A Few Questions about Stipe's Lay-on-opponent strategy.

[Deleted member 391673]

Going into the fight, I didn't have a favorite and just wanted an entertaining fight. Outside of the first round, I felt that it failed in achieving that.

I was impressed with how Stipe handled and survived Ngannou's offense in the first, but became disappointed when he used his weight on Ngannou without attempting any sort of finish.

It made me wonder the following things which I want to put out there for everyone and those who specifically have wrestling experience...

1. How difficult would it be for any HW fighter to escape or sweep an opponent who maintains a static position? Throwing strikes or going for a submission puts the attacker off-balance allowing for the opponent an opportunity to fight back, but if the fighter on top does none of that, what can his opponent do except attempt to get up?

2. If the positions were reversed where Stipe would be on bottom and Ngannou on top putting all his weight on a smaller opponent without attempting to finish, would Stipe's wrestling experience allow him to get out of such a position or would he be stuck as well?

3. For that matter, can't any HW attempt this strategy especially in the later rounds when they are both gassed? I don't think such a strategy would work for lower weight classes because the lower weight classes are more squirmy.

 

[Summoning]

Herb Dean fault, He shout have stopped that gay sex more often.

 

[Credo]

I think Ngannus ground game is very limited. Technique > power. Or in this case power > no technique.

Add to that a very limited gas tank = you can´t do much really, if a huge dude holds you down.

 

[TheRealWill]

Underhooks. Whizzer.

 

[Sansnom]

Herb Dean's fault. He should stop that gay sex more often.

Fixed your broken english.

 

[Le Choad]

1. Difficult; Nothing
2. Yes; No
3. No

 

[Deleted member 391673]

1. Difficult; Nothing
2. Yes; No
3. No

more exposition please.

if rothwell, mir or overeem were on top doing nothing, stipe would be able to escape you're saying?

 

[Le Choad]

more exposition please.

if rothwell, mir or overeem were on top doing nothing, stipe would be able to escape you're saying?

Maybe. Depends how much energy they both have. You can't definitively say either way, but usually the guy with better wrestling dictates where the fight takes place if he has more in his gas tank. Usually.

 

[Jin Akutsu]

It was a smart gameplan by Stipe. Wear out Ngannou early, use his clear advantage in grappling.

It says more about Ngannou, than Stipe.

He needs to work on his energy preservation, cardio, and grappling in general. Good gameplan from the champ.

 

[Deleted member 391673]

It was a smart gameplan by Stipe. Wear out Ngannou early, use his clear advantage in grappling.

It says more about Ngannou, than Stipe.

He needs to work on his energy preservation, cardio, and grappling in general. Good gameplan from the champ.

i'm not saying it wasn't a smart gameplan, but am asking whether such a strategy would be effective for other HW fighters even if the person on bottom has wrestling credentials. if all HW fights turned into that we'd have some boring ass fights.

 

[Fstepp]

Press down his head!

The Stiper did well!

 

[Sgt Smith]

Stipe's gameplan was perfect. The one place Francis posed a threat to him was on the feet, and he completely took that away. Francis was in no way prepared to grapple for 5 rds. He wasn't much of a threat on the feet anymore going into the championship rds due to fatigue. It may have made the fight less exciting due to the lack of action, but it was dominant. Great win against a dangerous opponent. My personal thought was that he would get clipped early and finished. But he weathered the early barrage by Francis very well. I'm even more impressed with him as champ now than I was before that fight.

 

[Stoic1]

Somethin tells me the topic starter prefers Worldstar fights

 

[Jin Akutsu]

Stipe's gameplan was perfect. The one place Francis posed a threat to him was on the feet, and he completely took that away. Francis was in no way prepared to grapple for 5 rds. He wasn't much of a threat on the feet anymore going into the championship rds due to fatigue. It may have made the fight less exciting due to the lack of action, but it was dominant. Great win against a dangerous opponent. My personal thought was that he would get clipped early and finished. But he weathered the early barrage by Francis very well. I'm even more impressed with him as champ now than I was before that fight.

 

[Deleted member 391673]

I keep saying this over and over again, and I’m not going to stop:

MMA has the worst, least educated about their own sport, dumbest, and annoying fan base of any sport, let alone combat sports.

Why do you people even watch MMA? Grappling is part of MMA. Using grappling to wear down your opponent is a legitimate and time tested strategy, which is just part of MMA.

Now on to the actual topic.

Stipe knows what he’s doing. Something about the way Ngannou felt when they were grappling told him it wasn’t worth it to go for the finish in the event it didn’t work. The Stipe would have finished it if he felt it was the best choice to try and do that. Something told him it wasn’t so he didn’t go for it.

It was actually a pretty exciting fight. And Stipe didn’t just lay on him. He was actively working and continuously striking the whole match.

Just go watch tough man contests you fucking rubes.

hahaha you sound unhinged. take a chill pill.

you also have reading comprehension problems as i was talking about whether such a strategy would be successful in different situations and was trying to have a discussion about it.

 

[Deleted member 391673]

Stipe's gameplan was perfect. The one place Francis posed a threat to him was on the feet, and he completely took that away. Francis was in no way prepared to grapple for 5 rds. He wasn't much of a threat on the feet anymore going into the championship rds due to fatigue. It may have made the fight less exciting due to the lack of action, but it was dominant. Great win against a dangerous opponent. My personal thought was that he would get clipped early and finished. But he weathered the early barrage by Francis very well. I'm even more impressed with him as champ now than I was before that fight.

again, my questions were mainly about whether that strategy would be successful in other situations.

 

[Deleted member 391673]

Somethin tells me the topic starter prefers Worldstar fights

stop assuming, guy.

 

[The Moloko man]

It just blows my mind what people say they saw during this fight....I'm assuming they didn't really watch it and are talking out of their ass... or they are delusional

Stipe only started making ngannou carry his weight from the 4th round on

Herb warned them 3 times total to "work"...and that herb being more expedient than usual with a warning (obviously Dana has been in herbs ear about the fight just like mendes vs mac)

So to answer the question...it's easier for any fighter to do that when you've wore them down for three and a half rounds regardless of weight class with GNP , out skilling on the feet and taking them down half a dozen times as well as making them defend another half dozen takedown attempts...

The real question should be "how wasn't stipe more tired from the way he worked ngannou standing, on the ground and in transition

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Let's just be happy that the lay and pray days are pretty much over. There used to be a whole lot more of that shit!

 

[Sidecontrol87]

I love Stipe and he is a savage but I hate how he LNPs. Did it vs Hunt too