, but just like anything else, it's not gonna matter unless you practice.

the best way to not get hurt falling down, is to practice falling down. a lot.
 
LoL Burt Reynolds pose that was great

Alot of breakfalling is due to the dude throwing. , For me it is worse being thrown by smalelr guys (If I don't throw myself but you don't awlays want to do that)

The throwing motion isn't as smooth as with bigger guys and they have to use almsot their maximum effort, and cannot "help" me fall by pulling me up but jsut drop me.

My least favourite apart from KAta guruma is not makikomi techniques but Tsurkomi-goshi or thato ther one with both sleeves, hate them
 
I think that's the shittiest advice I've read in the entire thread. WTG!

Don't listen to that guy. Practice making sure everything hits the ground at the same time, please. Don't injure yourself thinking that taking the impact on different parts of your body at different times is useful.

DO, however, practice PROPER ukemi a lot.
 
bullshit! do you land fucking flat on your back when you do a backfall? no.
 
Sometimes you fall flat, other times your roll. If you are headed straight down, you usually go flat. But if you have a horizontal displacement, you need to roll through it. If you are being thrown at a weird angle, you need to roll through it to prevent the pressure from going straight through any one point. It isn't an exclusive either/or situation. Look at the Kyoto Judo highlight that I posted if you don't believe me. It is more important to protect your head and to be relaxed during the fall. "Yielding" as judoka like to say.
 
Sometimes you fall flat, other times your roll. If you are headed straight down, you usually go flat. But if you have a horizontal displacement, you need to roll through it. If you are being thrown at a weird angle, you need to roll through it to prevent the pressure from going straight through any one point. It isn't an exclusive either/or situation. Look at the Kyoto Judo highlight that I posted if you don't believe me. It is more important to protect your head and to be relaxed during the fall. "Yielding" as judoka like to say.

This is exactly what I was going to post.

The difference can be easily seen in the ways in which Judo and Aikido approach breakfalls. The classical Judo way tends to focus more on being thrown straight down to the mat. In this case, it makes a lot of sense to fall flat (except for your head) since a sudden impact is inevitable and falling flat disperses the force as much as possible.

The Aikido way tends to focus more on rolling through the fall. Since in many situations you will be voluntarily throwing yourself in order to escape a joint lock, you have the option of throwing yourself at an angle to the mat. This lets you tuck and roll to avoid a sudden impact in the first place. You keep the momentum going and can often times even land back up to your feet if you do it right.

In reality, I have found that most situations are kind of a combination of both. The more straight down to the mat it is, the more I fall flat; the greater the angle, the more I roll myself through. I find myself regularly doing a Judo breakfall but allowing myself to relax and roll up at the end if the conditions are right.
 
Also, when I first started Judo this debate over rolling was something that I noticed immediately.

When we would practice ukemi by jumping over a barrier and then rolling, I saw the Judo guys stopping their roll right in the middle by flattening out into a breakfall and slapping the mat hard. This made quite a loud sound and occasionally caused them some minor injury if they did not land right. I thought that was absolute madness because I could jump over the barrier and just roll right through up to my feet without slapping. I made barely any noise and never got hurt.

Eventually I realized that what the Judo guys were doing was not actually rolling at all. They were just simulating being slammed straight into the mat. When I looked at it that way, suddenly the slapping made more sense.

I think the Judo approach to ukemi is only one approach to a complicated issue. There is also the smooth rolling approach, and occasionally you will also see the "slap with your feet instead of your hands" approach that is mainly used by guys who regularly take throws onto hard surfaces.
 
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