A fighter's record should have ZERO connection to his salary

[OneGloveGracie]

I just finished reading all these tweets of fighters who are praising Conor for standing up to the UFC as if Conor is being anti-promotion of fights.

Those fighters don't have a clue. Conor isn't anti-promotiong of fights, because he has already promoted himself. The promotion for UFC 200 is already done. Conor has spent the last year promoting himself for the rest of his career.

Guys like Eddie Alvarez should not be talking. If Eddie is getting $25,000, he should be thankful to the UFC for donating him that money because he doesn't make a single cent for the UFC. On the other hand, if Conor is making $5 million, he is underpaid because he is making a lot more for the UFC then that.

Any fighter that goes to the negotiating table and presents their mma record to support his/her salary has no clue. The only thing that should count when it comes to a fighter's salary is how many tv views and ppv buys they generate PERIOD

 

[ortizgnp]

What people really need to understand is that it's not possible for every fighter to make 20mil each time they step foot in the octagon.

 

[SavageAngel]

TS, you're a more entitled prick than McGregor is. Fighters put their bodies through hell to perform for us fans, they all deserve more money, UFC isn't donating shit to Eddie Alvarez, EA is there because he is elite and UFC prides themselves in having the elite. End of story.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I just finished reading all these tweets of fighters who are praising Conor for standing up to the UFC as if Conor is being anti-promotion of fights.

Those fighters don't have a clue. Conor isn't anti-promotiong of fights, because he has already promoted himself. The promotion for UFC 200 is already done. Conor has spent the last year promoting himself for the rest of his career.

Guys like Eddie Alvarez should not be talking. If Eddie is getting $25,000, he should be thankful to the UFC for donating him that money because he doesn't make a single cent for the UFC. On the other hand, if Conor is making $5 million, he is underpaid because he is making a lot more for the UFC then that.

Any fighter that goes to the negotiating table and presents their mma record to support his/her salary has no clue. The only thing that should count when it comes to a fighter's salary is how many tv views and ppv buys they generate PERIOD

Conor's promotional skill are what got him paid more than anything else. Now that he has his named out there he honestly only has to go into maintenance mode. He can coast off his past promotional skills for quite sometime from here on out as long as he wins most of his fights.

The UFC and him need to work out the details though and be on the same page. Maybe they will meet in the middle

 

[MMAProfessional]

TS, you're a more entitled prick than McGregor is. Fighters put their bodies through hell to perform for us fans, they all deserve more money, UFC isn't donating shit to Eddie Alvarez, EA is there because he is elite and UFC prides themselves in having the elite. End of story.

In the end it is about you're worth. Ben Henderson is one o the best lightweights but didn't make enough money then what he was asking for. Not everything can be perfect and if they don't like their pay they can leave. That's like saying a salesman that makes no sales should make the same as the star salesman because they both work hard and the same hours

 

[nostradumbass]

Are you a millennial by any chance? Yes Eddie Alvarez makes money for the company and guys' records do matter because they lend credibility to the others and are a point of reference. You might not think Dustin Poirier has any value to the company because he's not usually a PPV main event, but beating him is what started people taking Conor seriously. Furthermore, they can't have just one fight on a card, otherwise you would have paid $60 to see 1 exchange at UFC 194. Do you think if Conor just showed up and fought some random guy whose name nobody knew and had a 0-0 record and no undercard, that would sell over 1m PPVS?

Some fighters boost PPV sales better than others, but without the other fighters, there would be no point of reference to make these guys big names. There is a lot more to building a brand and selling a product than most college kids think, and there's a reason so many other orgs have gone under.

 

[Roca]

A lot of good posts in this thread, TS' is not one of them.

 

[soulsstealer]

TS, you're a more entitled prick than McGregor is. Fighters put their bodies through hell to perform for us fans, they all deserve more money, UFC isn't donating shit to Eddie Alvarez, EA is there because he is elite and UFC prides themselves in having the elite. End of story.

One or 2 losses and EA might be seeing the door.

 

[SavageAngel]

In the end it is about you're worth. Ben Henderson is one o the best lightweights but didn't make enough money then what he was asking for. Not everything can be perfect and if they don't like their pay they can leave. That's like saying a salesman that makes no sales should make the same as the star salesman because they both work hard and the same hours

He did leave, he went to bellator to get better upfront money. That's bad for the UFC. Benson was a really talented elite fighter. As MMA fans, we lost a very good LW - WW in an org that praises itself for having the best.

MMA fans shouldn't shit on fighters asking for more money, the fighters go through hell and back for us fans. To put on a show. Not all fighters say this, but they all certainly do this indirectly.

 

[soulsstealer]

Do you think if Conor just showed up and fought some random guy whose name nobody knew and had a 0-0 record and no undercard, that would sell over 1m PPVS?

Are you an old person by chance? PPV numbers are all about the casual interest. To them conor can literally fight bums off the street and it wouldnt matter. They have zero clue who the opponent is even when he faced aldo, casual reporters couldnt recall aldos name.

 

[MMAProfessional]

He did leave, he went to bellator to get better upfront money. That's bad for the UFC. Benson was a really talented elite fighter. As MMA fans, we lost a very good LW - WW in an org that praises itself for having the best.

MMA fans shouldn't shit on fighters asking for more money, the fighters go through hell and back for us fans. To put on a show. Not all fighters say this, but they all certainly do this indirectly.

They all have a choice and Benson left because he wasn't getting his worth. This isn't slavery, they have a choice. Also the UFC is fairly smart about their releases. I remember people were calling out after Jon Fitch was released then he had a bad run. The UFC is a business not a charity

 

[FleximusPrime]

In the end it is about you're worth. Ben Henderson is one o the best lightweights but didn't make enough money then what he was asking for. Not everything can be perfect and if they don't like their pay they can leave. That's like saying a salesman that makes no sales should make the same as the star salesman because they both work hard and the same hours

A salesman that makes no sales is not a salesman at all but rather a liability, the same lagic can be applied here.

 

[OneGloveGracie]

TS, you're a more entitled prick than McGregor is. Fighters put their bodies through hell to perform for us fans, they all deserve more money, UFC isn't donating shit to Eddie Alvarez, EA is there because he is elite and UFC prides themselves in having the elite. End of story.

Entitled? you just made the point that fighters are "entitled" to get paid just because they step in the cage.lol And how exactly am I entitled????? you need to look up the meaning of the word.

Also, if you think the fighters fight "for the fans" you are naive AF. They fight for money. Most fighters don't give a shit about the fans. Guys like Demetrious Johnson get it, he doesn't care to promote himself, but he also doesn't ask for a huge payday because he knows his worth. He knows that winning only gets you a belt, but promotion gets you paid.

Most of the time when I see a fighter asking for more money it makes me cringe because most of the time its a fighter who doesn't generate any ppv buys yet he/she thinks they deserve to be millionaires. Either your promote yourself outside of the cage by being like Mcgregor, but if you don't have that skill, then promote yourself inside the cage by putting on an exciting fan friendly fight. Simply winning a fight doesn't mean anything. Nobody cares about that other than the hardcore fans and the hardcores watch every fight regardless. It's the casuals that bring in the money for the UFC.

 

[Scamrock]

The problem with what you are saying is that it is hard to promote a fighter who isn't winning. People like McGregor and Rousey are a promoter's dream. But a lot of their marketability is related to their dominance. They are also a rarity. Most people, no matter how much you promote them, no matter how much they do for themselves, they will never be a huge draw. So for the most part, all they have to go off is performance.

 

[Mochan]

I just finished reading all these tweets of fighters who are praising Conor for standing up to the UFC as if Conor is being anti-promotion of fights.

Those fighters don't have a clue. Conor isn't anti-promotiong of fights, because he has already promoted himself. The promotion for UFC 200 is already done. Conor has spent the last year promoting himself for the rest of his career.

Guys like Eddie Alvarez should not be talking. If Eddie is getting $25,000, he should be thankful to the UFC for donating him that money because he doesn't make a single cent for the UFC. On the other hand, if Conor is making $5 million, he is underpaid because he is making a lot more for the UFC then that.

Any fighter that goes to the negotiating table and presents their mma record to support his/her salary has no clue. The only thing that should count when it comes to a fighter's salary is how many tv views and ppv buys they generate PERIOD

Maybe you should go watch Pro-Wrestling instead of MMA, where all that matters is how well you can trash-talk in front of the camera.

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

its a normal part of life - people at my firm act the same way - they dont generate revenue or even do anything valuable for the firm, but just think what they're doing is so great that it should be rewarded - its human nature to overvalue ourselves - dana white and the ufc check those opinions pretty hard though - any sport or skill, like track and field, chess etc. etc. has people who are super talented at it but arent rich at all bc it isnt monetarily valuable to anyone

most people are in it bc they are fighters, they live to fight - they get jealous when others get paid more but arent willing to play the wwf card either - conor made money by getting everyone emotional about him one way or another - that isnt easy business, its way eaiser to speak humbly and fight, generating no attention

in a perfect world, people would get paid for their accomplishments etc. but in reality it all comes down to getting hits - you see new sites like cnn just completely whore out the quality of their journalism for click bait these days - they are onto something

 

[nostradumbass]

Are you an old person by chance? PPV numbers are all about the casual interest. To them conor can literally fight bums off the street and it wouldnt matter. They have zero clue who the opponent is even when he faced aldo, casual reporters couldnt recall aldos name.

I'm 31. So why don't they just have him fight bums off the street then and save themselves the cost of paying legit fighters and the entire undercard? It's because you know damn well it makes a difference who he fights and he needed all those wins to be taken seriously. Before he had his first ranked win, he was in his 4th UFC fight and on the undercard of a 200,000 PPV event.

 

[OneGloveGracie]

Maybe you should go watch Pro-Wrestling instead of MMA, where all that matters is how well you can trash-talk in front of the camera.

logic and IQ = 0

 

[Championstuff]

i can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that my fight record has zero connection to the amount that i get paid.

 

[Rational Poster]

He did leave, he went to bellator to get better upfront money. That's bad for the UFC. Benson was a really talented elite fighter. As MMA fans, we lost a very good LW - WW in an org that praises itself for having the best.

MMA fans shouldn't shit on fighters asking for more money, the fighters go through hell and back for us fans. To put on a show. Not all fighters say this, but they all certainly do this indirectly.

He left because the UFC let him walk.